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Posted 14 June 2017 - 05:29 PM

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/875116130490355718


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Posted 14 June 2017 - 05:34 PM

Holy schizzle.  His personal lawyer is not going to know what hit him.  He's so unprepared and unqualified for this level of investigation.


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Posted 14 June 2017 - 05:43 PM

https://twitter.com/KatyTurNBC/status/875126628799610880


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Posted 14 June 2017 - 05:47 PM

I wonder if he's feeling completely and totally vindicated with this news?


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Posted 14 June 2017 - 06:02 PM

A) Trump constantly feels vindicated.

B) I don't think he much cares if things are actually going well or poorly for him. If the FBI isn't being sufficiently pliant to his will, he will simply try to crush them. (Are these even FBI leaks?...)

If Trump can take a sledgehammer to public faith in institutions that don't support him, he'll come out of this okay. The blueprint for this is already out there; don't think he won't bring those institutions to heel given enough time. Most of all don't think he's not trying.

It's scary how much eroding public trust in institutions is the wet dream of American adversaries. Now they have a President actively working for those interests, bringing them further along than they ever thought possible -- all to save his own skin.
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Posted 15 June 2017 - 10:37 AM

http://www.thedailyb...this-to-himself

 

Trump is his worse enemy.  He doesn't understand the world of govt and his 'instincts' are totally off base.  He reacts impulsively and makes it difficult for his staff to game plan etc.  He is a one man show in an environment that requires team work - wtin the WH, with Congress, wt States, and foreign diplomats and leaders.   Even if  all of his policies were good and correct, he is the wrong personality to lead the implementation of those policies. 

 

 

Trump reportedly floated the possibility of firing Mueller as a way to prod him toward exonerating the president and other Trump associatesparty to the investigation.The New York Timesreported on Tuesday that aides dissuaded him from doing so.

For Ali Soufan, a retired FBI counterterrorism agent, word that Trump is now a target of Mueller’s inquiry explains the trial balloon.

“No wonder President Trump and his surrogates are getting nervous. This explains their sudden attacks on Mueller and the threats to fire him,” Soufan told The Daily Beast.

White House officials are still insisting to the president that he should leave Mueller in his post. “We are all advising him not to [get rid of] Mueller. That has not changed,” one Trump aide told The Daily Beast. “It would be an absolute nuclear explosion if he did.”

Firing Mueller would also put the president in greater legal jeopardy than he already may be in, said former United States attorneyBarbara McQuade.

“If Trump were to fire Mueller and it could be shown that his purpose was to impede the investigation, it could be additional evidence of obstruction of justice,” McQuade, who was appointed by President Obama, told The Daily Beast.

 

Asked what the internal game plan should be, one senior Trump administration official replied, “Keep him away from Twitter, dear God, keep him away from Twitter.”

“The president did this to himself,” the official added.

That sentiment reflects a general internal frustration with Trump’s tendency to shoot from the hip in tweets and public statements that are rarely vetted by his legal team and often undercut White House messaging on major issues.

A second senior administration official pointed to Trump’s role in propagating the rumor that he might fire Mueller—according to the Times, he felt the prospect of being sacked might convince Mueller to resolve the investigation in Trump’s favor—and suggested that the leak to the Poston Wednesday might have been an unintended consequence of that move.

“Whoever leaked [news of the obstruction investigation] was obviously reading that he was thinking about giving Mueller the boot,” the official said. Trump “shot himself in the foot again with this cockamamie scheme to get Mueller to play ball.”


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Posted 15 June 2017 - 10:56 AM

according to the Times, he felt the prospect of being sacked might convince Mueller to resolve the investigation in Trump’s favor...

Trump “shot himself in the foot again with this cockamamie scheme to get Mueller to play ball.”


The ones who don't bend to his will are the ones we hear about. This absurdly antidemocratic, Putin-esque behavior should be hugely disqualifying.

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Posted 15 June 2017 - 10:57 AM

For the love of God someone record this stuff. It's not hard.
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Posted 15 June 2017 - 11:05 AM

For the love of God someone record this stuff. It's not hard.

Hopefully there are republicans that are collecting data like this, waiting for the right opportunity to be rid of trump and put Pence in that seat. I'm not sure what they are waiting for, though.

Not that I am a Pence fan, but the crazy train has to end at some point
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Posted 15 June 2017 - 11:37 AM

 

For the love of God someone record this stuff. It's not hard.

Hopefully there are republicans that are collecting data like this, waiting for the right opportunity to be rid of trump and put Pence in that seat. I'm not sure what they are waiting for, though.

Not that I am a Pence fan, but the crazy train has to end at some point

 

I'm in agreement. I know there are many who don't like Pence's policies but at least he will act in a more measured and sane way. He understands what it takes to get things done in DC - you have to work wt Congress and not treat it and everyone else as servants.


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Posted 15 June 2017 - 11:49 AM

Pence will be better in some ways and worse than others.

He will be better in that he'll be less likely start a war and would halt the deterioration of our relationships with our allies.

He will he worse in that he'd be more capable of passing Republican policies.
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Posted 15 June 2017 - 12:16 PM

I still think that Pence will be gone too.


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Posted 15 June 2017 - 12:19 PM

That would be shocking. More shocking to me than a scenario where we all somehow end up okay with everything. Which I hope we can avoid.
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Posted 15 June 2017 - 12:20 PM

That would be shocking. More shocking to me than a scenario where we all somehow end up okay with everything. Which I hope we can avoid.

 

I mean, it seems like he's not clean in the Flynn stuff. It's just a question if you can prove it. 


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Posted 15 June 2017 - 12:22 PM

I still think that Pence will be gone too.

That would be a shocker big time.  And you base it on :dunno


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Posted 15 June 2017 - 12:34 PM

Pence will be better in some ways and worse than others.

He will be better in that he'll be less likely start a war and would halt the deterioration of our relationships with our allies.

He will he worse in that he'd be more capable of passing Republican policies.

 

Choosing the lesser of two evils seems to have been a theme for the past year.  I wonder if there are any non-evil candidates that the corporate-sponsored system would allow us to vote for?


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Posted 15 June 2017 - 12:48 PM

 

I still think that Pence will be gone too.

That would be a shocker big time.  And you base it on :dunno

 

Just gut feeling.  If the campaign was colluding with Russia, I don't see how he could have not known.

 

It's a little bit like I know a lady who embezzled a bunch of money from her work over several years.  She went to prison and her husband claimed he didn't know she was doing it.  Meh.....that's hard to believe. 


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Posted 15 June 2017 - 02:08 PM

 

 

I still think that Pence will be gone too.

That would be a shocker big time.  And you base it on :dunno

 

Just gut feeling.  If the campaign was colluding with Russia, I don't see how he could have not known.

 

It's a little bit like I know a lady who embezzled a bunch of money from her work over several years.  She went to prison and her husband claimed he didn't know she was doing it.  Meh.....that's hard to believe. 

 

She was very good at stretching their dollar!!


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Posted 15 June 2017 - 03:07 PM

I still think that Pence will be gone too.

I think like you think.  And I think Mike's starting to gear up for something ...

 

https://twitter.com/costareports/status/875459286670782464


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Posted 15 June 2017 - 03:16 PM

I still think that Pence will be gone too.

I think like you think.  And I think Mike's starting to gear up for something ...
 
https://twitter.com/costareports/status/875459286670782464

I'm not Pence fan, but getting counsel is just smart for everyone involved. If Trump ends up resigning/removed, then Pence will have a cloud over him unless he's also investigated and shown to have little to nothing to do with the acts or the cover up.
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Posted 15 June 2017 - 05:53 PM

Pence has lied about the Flynn dismissal and what he knew. Multiple times. Just like he lied from the debate stage. About what he knew about Flynn, about what Flynn talked about in his meeting, and about why Comey was fired. Or maybe he's just incompetent. He was the head of the transition team for crying out loud. Why WOULDN'T he know that stuff about Flynn?! Either eventuality doesn't cast a good light on him.

 

Pence has always struck me as someone who doesn't have clear eyes about the situation around him. He'd like to pretend he's just a typical Republican VP in a typical, squeaky clean Republican administration, and it just isn't so. The way he so carelessly skips headlong out of reach of reality has always really bugged me.

 

It is rather funny to watch him try to deliver Trump's talking points emphatically on TV in such a serious way only to watch Trump later chuck him under the bus under everyone else when he completely flips the official line on its head.

 

And yeah, he might have some of that stink of Russia on him, too. Unless he's just compartmentalized himself throughout all of this, plugged his ears and hid in his safe space as much as possible to avoid incriminating himself.

 

Pence is just another brand of awful. But he's not Trump. Hopefully he'll get his chance to govern soon, because that would mean Trump is gone. I'd give him a shot, but literally everything I know about him tells me he'd pass an extremely exclusive socially conservative agenda that only caters to Christians and old white folks who watch Fox News exclusively.

 

The onus would be on the rest of us opposed to that to then rise up again and say that that isn't acceptable, either.


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Posted 16 June 2017 - 07:02 AM

http://www.politico....-feature-215257

 

Extensive article about Pence  - worth the read to get a better understanding of him. 


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Posted 16 June 2017 - 10:07 AM

http://www.politico....-feature-215257

 

Extensive article about Pence  - worth the read to get a better understanding of him. 

Interesting read, but definite pro-Pence bias. 


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Posted 19 June 2017 - 08:44 PM

Things just keep getting worse for Mike Flynn.

 

https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/876984676300279810


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Posted Yesterday, 09:37 AM

POTUS won't even admit this is a thing. He continues to say it's a witch hunt and a story Dems made up for losing. Meanwhile, in reality, the details of how extensively Russia attacked our election continue to get worse.

 

https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/status/877911781523324928


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