teachercd Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 8 minutes ago, Dr. Strangelove said: This is not true. He won by ~20k votes spread around 3 states. Out of ~155 million votes cast. That's a margin of 0.00013%. Razor thin. The next election will be similar. In elections, voters vote for the same individuals as they did the last time, the vast majority of the time. Voter preference is extremely rigid and opinions don't change. What decides elections is which voters are motivated to turnout. Candidates lose not because minds change, but because their voters stay home. The individuals who do truly change their vote, and there are not many, are the least informed voters. They either have no idea that Trump has legal problems or they chalk it up to normal politics. These few voters vote based on their personal economic situations are doing in the 4 weeks leading up to election day. The election is going to be close enough that these individuals could decide the election. But their opinions aren't changeable because they don't really have any. It's going to matter what gas prices do or if they pay more for their most common purchases. I get what you are saying but you saying it both ways. 1. People don't change their minds 2. People do change their minds Which is it? Do people change their minds or don't they? How about we start with that simple question and then we can go from there. So we have from you that the vast majority do not change their mind and vote the same way they did the time before. Then you have that the few that do change their mind, are the ones that are stupid. But, Joe got more votes than any other president ever, which means millions of people "changed their mind" because Hillary did NOT get that many votes, not even close...so were those 20 million mind-changers, that voted for Joe, also stupid and uninformed? 2 1 Link to comment
teachercd Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Almost positive that Stranglove thinks was a documentary. 1 1 Link to comment
Lorewarn Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 1 hour ago, teachercd said: But, Joe got more votes than any other president ever, which means millions of people "changed their mind" because Hillary did NOT get that many votes, not even close...so were those 20 million mind-changers, that voted for Joe, also stupid and uninformed? It's not people changing their minds, it's people showing up. 1 2 Link to comment
teachercd Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 1 minute ago, Lorewarn said: It's not people changing their minds, it's people showing up. That is changing minds. Your mind is made up to not show and then you do...that is changing a mind. in 16 they had their mind made up to NOT vote, in 20 they changed their mind. 2 Link to comment
Lorewarn Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 11 minutes ago, teachercd said: That is changing minds. Your mind is made up to not show and then you do...that is changing a mind. in 16 they had their mind made up to NOT vote, in 20 they changed their mind. Since it seems that you understand the distinction it also seems abundantly clear what he's talking about vs what he's not talking about. 1 1 Link to comment
teachercd Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 2 minutes ago, Lorewarn said: Since it seems that you understand the distinction it also seems abundantly clear what he's talking about vs what he's not talking about. Of course I do! He is trying to be on both sides of the fence, which is fine but it doesn't work. You also totally know what he is talking about. We all do. It is easy to understand. He is not being sneaky or nefarious about it. 2 Link to comment
Mike Mcdee Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 1 hour ago, teachercd said: Of course I do! He is trying to be on both sides of the fence, which is fine but it doesn't work. You also totally know what he is talking about. We all do. It is easy to understand. He is not being sneaky or nefarious about it. From my understanding it's a math issue. There are very few voters who will vote the opposite from 2020. That would be a 2 vote swing. Minus for one candidate and plus one for the other. He just thinks it will be an issue of minus one vote cast by not voting at all. The candidate who wins will be the one who can get the "meh" voters out for them. The bases will show out on 11/5. Can you get the voters who will decide to come out if it's a nice day and the lines aren't too long? Link to comment
teachercd Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 1 minute ago, Mike Mcdee said: From my understanding it's a math issue. There are very few voters who will vote the opposite from 2020. That would be a 2 vote swing. Minus for one candidate and plus one for the other. He just thinks it will be an issue of minus one vote cast by not voting at all. The candidate who wins will be the one who can get the "meh" voters out for them. The bases will show out on 11/5. Can you get the voters who will decide to come out if it's a nice day and the lines aren't too long? I think (and have said over and over) that this is the case. No one here knows ONE NEW TRUMP VOTER. Not one. No one here knows one new "Not voting for JB this time" voter. That is on this site and in our personal lives. Yet...all this "JB is going to get crushed if the price of eggs goes up" talk. JB will get 10% less voters Trump (if it even ends up being him) will get 15% less voters It won't be close. 1 1 Link to comment
commando Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 the people who are voting for trump would vote for him if he shot someone on 5th avenue.....sooo 1 Link to comment
Scarlet Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Person, woman, man, camera, November 1 Link to comment
Scarlet Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 I'm not sure why MAGA.struggles with the word "indictment". They should be familiar with it by now. Link to comment
teachercd Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 10 hours ago, commando said: the people who are voting for trump would vote for him if he shot someone on 5th avenue.....sooo Yep and he has no new voters. 2 Link to comment
Scarlet Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Happy President's Day especially to James Buchanan who, according to Presidential scholars, is no longer the worst president in our history. Congrats sir. 1 1 Link to comment
TGHusker Posted February 20 Author Share Posted February 20 On 2/19/2024 at 9:39 AM, Scarlet said: Happy President's Day especially to James Buchanan who, according to Presidential scholars, is no longer the worst president in our history. Congrats sir. The rankings here: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24434298-presidential_greatness_white_paper_2024 Trump belongs at the bottom for sure. 1 Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 1 hour ago, TGHusker said: The rankings here: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24434298-presidential_greatness_white_paper_2024 Trump belongs at the bottom for sure. It's rather humorous watching MAGA so upset by this. They are so blind they can't see what the rest of the world sees. Link to comment
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