Husker816 Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 9 hours ago, Archy1221 said: OU doesn’t generally get many KC kids, they do well in Wichita though. I don’t expect him to be OU bound. Where do you think he ends up? Quote Link to comment
Mavric Posted March 5, 2023 Author Share Posted March 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Husker816 said: Where do you think he ends up? The NFL 1 1 Quote Link to comment
Mavric Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 Player: Williams Nwaneri Hometown: Lees Summit, Missouri School: Lee's Summit North Position: Edge Height: 6-5 Weight: 245 Power 5 Offers: Arkansas, Illinois, Iowa, Iowa State, Kansas, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, Oregon, Vanderbilt Visits: 1/29/22 - Junior Day; 3/24/23 Twitter 247 Composite: #8 Overall; #1 DL; .9954; On3 Consensus: #9 Overall; #1 DL; 97.94; Rivals: #20 Overall; #3 SDE; 247: #3 Overall; #1 DL; On3: #2 Overall; #1 DL; ESPN: #30 Overall; #7 DE; Hudl 1 Quote Link to comment
Archy1221 Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 12 minutes ago, Mavric said: Would be absolutely amazing to get a game changing QB and a game changing DL in the same recruiting class 1 Quote Link to comment
Red Five Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 5* DL > 5* QB. Change my mind. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment
Archy1221 Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 19 minutes ago, Red Five said: 5* DL > 5* QB. Change my mind. QB is a most important position in sports therefore more important than DL therefore the #1 rated QB is more valuable than the #1 rated DL. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment
Mavric Posted March 22, 2023 Author Share Posted March 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Red Five said: 5* DL > 5* QB. Change my mind. I'm not going to try to change your mind. We've definitely been lacking pass rushers for some time. I would probably phrase it a bit differently. QB is the most important spot so on a strict choice between the two I'd still go QB - they have the ball in their hands every play. But if you frame it as the difference between a 5* QB and what we would have instead compared to a 5* DE and what we would have instead, I do think the difference would be greater at DE. Unfortunately I'm not all that hopeful of landing Nwaneri. 2 2 Quote Link to comment
Dr. Strangelove Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Archy1221 said: QB is a most important position in sports therefore more important than DL therefore the #1 rated QB is more valuable than the #1 rated DL. Agreed, high level QB play is what propelled otherwise mediocre teams like TCU or Michigan State into the College Football Playoff. Of course it takes a complete team to compete once you make it to that level, but elite QB play can elevate a team to a very high level. Quote Link to comment
Archy1221 Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 13 minutes ago, Dr. Strangelove said: Agreed, high level QB play is what propelled otherwise mediocre teams like TCU or Michigan State into the College Football Playoff. Of course it takes a complete team to compete once you make it to that level, but elite QB play can elevate a team to a very high level. Absolutely, a QB can’t get there on his own, but he elevates a teams chances more than any other position 1 1 Quote Link to comment
Red Five Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Red Five said: 5* DL > 5* QB. Change my mind. A lot of my logic is based basically on "hit rate". 5* DL have better chance of being drafted than a 5* QB. 74% of 5* DL recruits between 2010-14 were ultimately drafted, compared to only 50% of QBs. 5* QBs transfer A LOT. I don't have the stats on DL, but 63% of 5* QBs between 2010-2018 have transferred at least once. And that was before the free transfer/portal era. I find it hard to believe that DL are that high. Here is everyone on the 1st and 2nd NFL All Pro teams this past season (from the AP and PFWA) listed at Edge, DE, or DT and their 247C recruiting rankings: 5* - Nick Bosa, Myles Garrett, Michal Parsons, Chris Jones, Jeffrey Simmons, Dexter Lawrence 4* - Quinnen WIlliams 3* - Aaron Donald 0* - Haason Reddick 48 minutes ago, Dr. Strangelove said: Agreed, high level QB play is what propelled otherwise mediocre teams like TCU or Michigan State into the College Football Playoff. Funny that neither of your examples were due to 5* QBs (and honestly, I still am not sure how that MSU team made it. Connor Cook didn't exactly light the world on fire that year. I guess they can thank Tim Beck for forgetting he had Ezekiel Elliot). I think that you can design a damn good offense around a good 3* or 4* QB, a lot of that comes down to scheme, an OL, and the athletes around him (I think our offenses around each Martinez were pretty good IMO, Taylor more so than Adrian). And good college QBs can come out of nowhere (what we saw from Max Duggan and Hendon Hooker last year is an example of that). 1 Quote Link to comment
Decked Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 3 hours ago, Red Five said: 5* DL > 5* QB. Change my mind. Why not both 1 2 Quote Link to comment
MyBloodIsRed16 Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 2 hours ago, Red Five said: A lot of my logic is based basically on "hit rate". 5* DL have better chance of being drafted than a 5* QB. 74% of 5* DL recruits between 2010-14 were ultimately drafted, compared to only 50% of QBs. 5* QBs transfer A LOT. I don't have the stats on DL, but 63% of 5* QBs between 2010-2018 have transferred at least once. And that was before the free transfer/portal era. I find it hard to believe that DL are that high. Here is everyone on the 1st and 2nd NFL All Pro teams this past season (from the AP and PFWA) listed at Edge, DE, or DT and their 247C recruiting rankings: 5* - Nick Bosa, Myles Garrett, Michal Parsons, Chris Jones, Jeffrey Simmons, Dexter Lawrence 4* - Quinnen WIlliams 3* - Aaron Donald 0* - Haason Reddick Funny that neither of your examples were due to 5* QBs (and honestly, I still am not sure how that MSU team made it. Connor Cook didn't exactly light the world on fire that year. I guess they can thank Tim Beck for forgetting he had Ezekiel Elliot). I think that you can design a damn good offense around a good 3* or 4* QB, a lot of that comes down to scheme, an OL, and the athletes around him (I think our offenses around each Martinez were pretty good IMO, Taylor more so than Adrian). And good college QBs can come out of nowhere (what we saw from Max Duggan and Hendon Hooker last year is an example of that). Much easier to stand out on defense even if those around you aren't that great. A good line can make an average RB look really good. Really good WR can make an average QB look much better. Bad Oline and bad WRs can make a really good QB look bad 1 Quote Link to comment
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