Big Red 40 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 I think hes using it as a tool also. He'll be able to convince lots of people that he did what he said he would, and single handedly "fixed" immigration", Like most of his claimed successes he really didn't do anything though. Once again he's Full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing. 1 Link to comment
Apathy Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 Not surprised....anything to spread a false narrative Link to comment
commando Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 40 minutes ago, Dewiz said: Not surprised....anything to spread a false narrative what is the false narrative? the picture of this little girl and her story may not be true....but the government separating families was a strategy employed by this administration to try to deter immigration. maybe a bad choice of pictures...but hardly a false narrative on the bigger story 5 Link to comment
Apathy Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 9 hours ago, commando said: what is the false narrative? the picture of this little girl and her story may not be true....but the government separating families was a strategy employed by this administration to try to deter immigration. maybe a bad choice of pictures...but hardly a false narrative on the bigger story Yes false narrative making it look like Trump was the ONLY president doing this. Obama did this very thing as well and there’s photos to prove that children under Obama’s watch were also separated from their families. Link to comment
funhusker Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 8 minutes ago, Dewiz said: Yes false narrative making it look like Trump was the ONLY president doing this. Obama did this very thing as well and there’s photos to prove that children under Obama’s watch were also separated from their families. Obama was trowing pebbles at his girlfriend's window to try and wake her up. Trump threw a brick through the front picture window. Yes, other Presidents have overseen children separated from the adults in cases of drug trafficking, possible child trafficking, or other situation when the child may be in immediate danger. Trump used those laws to accuse every single adult of a crime to be able to separate. Sessions and Trump didn't hide this fact. They were proud of it. Then when the Catholic church and about every other denomination on the globe calls it bad policy, even Donald said it was a shame. Trump himself agrees to "end it" with an Executive Order. He didn't change the law with this, he changed how his administration would enforce the law. If Obama was doing this the same as Trump, FoxNews and conservative media really missed the boat! Or maybe they actually don't care. 5 Link to comment
commando Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 47 minutes ago, Dewiz said: Yes false narrative making it look like Trump was the ONLY president doing this. Obama did this very thing as well and there’s photos to prove that children under Obama’s watch were also separated from their families. lol....but obama did it. typical whataboutism. if it was wrong for obama to do it it is also wrong for trump to do it....right? 2 Link to comment
commando Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 32 minutes ago, funhusker said: Obama was trowing pebbles at his girlfriend's window to try and wake her up. Trump threw a brick through the front picture window. Yes, other Presidents have overseen children separated from the adults in cases of drug trafficking, possible child trafficking, or other situation when the child may be in immediate danger. Trump used those laws to accuse every single adult of a crime to be able to separate. Sessions and Trump didn't hide this fact. They were proud of it. Then when the Catholic church and about every other denomination on the globe calls it bad policy, even Donald said it was a shame. Trump himself agrees to "end it" with an Executive Order. He didn't change the law with this, he changed how his administration would enforce the law. If Obama was doing this the same as Trump, FoxNews and conservative media really missed the boat! Or maybe they actually don't care. well stated. +1 to you. 1 Link to comment
Apathy Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 1 hour ago, commando said: lol....but obama did it. typical whataboutism. if it was wrong for obama to do it it is also wrong for trump to do it....right? Lol Link to comment
commando Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Dewiz said: Lol so both trump and obama were tough on immigration? Link to comment
RedDenver Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 3 hours ago, Dewiz said: Yes false narrative making it look like Trump was the ONLY president doing this. Obama did this very thing as well and there’s photos to prove that children under Obama’s watch were also separated from their families. So let's fact check that claim: https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/did-the-obama-administration-separate-families/ Quote In defending its “zero tolerance” border policy that has caused the separation of families, the Trump administration has argued that the Obama and Bush administrations did this too. That’s misleading. Experts say there were some separations under previous administrations, but no blanket policy to prosecute parents and, therefore, separate them from their children. “Bush and Obama did not have policies that resulted in the mass separation of parents and children like we’re seeing under the current administration,” Sarah Pierce, a policy analyst with the Migration Policy Institute, told us. ... MPI’s Pierce said that the likely reason data aren’t available on child separations under previous administrations is because it was done in “really limited circumstances” such as suspicion of trafficking or other fraud. “Previous administrations used family detention facilities, allowing the whole family to stay together while awaiting their deportation case in immigration court, or alternatives to detention, which required families to be tracked but released from custody to await their court date,” Brown and her co-author, Tim O’Shea, wrote in an explainer piece for the Bipartisan Policy Center’s website. “Some children may have been separated from the adults they entered with, in cases where the family relationship could not be established, child trafficking was suspected, or there were not sufficient family detention facilities available. … However, the zero-tolerance policy is the first time that a policy resulting in separation is being applied across the board.” So, no, neither W nor Obama did anything similar to what's happening under Trump. 2 Link to comment
Danny Bateman Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 7 hours ago, Dewiz said: Yes false narrative making it look like Trump was the ONLY president doing this. Obama did this very thing as well and there’s photos to prove that children under Obama’s watch were also separated from their families. So do you support his immigration policies or not? Link to comment
funhusker Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 57 minutes ago, Clifford Franklin said: So do you support his immigration policies or not? He apparently doesn't even know what they are.... 1 Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 My next question would have been, “yeah....but do you know where all the parents are”? Remember, they have already deported some of the parents without the kids. Total idiots. 1 Link to comment
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