bugeater17 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 22 minutes ago, commando said: only the big corporations get no taxes. heck...some of the biggest corps paid 0 taxes and got millions in refunds last year. us peons got a buck or 2 reduced from our taxes for a couple years. and now the deficit is spiraling upwards faster than a saturn rocket heading for the moon. but hey....it's all good and lol......planeloads of free money to iran. lol. you have absolutely no idea what that was about and you refuse to believe anything other than obama just giving it to them. it's ok. thats what the propaganda ministers want you to believe. You come with statements that "only the big corporations get no taxes" and " heck...some of the biggest corps paid 0 taxes and got millions in refunds last year" - and I'm the one listening to propaganda ministers - Yikes! 1 1 Link to comment
commando Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, bugeater17 said: You come with statements that "only the big corporations get no taxes" and " heck...some of the biggest corps paid 0 taxes and got millions in refunds last year" - and I'm the one listening to propaganda ministers - Yikes! http://fortune.com/2019/04/11/amazon-starbucks-corporate-tax-avoidance/ 1 Link to comment
bugeater17 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, commando said: http://fortune.com/2019/04/11/amazon-starbucks-corporate-tax-avoidance/ How much did they pay in sales tax? So your position they paid NO taxes is untenable. Also, your position in prior posts is completely undercut by the fact that tax reform under Trump removed many tax loopholes which lead to lower FEDERAL INCOME taxes due and larger deductions. If you run a company you would certainly understand the items that businesses can write-off have decreased dramatically. 1 1 Link to comment
commando Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, bugeater17 said: How much did they pay in sales tax? So your position they paid NO taxes is untenable. Also, your position in prior posts is completely undercut by the fact that tax reform under Trump removed many tax loopholes which lead to lower FEDERAL INCOME taxes due and larger deductions. If you run a company you would certainly understand the items that businesses can write-off have decreased dramatically. are you saying that i am wrong when i say spending is up and revenue is down? and the deficit isn't really growing at historic rates? 2 Link to comment
Ratt Mhule Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 4 hours ago, bugeater17 said: I'd like to hear that case. The Dems have no platform besides promising free stuff. Heres another guy who is all for corporate socialism and has no idea what hes talking about. 4 1 Link to comment
Danny Bateman Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 3 hours ago, bugeater17 said: I guess we could go back to giving money to Iran and Hezbollah with Biden. This is a bit far afield of the thread about immigration, but... You know Iran wasn't doing under Obama/Biden leadership? Allegedly attacking oil tankers and enriching uranium. Iran is the perfect example of how Trump's foreign policy sucks. They're now allegedly doing those things or planning to do them soon because we decided to go poke them in the eye. And what exactly did it get us? Link to comment
bugeater17 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Danny Bateman said: This is a bit far afield of the thread about immigration, but... You know Iran wasn't doing under Obama/Biden leadership? Allegedly attacking oil tankers and enriching uranium. Iran is the perfect example of how Trump's foreign policy sucks. They're now allegedly doing those things or planning to do them soon because we decided to go poke them in the eye. And what exactly did it get us? Why would Iran attack when they are receiving millions upon millions of dollars? Thats like saying when my kid misbehaves and I buy him more toys he is good, but when I spank him he continues to cry and throw a temper tantrum. Pretty simple concept. 1 1 Link to comment
bugeater17 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 59 minutes ago, Frott Scost said: Heres another guy who is all for corporate socialism and has no idea what hes talking about. Corporate socialism? Ha! And I’m the one who doesn’t know what I’m talking about. 1 1 Link to comment
commando Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 1 minute ago, bugeater17 said: Why would Iran attack when they are receiving millions upon millions of dollars? Thats like saying when my kid misbehaves and I buy him more toys he is good, but when I spank him he continues to cry and throw a temper tantrum. Pretty simple concept. do you know why we gave those $ to iran? Link to comment
Ratt Mhule Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 12 minutes ago, bugeater17 said: Corporate socialism? Ha! And I’m the one who doesn’t know what I’m talking about. Yup not a peep from you people when the banks and wall street got their bailouts. Or when farmers get their subsidies. Or when 70% of the benefits from the tax cuts went to the top 1%. But you all cry like little babies when someone talks about universal healthcare. 2 Link to comment
bugeater17 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 50 minutes ago, commando said: do you know why we gave those $ to iran? I do. Let me educate you, some related to frozen assets, some related to military payments and equipment, and the majority was interest on those assets. Only a poor negotiator would not only give up all of that leverage and pay handsome interest on top of it for a deal that merely delays the enrichment of uranium (with minimal checks and balances) and passes the real negotiation down the road to future administrations who will have minimal leverage because Obama gave it all away like a cheap hooker. 1 1 Link to comment
Danny Bateman Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 4 hours ago, bugeater17 said: I do. Let me educate you, some related to frozen assets, some related to military payments and equipment, and the majority was interest on those assets. Only a poor negotiator would not only give up all of that leverage and pay handsome interest on top of it for a deal that merely delays the enrichment of uranium (with minimal checks and balances) and passes the real negotiation down the road to future administrations who will have minimal leverage because Obama gave it all away like a cheap hooker. So I'm assuming from this blurb you obviously have your biases, but nonetheless... I could give two rips what we give Iran. We could give them a life-size diamond and jewel encrusted statue of Michael Bolton if it got them to act more responsibly. Obama's approach actually yielded results that the rest of the world agreed were working. Can you point to ANYTHING whatsoever that suggests Trump's approach has yielded such results? Or even not made the situation demonstrably worse? 3 1 Link to comment
commando Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 31 minutes ago, bugeater17 said: I do. Let me educate you, some related to frozen assets, some related to military payments and equipment, and the majority was interest on those assets. Only a poor negotiator would not only give up all of that leverage and pay handsome interest on top of it for a deal that merely delays the enrichment of uranium (with minimal checks and balances) and passes the real negotiation down the road to future administrations who will have minimal leverage because Obama gave it all away like a cheap hooker. http://fortune.com/2016/08/05/money-america-iran/ By 2015, the issue stood before a panel of nine judges, including three independent jurists, who were reportedly near a decision on binding arbitration. According to Obama administration officials, the U.S. was concerned that the tribunal would mandate an award in the multiple billions of dollars. “The Iranians wanted $10 billion,” says Sick.”I estimate that the tribunal would have awarded them $4 billion. That’s what the lawyers were saying. It’s not as much as they wanted, but a lot more than we paid.” So instead, the U.S. negotiators convinced Iran to move the dispute from arbitration to a private settlement. The two sides reached an agreement in mid-2015, at the same time as the U.S. and Iran reached a comprehensive pact on curtailing Iran’s development of nuclear weapons. The financial deal called for the U.S. to refund $1.7 billion to Tehran, consisting of the original $400 million contract for military equipment, plus $1.3 billion in interest. 1 Link to comment
bugeater17 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 25 minutes ago, Danny Bateman said: So I'm assuming from this blurb you obviously have your biases, but nonetheless... I could give two rips what we give Iran. We could give them a life-size diamond and jewel encrusted state of Michael Bolton if it got them to act more responsibly. Obama's approach actually yielded results that the rest of the world agreed were working. Can you point to ANYTHING whatsoever that suggests Trump's approach has yielded such results? Or even not made the situation demonstrably worse? It was not working. Money was and is still being funneled to Hezbollah. There were no viable intelligence that the activities of Iran were curtailed. All Obama did was put a band-aid on a wound that needs 50 stitches, wait for his time in office to run out, and pass the buck to future administrations. What was Obama’s plan for when the sunset provisions of the deal would run out? Seriously, Obama’s administration needs to answer this but the neither Obama nor Biden will have to face this question. 1 Link to comment
bugeater17 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 7 minutes ago, commando said: http://fortune.com/2016/08/05/money-america-iran/ Try pulling something off of google aside from a fortune article - but doesn’t that article support what I said? 1 Link to comment
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