RedDenver Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 3 hours ago, BigRedBuster said: This sounds more like damage-control and PR than a real fact-checked analysis as the fact-checker only got comments from the right-wing think tank that authored that report and not from the groups that showed the savings and were critical of parts of the report itself. (I guess the article has comments from some mayoral candidate, but why not from someone more knowledgeable?) And when healthcare industry lobbyists oppose Medicare-for-all, it's a strong bet that means it's bad for them and good for the public (from whom they make their profits): HEALTH CARE LOBBYISTS SECRETLY SECURE DEMOCRATS’ OPPOSITION TO “MEDICARE FOR ALL,” INTERNAL DOCUMENTS SHOW Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 I'm confused on this. Quote The study found that if hospitals and doctors were willing to accept Medicare-based payments of 40 percent less for patients who currently have private insurance, then projected U.S. health care spending would decline by about 3 percent from 2022 to 2031, or $2.05 trillion. That’s the number Sanders is celebrating. But the study also said if medical providers continue to be paid about the same as now, U.S. health care spending would increase by $3.25 trillion over 10 years under “Medicare for all.” It works out to about 5 percent more. That’s far different from Sanders’ assurance that his plan “will lead” to huge spending reductions. The study concludes it’s unlikely. “More generous health care insurance would be provided to everyone at the expense of health care providers,” it said. “Whether providers could sustain such losses and remain in operation, and how those who continue operations would adapt to such dramatic payment reductions, are critically important questions.” Reducing what we pay providers, hospitals and drug companies is a MAJOR reason why there is a push for this. Right now we pay WAY more than other countries for the same service or drug. That is unacceptable. 4 Link to comment
methodical Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 It's amazing how they are trying to FUD their own report. How can you out FUD the system they've built where people are afraid to see the doctor because nobody knows what the hell it'll end up costing them even with insurance, which we already pay out the nose for and the price keeps going up while coverage keeps going down. 1 Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 3 hours ago, commando said: That is a very confusing chart to understand. Link to comment
RedDenver Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 18 hours ago, BigRedBuster said: That is a very confusing chart to understand. It's complex but it's also showing a lot of data all together. The basic graph is showing the healthcare spending vs life expectancy for various countries. The difficult part is that it's also showing how that relationship changed over time from 1970 to 2015 for each country. So the dot on each country's path is 1970, and then you can follow the path to see how the relationship evolved through to 2015. Does that make sense? Link to comment
Moiraine Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 1 hour ago, BigRedBuster said: I know someone who has MS, is obese, and smokes. And she’s a gungho Trump supporter. She would not be able to afford any of her medicine if not for the ACA because no insurance company would touch her with a 10 foot pole. I really can’t understand how anyone in their right mind would put their own life and death beneath things like gun rights (that’s a big one for her) and immigration. 2 Link to comment
Danny Bateman Posted October 5, 2018 Author Share Posted October 5, 2018 We should probably not re-elect this moron, put him in charge of healthcare & expect good things. Link to comment
RedDenver Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 I mean, getting Mexico to pay for that wall worked so well, there's no way this would fail! 3 1 Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Interesting read. I'd be really interested to know how the links to prove his claims wrong got into the article. Oooooh.........that must be part of "the resistance". 3 Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Here's another article on the same subject. 1 Link to comment
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