ZRod Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said: People who wanted America run more like a business should have studied how Trump ran his businesses. It wasn't exactly a secret. He is who we thought he was. And we shouldn't let him off the hook. Link to comment
TheSker Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 19 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said: People who wanted America run more like a business should have studied how Trump ran his businesses. It wasn't exactly a secret. I think a number of those people understood after Romney's failed run that running America like a business was not a platform to winning. And it's not why Trump won. He's more reality television than he is businessman. 1 Link to comment
Guy Chamberlin Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 As someone else observed: Donald Trump is a poor man's idea of a rich man, and a weak man's idea of a strong man. 3 Link to comment
TheSker Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said: As someone else observed: Donald Trump is a poor man's idea of a rich man, and a weak man's idea of a strong man. Trump's personality and character were known before the election. Well before. Link to comment
NM11046 Posted March 8, 2018 Author Share Posted March 8, 2018 12 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said: As someone else observed: Donald Trump is a poor man's idea of a rich man, and a weak man's idea of a strong man. That needs to be your signature my friend. Very deep. And true. Link to comment
Guy Chamberlin Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 1 hour ago, TheSker said: Trump's personality and character were known before the election. Well before. Yeah. I know. That's the part I find so troubling. Although I think most people didn't bother to dig into his history as a businessman. They saw him as the billionaire who was going to make them all rich. Link to comment
Danny Bateman Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 So, two depressing trends gleaned from the last few posts that make me weep for the state of affairs in our country: 1. That we elected a reality television president in large part because we were entertained by him. 2. That a huge chunk of the voting public in America can't be bothered to look into Trump's facade even the least bit to ascertain he is a fraud & instead bought his "savvy businessman" persona hook, line & sinker. In Mueller news, this seems fairly significant. This type of stuff seems to be fitting a pattern, ya know? Link to comment
zoogs Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 ^On the reality TV note, thank you, Soledad O'Brien, for very prominently taking out the trash: "It's not accurate. It's not funny. It's not clever. It's not analysis. It's facile. It shows an actual lack of understanding of reality tv (can't believe I'm typing that). It's mediocre. It's a time when viewers need to understand what's going on at the highest levels of govt." I'm not a proponent of being a Russia hawk, but they have an obvious interest in interference in US affairs and they've found obviously very willing collaborators (for chrissake, Donald Trump made a public call to Russia asking them to hack his political opponent's emails! On the campaign trail!). This isn't an amusing state of affairs, and we deserve better than uninspired metaphors and a tune in next week to find out. Trump's desire for us to consume serious events as we do reality television is a scary thing that demands a serious response. 2 Link to comment
TheSker Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 3 hours ago, Guy Chamberlin said: Yeah. I know. That's the part I find so troubling. Although I think most people didn't bother to dig into his history as a businessman. They saw him as the billionaire who was going to make them all rich. I think voters more and more ask themselves the question, "what's in it for me?" I think Trump did a better job of answering that question in people's minds than Hillary. Whether it be the wealthy business owner in Florida, the third generation steel worker in Pennsylvania or the retired military veteran, Trump got the message to them that what was happening inside the Beltway from both parties was politics as usual with no action. That message hit home to a lot of people. The simple tag line of "you're fired" is something an increasing number of Americans could relate to in their thoughts of "career politicians". 2 Link to comment
ZRod Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 6 hours ago, TheSker said: I think voters more and more ask themselves the question, "what's in it for me?" I think Trump did a better job of answering that question in people's minds than Hillary. Whether it be the wealthy business owner in Florida, the third generation steel worker in Pennsylvania or the retired military veteran, Trump got the message to them that what was happening inside the Beltway from both parties was politics as usual with no action. That message hit home to a lot of people. The simple tag line of "you're fired" is something an increasing number of Americans could relate to in their thoughts of "career politicians". Exactly what's changed about politics as usual since he's been President? Link to comment
Danny Bateman Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 2 hours ago, ZRod said: Exactly what's changed about politics as usual since he's been President? 1. Way more nepotism, use of public office for personal gain. 3 Link to comment
Danny Bateman Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 For example, say what you want about him, but this type of crap didn't happen under Obama. Of course Trump paid lip service to his executive order about lobbying, but in reality his rules for regulating this are nonexistent. I'm sure plenty of people heard his soundbite, though. 1 Link to comment
TGHusker Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 This is a bit long but very informative read. Summary: Trump is in big do-do. Mueller and team have many avenues to pursue and Trump would have to be squeaky clean on all of them to survive. My money is on that he isn't clean (yes - a big leap of faith there I know ) and he won't last as president. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/03/07/what-we-believe-mueller-is-investigating/?utm_term=.78334b1459da Link to comment
Guy Chamberlin Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 9 hours ago, TheSker said: I think voters more and more ask themselves the question, "what's in it for me?" I think Trump did a better job of answering that question in people's minds than Hillary. Whether it be the wealthy business owner in Florida, the third generation steel worker in Pennsylvania or the retired military veteran, Trump got the message to them that what was happening inside the Beltway from both parties was politics as usual with no action. That message hit home to a lot of people. The simple tag line of "you're fired" is something an increasing number of Americans could relate to in their thoughts of "career politicians". This is generally how snake oil salesmen target rubes. The only irony being that Trump never really wanted the job because he never had the solution. Here was just there for the angry, cheering crowds. 1 Link to comment
TheSker Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 40 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said: This is generally how snake oil salesmen target rubes. The only irony being that Trump never really wanted the job because he never had the solution. Here was just there for the angry, cheering crowds. The message of your posts is that Trump is a jerk (to put it mildly using acceptable language). True. The thing is, Trump is actually doing some things. Whether these are good or bad is a different matter, but if a search is done listing accomplishments of Trump since he's been in office, the list is growing. And I realize poll numbers indicate his "popularity" is very low. But poll numbers also said he wouldn't be elected. Link to comment
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