*** The CFB Playoff Misc bullsh#t Thread ***

[Saunders]

25 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

 

actually you are. 

 

Subjectively, the four best teams have been invited to the playoffs, where they've generally proven themselves on the field. 

 

We could always speculate what would have happened if an undervalued UCF, Utah, or TCU had gotten in, or if a two-loss Big 10 or Pac 10 team was better than a two-loss SEC team, but after watching the actual games, it's really, really hard to say any of the recent National Champions didn't deserve it. Meaning the invite wasn't "automatic" but as close to a subjective ranking of the best teams as we're likely to get. 

 

Does anyone have a glaring example of a team with the talent and scheme to knock off an Alabama, Clemson, or LSU that didn't make the cut? A team you would put your own money on? 

The biggest problem with the CFP,  it's a moving target week to week with the committee. So, like I said, I ain't wrong. It's easier to win when you're given more chances because the criteria is adjusted to ensure your participation.

[Cobra Kai]

5 minutes ago, Saunders said:

Yup. The playoff is here because 'Bama got in the BCS title game in 2011, after finishing 2nd in their division.

Were you b!^@hing like this when we played for a national championship after not winning our conference?

[BigRedBuster]

38 minutes ago, Cobra Kai said:

What is hilarious about this is the team you're referring to won the national championship.  But they didn't deserve to get in, right?  Weren't good enough.

So, the team that beat them in the conference had no chance to prove that they could do the same thing?  What about the other teams that had one loss?

[RedDenver]

21 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

Subjectively

That's the whole problem though - the admission criteria is vague and extremely subjective. The committee has even gone away from the original intent of only valuing the entire body of work and doing a ranking at the end vs just a weekly move up/down ranking system like the old polls. I don't watch the playoffs anymore because the whole thing is such a farce. If it's going to be arguing over vague interpretations of which teams should even be considered, thenI'd rather just go back to the old bowl system and arguing over the polls - it was more fun.

 

If the CFB playoffs are going to be anything other than a thinly veiled way for the top teams to get in, then the subjectivity needs to be minimized and admission to the tournament needs as much objectivity as possible. That's why I prefer the standard be conference champs as much as possible. I'd even be in favor of realigning the conferences so that there's 8 and only conference champs get in.

[gossamorharpy]

29 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

 

actually you are. 

 

Subjectively, the four best teams have been invited to the playoffs, where they've generally proven themselves on the field. 

 

We could always speculate what would have happened if an undervalued UCF, Utah, or TCU had gotten in, or if a two-loss Big 10 or Pac 10 team was better than a two-loss SEC team, but after watching the actual games, it's really, really hard to say any of the recent National Champions didn't deserve it. Meaning the invite wasn't "automatic" but as close to a subjective ranking of the best teams as we're likely to get. 

 

Does anyone have a glaring example of a team with the talent and scheme to knock off an Alabama, Clemson, or LSU that didn't make the cut? A team you would put your own money on? 

i mean 2017 auburn took out bama, and their only losses on the year before the bowl game was to clemson (14-6), lsu (27-23) and georgia in the sec title game... yet bama made the playoff and ended up winning the title...  pretty egregious a team couldnt even earn the right to win their conference yet wins the natty

[Guy Chamberlin]

28 minutes ago, Saunders said:

Imagine if MLB or NFL always put the Yankees or Patriots in because on paper they're the "best" team.

 

 

Imagine if an 11-5-NFL team or a 96 game winning MLB team missed the playoff because they play in a tougher division, and had to watch a .500 team play in their place because they won a weak division. 

 

You don't really have to imagine that because that happens all the time. The Washington Football team made the playoffs at 7-9 last year. Adding wild card games a few years ago really helped, and that's essentially what will happen with an expanded NCAA format, but it hardly ended the arguments. Fwiw...the years the Yankees and Patriots didn't make the playoffs, they weren't good enough on paper either. No matter how much a league or a television network prefers a team, the team still needs to earn its way in.

 

Also, it's getting kinda weird to suggest these Alabama and Clemson teams weren't among the "best" teams in the country at the time they were invited, or by the time they beat the other "best" teams. 

[Cobra Kai]

1 minute ago, BigRedBuster said:

So, the team that beat them in the conference had no chance to prove that they could do the same thing?  What about the other teams that had one loss?

What about them?  They didn't get it.  Right or wrong.  When the rules change more teams will have a chance...right now, it's 4.  So it's Alabama, Clemson and 2 others.

 

Not saying it's right or wrong, I am saying that is the way it is.

[Saunders]

3 minutes ago, Cobra Kai said:

Were you b!^@hing like this when we played for a national championship after not winning our conference?

We didn't deserve to get in, I knew we'd get crushed. So, yes.

[BigRedBuster]

1 minute ago, Cobra Kai said:

Not saying it's right or wrong, I am saying that is the way it is.

You have too been saying it’s right. 

[Cobra Kai]

1 minute ago, Saunders said:

We didn't deserve to get in, I knew we'd get crushed. So, yes.

At that point, in 2001 our benefit of the doubt was over.  Still waiting on Alabama's and clemsons.  It will happen, not yet.

[RedDenver]

4 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

Imagine if an 11-5-NFL team or a 96 game winning MLB team missed the playoff because they play in a tougher division, and had to watch a .500 team play in their place because they won a weak division. 

 

You don't really have to imagine that because that happens all the time.

And that happened because a committee selected the .500 team over the 11-5 team?

[Cobra Kai]

1 minute ago, BigRedBuster said:

You have too been saying it’s right. 

 

I have never said it's right.  I have said that Alabama and Clemson the two best teams until proven otherwise.  So it's those two and two others in a 4 team playoff.  

 

Does it suck for another school that didn't get in?  Yeah.  Did it suck for UCF?  Uh huh.  Did the committee make the right decision based on "best teams", yes.  Without a doubt.  

[Saunders]

 

6 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

Imagine if an 11-5-NFL team or a 96 game winning MLB team missed the playoff because they play in a tougher division, and had to watch a .500 team play in their place because they won a weak division. 

The better example is if an 12-4 NFL divisional winner didn't get in the playoffs so that a 12-4 divisional runner up can go instead because they won it last year.

1 minute ago, Cobra Kai said:

 

I have never said it's right.  I have said that Alabama and Clemson the two best teams until proven otherwise.  So it's those two and two others in a 4 team playoff.  

 

Does it suck for another school that didn't get in?  Yeah.  Did it suck for UCF?  Uh huh.  Did the committee make the right decision based on "best teams", yes.  Without a doubt.  

The term"best" is subjective when you're not on equal terms.

[knapplc]

10 minutes ago, Cobra Kai said:

Were you b!^@hing like this when we played for a national championship after not winning our conference?

 

Wasn't everyone? No one thought we deserved to be in that game. It was universally panned as a terrible decision, throughout the country and here in Nebraska. 

[BigRedBuster]

2 minutes ago, Cobra Kai said:

 

I have never said it's right.  I have said that Alabama and Clemson the two best teams until proven otherwise.  So it's those two and two others in a 4 team playoff.  

 

Does it suck for another school that didn't get in?  Yeah.  Did it suck for UCF?  Uh huh.  Did the committee make the right decision based on "best teams", yes.  Without a doubt.  

You just contradicted yourself.