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Mavric    9,719

Well, a partner is mandatory, preferably from this part of the country. And that means either Texas or Kansas (both of which are AAU members, by the way). Either would fulfill the Big Ten's apparent requirements of new markets. Either, with OU, would provide an easy divisional break, with the Sooners and either Texas or KU joining Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois and Northwestern. And OU in a Big Ten West would help balance what is clearly an inequity, with the Big Ten East currently a far-superior football division.

 

A friend in the business has been telling me for years that OU and Texas appeal to the Big Ten and its networks, because they would more easily provide night games late in the season. I don't know. Seems like networks tell football teams when to play regardless of 20-degree November nights. But maybe that's a factor.

 

Going into the Big Ten with Kansas would cause the Sooners immediate problems. They would be given a nine-game conference schedule and be left with two traditional nonconference opponents in OSU and Texas.

 

No way would the Sooners want to end their Dallas tradition with Texas, and no way could the Sooners end Bedlam. Getting the legislature to sign off on a move to the Big Ten would be difficult enough, much less if it came with the demise of Bedlam.

 

Going into the Big Ten with Texas would cause less stress.

 

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84HuskerLaw    517

I can't see any logical reason for why the Big Ten would want either UT or OU. They will want schools with mediocre football programs and not national powers. The Big Ten has plenty of football power already. They will look for programs and schools that raise academic standing and BB and other sports. Not football. Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin and Nebraska would all vote NO. Nebraska gets a vote I believe in July of this year.

 

I could see Notre Dame as they 'fit' academically and geographically and historically. Notre Dame has a big name but not so much football power (much like Nebraska had - we brought national reputation without a great immediate team to threaten the 'haves' of the big ten. The Big Ten is now 'thee' numbero uno league and doesn't need more football power. The Big Ten would give OU and especially Texas national legitimacy and with their huge recruiting advantage, they would be a real threat to the Buckeyes, etall.

 

I could see perhaps an east coast program such as North Carolina being a great fit. Strong academics and BB powerhouse. Football not so much. NC is a growing, prosperous state too. Not so much of a recruiting threat as well. VT would be another good one. KU is also a possibility with academic and BB status but no football threat at all. They fit geographically better too.

 

I am also not all that sure that OU or UT would want to join the Big Ten.

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Coach Power'T    1,327

Why can't they?

 

Clemson plays South Carolina in the final week.

 

Georgia plays Georgia Tech.

 

Why couldn't Oklahoma play Ok State in the final week being non conference opponents?

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huKSer    1,352

Why can't they?

 

Clemson plays South Carolina in the final week.

 

Georgia plays Georgia Tech.

 

Why couldn't Oklahoma play Ok State in the final week being non conference opponents?

Its about playing Okie Lite AND UTerus - leaving only one patsy non-con game

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nic    38

No way Cincy gets in. I have been hoping for a Kansas/OU defection so we can go to Four 4-team pods in football ever since we hit the awkward 14 number. Send Purdue or Indiana to the East Pod. Not sure if we would take OU, but since ND is not in the AAU and we would take them, I assume OU's football tradition would trump AAU membership.

 

West Pod:

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NU

OU

Kansas

Iowa

 

This would be nice. NU would play those three teams every year. OU/Okie St and Kansas/KSU would end up like the Iowa/Iowa St series. NU/OU would have to be Thanksgiving weekend.

Hey if this happens can we eject Rutgers and pick up Virginia, Pitt or maybe Syracuse?

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jaws    331

IMO add Kansas to the West, Cincinatti to the East

 

Ohio State would not allow Cincinnati in the B1G. I don't think they would have a problem with ND, Kansas, Oklahoma, and/or Texas.

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This is the last place I'd expect to find any question about who NU would be playing on Tday weekend.

 

Why can't they?

 

Clemson plays South Carolina in the final week.

 

Georgia plays Georgia Tech.

 

Why couldn't Oklahoma play Ok State in the final week being non conference opponents?

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nic    38

 

This is the last place I'd expect to find any question about who NU would be playing on Tday weekend.

 

Why can't they?

 

Clemson plays South Carolina in the final week.

 

Georgia plays Georgia Tech.

 

Why couldn't Oklahoma play Ok State in the final week being non conference opponents?

 

I thought that was odd too.

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VectorVictor    1,769

I can't see any logical reason for why the Big Ten would want either UT or OU. They will want schools with mediocre football programs and not national powers. The Big Ten has plenty of football power already. They will look for programs and schools that raise academic standing and BB and other sports. Not football. Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin and Nebraska would all vote NO. Nebraska gets a vote I believe in July of this year.

 

I could see Notre Dame as they 'fit' academically and geographically and historically. Notre Dame has a big name but not so much football power (much like Nebraska had - we brought national reputation without a great immediate team to threaten the 'haves' of the big ten. The Big Ten is now 'thee' numbero uno league and doesn't need more football power. The Big Ten would give OU and especially Texas national legitimacy and with their huge recruiting advantage, they would be a real threat to the Buckeyes, etall.

 

I could see perhaps an east coast program such as North Carolina being a great fit. Strong academics and BB powerhouse. Football not so much. NC is a growing, prosperous state too. Not so much of a recruiting threat as well. VT would be another good one. KU is also a possibility with academic and BB status but no football threat at all. They fit geographically better too.

 

I am also not all that sure that OU or UT would want to join the Big Ten.

 

Jesus H. Christ...no...just no. :facepalm:

 

 

Per the Omaha World-Herald, we already know via a current Big XII AD that was directly involved (read: KS or OU) that the B1G has already vetted Oklahoma, as the original deal for the B1G was to pick up Nebraska, Oklahoma, Mizzery, Kansas, and aTm in a five-team deal back in 2010. That deal went to s*** because aTm got greedy with the amount of money they were getting from TV rights and scuttled the deal.

 

This illustrates that the following are incorrect assessments with your post:

  • The B1G does want Oklahoma and is willing to take them
  • Oklahoma (and Kansas) have already been vetted by the B1G, so they passed the proverbial smell test, among other things
  • Oklahoma was willing to go to the B1G.

Additionally, Boren has gone on record multiple times as wanting to improve Oklahoma's academic cache and Olympic sports--something that Trammel (Oklahoma's local media mouthpiece) has reiterated. That won't happen unless Oklahoma moves to either the Pac-12 or the B1G--a move to the SEC would do the opposite. The only problem with this is that T. Boones (Farms) Pickens owns the Oklahoma Legislature, and a move by Oklahoma to another conference would require leaving Okie Lite behind (and thus rendering all of T. Boones Farms Pickens' investments into Okie Lite moot, to a degree).

 

The question isn't if Oklahoma would want to go to the B1G (the people that make decisions do), or if the B1G will have them (the B1G has already tried to get them before): the questions to ask are:

 

  • How will Oklahoma escape their state legislature, which is ignorant and bought off by an Okie Lite booster 'of substance' (to borrow a $ Bill Byrne status)?
  • Who will Oklahoma's moving buddy be?
    • Kansas
      • They have already shown a willingness to jump ship twice: once to the B1G in the five-team deal, and again to the now-defunct Big East.
      • Kansas isn't beholden to the State Legislature or Kansas State/Wichita State in their decision to move
      • Kansas is a basketball blue-blood, and Delaney wants to improve the cache of B1G Basketball
      • Kansas technically has been to a top-tier bowl more recently than us (sad but true)
    • Texass
      • They pair well with Oklahoma, and it takes care of a lingering concern re: their rivalry game and OOC scheduling
      • ESPN is not doing well fiscally, some in part due to the crapfest of a channel called Longwhorn Network, so they may be willing to negotiate paying more for B1G rights when adding OU and UT to get out from the Longwhorn Network contract.
      • Texas does bring eyeballs and ratings, probably because people like to watch them fail. :dunno

North Carolina is locked off by the GOR that the ACC has in place, unfortunately. Oklahoma, Kansas, and Texass have resisted extending the current Big XII GOR, which I believe is up about the same time the new B1G contracts are up (2021 IIRC).

 

Personally I'd prefer to see Kansas and Oklahoma, but I get it if the B1G wants to bring Texass on board. If anything, having Oklahoma, Texass, Wisconsin, and Nebraska in the B1G West would make it a rather formidable conference and put it on par with the B1G East.

 

But to reject Oklahoma out of hand and say the B1G doesn't want them (or vice versa) is ignoring what has been going on for years.

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nic    38

Too bad we didn't get those other 4 teams along with NU. We could have skipped Mayland and Rutgers. :)

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VectorVictor    1,769

Too bad we didn't get those other 4 teams along with NU. We could have skipped Mayland and Rutgers. :)

 

Yes and no. Maryalnd and Rutgers, while not anything sexy, have done their job--they helped get the BTN into New York and the Baltimore/DC areas,which will result in bigger payouts for the conference. Plus, Maryland is good at a few sports (Baseball, Basketball).

 

Would the five-team deal have been better? Not necessarily--Rutgers or Maryland are decidedly better for the whole of the conference than Mizzery. And as for getting Texass eyeballs...that will be done by getting Oklahoma (at least the DFW market--the SEC has Houston, for all intents and purposes). Yes, Texass is decidedly better than Kansas...but I'd suggest that the B1G doesn't need Texass' viewers any longer thanks to getting their hooks in the NYC/DC/Baltimore markets. So if Texass does join, it will be on the B1G's terms, and not the other way around, which should help with potential drama.

 

And if Texass balks and Kansas goes instead? Well, they'll provide half of what Mizzery was going to bring, but with a decidedly better basketball pedigree and a significantly better national following.

 

Either way, we win, and we honestly probably end up further ahead than had the five team deal went through to begin with.

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NUinID    656

if they are going to go to 16 teams than I think OU and Kansas are great picks. The TV sets that will get picked up will be very solid. Were are talking all of Kansas and basically northern Missouri and OU will take in Oklahoma and the DFW area lots of alums living in those areas.

 

I have no desire to see NU go back to the Big 12, but it would be nice to see a couple of old time Big 8 schools join the B1G.

 

I get thre draw of Texas at its market share, but Texas will want to dictate what is going on, they will never want to be just one of the guys.

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nic    38

I have been a BigTen fan for decades. I would love to see an OU -KU addition. Don't really want or care about Texas. Still hate the addition of Rutgers despite the TV sets. Maryland I tolerate. I read an article today from the Uconn blog.

 

http://www.theuconnblog.com/2017/5/13/15634424/notre-dame-join-acc-netwo...

 

It says ND is in talks to join the ACC in football. I will believe it when I see it, and since this is from Uconn, it is probably just wishful thinking since the ACC would need a 16th team and UCONN wants in. If this were to happen, I wonder if WVU would be a possible target. If the Big 12 loses a team, it might just spur on a KU/OU defection.

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VectorVictor    1,769

I have been a BigTen fan for decades. I would love to see an OU -KU addition. Don't really want or care about Texas. Still hate the addition of Rutgers despite the TV sets. Maryland I tolerate. I read an article today from the Uconn blog.

 

http://www.theuconnblog.com/2017/5/13/15634424/notre-dame-join-acc-netwo...

 

It says ND is in talks to join the ACC in football. I will believe it when I see it, and since this is from Uconn, it is probably just wishful thinking since the ACC would need a 16th team and UCONN wants in. If this were to happen, I wonder if WVU would be a possible target. If the Big 12 loses a team, it might just spur on a KU/OU defection.

 

West Virginia would be more attractive, but unless the Big XII is dissolved, they're out of reach until the GOR expires (2021 or so).

 

Still, if 2021 rolls around and we're seeing Oklahoma and X joining the B1G (X being either Kansas or Texass), and the ACC is still needing a moving buddy for Notre Dame, West Virginia would at least be on the short list, if not at the top of it.

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nic    38

If I have good info, the Big 12 GOR expires in 2025. The Big Ten media deal ends in 2022. I would say that is close enough to announce a move by OU/KU to be in the Big Ten for the 2023-24 season. :lol:

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VectorVictor    1,769

If I have good info, the Big 12 GOR expires in 2025. The Big Ten media deal ends in 2022. I would say that is close enough to announce a move by OU/KU to be in the Big Ten for the 2023-24 season. :lol:

 

You're correct. The Big XII GOR expires in 2025, and our deal in 2021-2022, which is more than close enough to work out a deal, especially since the Big XII can't get the votes necessary to extend the GOR.

 

Plus, if things become completely untenable, Oklahoma and X could negotiate an amicable early release from their GOR with the Big XII

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Redux    5,374

If I have good info, the Big 12 GOR expires in 2025. The Big Ten media deal ends in 2022. I would say that is close enough to announce a move by OU/KU to be in the Big Ten for the 2023-24 season. :lol:

The GOR dissolves if the conference breaks up. So if a massive move of half the teams West happens for example, the GOR will die with the conference.

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VectorVictor    1,769

 

If I have good info, the Big 12 GOR expires in 2025. The Big Ten media deal ends in 2022. I would say that is close enough to announce a move by OU/KU to be in the Big Ten for the 2023-24 season. :lol:

The GOR dissolves if the conference breaks up. So if a massive move of half the teams West happens for example, the GOR will die with the conference.

 

 

Which is very unlikely considering the media exposure and payout problems the PAC-12 has with their deal. Not impossible...just unlikely.

 

Plus, keeping the Big XII conference (and by extension, the GOR) alive is the only way the smaller schools can potentially stick it to the schools that do leave for greener pastures.

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nic    38

New article on ESPN related to this discussion.

 

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/19743196/why-2023-next-big-date-conference-shuffling

 

"Why 2023? It starts with expiring TV contracts. The ACC and SEC both have long-term media grant-of-rights agreements, running through 2035-36 and 2033-34, respectively. But the other three Power 5 conferences have agreements ending roughly around the same time (the SEC's Tier 1 deal with CBS runs through 2023-24). The Big Ten last summer opted for a shorter agreement with Fox and ESPN, which runs through 2022-23. The Pac-12 deal expires after the 2023-24 sports year, and the Big 12's ends the following year."

 

The article noted that the PAC12 may be struggling......

 

"The Pac-12's forecast, meanwhile, is less encouraging, and its revenue gap with other Power 5 leagues will widen before the next rights negotiation. Cal's athletic department lost $21.7 million in the 2016 fiscal year. Although the Pac-12's geography and tradition suggests members won't be looking to leave, something needs to shift before 2023."

 

Brings back that notion of the Big Ten and PAC-12 scheduling agreement that they backed out of a few years ago which helped push the BIg10 into picking up Maryland and Rutgers.

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Husker2019    413

Pac 12 officially lost all hope of getting Texas and OU with the new discriminatory state travel ban in California

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huKSer    1,352

Pac 12 officially lost all hope of getting Texas and OU with the new discriminatory state travel ban in California

Que?

 

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nic    38

 

Pac 12 officially lost all hope of getting Texas and OU with the new discriminatory state travel ban in California

Que?

 

what-you-talkin-bout-will.jpg

 

Google California travel ban

 

Here is one article. Added 4 more states, one was Texas. I don't really know the details. I saw a headline but figured it was symbolic.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/23/us/california-travel-ban/index.html

 

"Kansas, Mississippi, North Carolina, and Tennessee were the original states banned by AB 1887, but Becerra added Alabama, Kentucky, South Dakota and Texas on Thursday"

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Michiganball    174

Personally from the football perspective I've always preferred Oklahoma, Texas, Kansas vs "available" ACC teams, just never seen that certain spark and popularity in ACC that you see with those Big12 teams. Also have a soft spot for Oki lite because of the man in my gif, but thats a damn long shot. Of course Texas , Oklahoma and Kansas would be a huge score, not only by taking B1G from the Atlantic to the Gulf creating the largest continuous conference coverage in the country but of course with the major $$$ increase. I would not be surprise bar any general rights revenue collapse B1G payouts topping 65+ mill per team.

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nic    38

I noticed that Michigan has Texas or Oklahoma scheduled for the 2024 through 2027 seasons. Maybe by then they will be conference games. :-)

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VectorVictor    1,769

Pac 12 officially lost all hope of getting Texas and OU with the new discriminatory state travel ban in California

 

I wouldn't say that--there's always the hope that a slightly more sane Texas Legislature comes to their senses and overrides this stupidity.

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Nebfanatic    835

 

 

Pac 12 officially lost all hope of getting Texas and OU with the new discriminatory state travel ban in California

I wouldn't say that--there's always the hope that a slightly more sane Texas Legislature comes to their senses and overrides this stupidity.

*California. This isn't a Texas law

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VectorVictor    1,769

 

 

Pac 12 officially lost all hope of getting Texas and OU with the new discriminatory state travel ban in California

I wouldn't say that--there's always the hope that a slightly more sane Texas Legislature comes to their senses and overrides this stupidity.

*California. This isn't a Texas law

 

 

No, Texas. California's travel ban is in response to the asinine Trans Bathroom bill that was passed in Texas. Once Texas rescinds or otherwise nullifies the bill, California will open travel back up to Texas.

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Nebfanatic    835

 

 

 

 

Pac 12 officially lost all hope of getting Texas and OU with the new discriminatory state travel ban in California

I wouldn't say that--there's always the hope that a slightly more sane Texas Legislature comes to their senses and overrides this stupidity.

*California. This isn't a Texas law

No, Texas. California's travel ban is in response to the asinine Trans Bathroom bill that was passed in Texas. Once Texas rescinds or otherwise nullifies the bill, California will open travel back up to Texas.

yep you are right. My bad!

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nic    38

However, this post is about OU and not politics. I wish we would just get expansion over with and grab KU/OU for the 2019 season. I would love the schedule and matchups, and getting to play NU every other year. Waiting 4 years is too long!

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desertshox    236

However, this post is about OU and not politics. I wish we would just get expansion over with and grab KU/OU for the 2019 season. I would love the schedule and matchups, and getting to play NU every other year. Waiting 4 years is too long!

I still say if you are going to take a kansas school that doesnt have a football program take the one with the better basketball team down in wichita.

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Nebfanatic    835

 

However, this post is about OU and not politics. I wish we would just get expansion over with and grab KU/OU for the 2019 season. I would love the schedule and matchups, and getting to play NU every other year. Waiting 4 years is too long!

I still say if you are going to take a kansas school that doesnt have a football program take the one with the better basketball team down in wichita.
in what bizarre world does Wichita St. have a better basketball program than KU? Surely not this one.

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desertshox    236

 

 

However, this post is about OU and not politics. I wish we would just get expansion over with and grab KU/OU for the 2019 season. I would love the schedule and matchups, and getting to play NU every other year. Waiting 4 years is too long!

I still say if you are going to take a kansas school that doesnt have a football program take the one with the better basketball team down in wichita.
in what bizarre world does Wichita St. have a better basketball program than KU? Surely not this one.

Read my handle carefully. Then you'll understand.

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VectorVictor    1,769

However, this post is about OU and not politics. I wish we would just get expansion over with and grab KU/OU for the 2019 season. I would love the schedule and matchups, and getting to play NU every other year. Waiting 4 years is too long!

 

Incorrect. Conference expansion involves politics--at the AD level, the school level, and the state government level, should any of this come to fruition.

 

 

 

However, this post is about OU and not politics. I wish we would just get expansion over with and grab KU/OU for the 2019 season. I would love the schedule and matchups, and getting to play NU every other year. Waiting 4 years is too long!

I still say if you are going to take a kansas school that doesnt have a football program take the one with the better basketball team down in wichita.

 

 

And I still feel the need to remind folks that we don't have that much room to talk considering the Kansas football program, no matter how fleeting their competence, has been to a (formerly BCS) signifigant bowl more recently than we have. Plus their basketball program gets eyeballs from around the country, especially folks that aren't fans of the program, but are fans of collegiate basketball.

 

When people say 'Kansas Basketball', they know immediately what you're discussing. When you say 'Wichita State Basketball', you are more likely to receive a puzzled, constipated look, or at best, an 'ah ha!' look with a subsequent 'I think I've seem them during March Madness once'.

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VectorVictor    1,769

 

 

 

 

Pac 12 officially lost all hope of getting Texas and OU with the new discriminatory state travel ban in California

I wouldn't say that--there's always the hope that a slightly more sane Texas Legislature comes to their senses and overrides this stupidity.

*California. This isn't a Texas law

No, Texas. California's travel ban is in response to the asinine Trans Bathroom bill that was passed in Texas. Once Texas rescinds or otherwise nullifies the bill, California will open travel back up to Texas.

yep you are right. My bad!

 

 

It's all good. :) Don't sweat it.

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VectorVictor    1,769

Does nobody understand that desertshox is a wichita state fan?

 

Yes, it's pretty obvious from his comments and handle, I thought. :dunno

 

I just don't think there's a universe where Wichita State is selected over Kansas to join the B1G. Strike that...there is a universe where this would happen, but only if a certain tragedy didn't befall the football program. :(

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84HuskerLaw    517

What motivations would OU have for moving to the Big Ten?

1 Convenient proximity for fans to travel to games? LOL

2 Dramatic gains in recruiting? Doubtful, at best.

3 Joinder with their comrades in the academic and "northern" sports such as hockey, etc? LOL

4. Long term traditional rivalries with all those other 'lost' teams like Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Purdue, etc etc. Nebraska, yes, but that's it.

5 National football prestige and fame? Perhaps, modestly, but OU already is a national program with plenty of 'power' already. Not much room to go up for them really.

6 Joining a better league? (Yes, but the SEC is the natural, geographic fit with recruiting advantages presumably as many southern state recruits are much closer.

7 A natural yearning by their fan base to play a bunch of lousy weather games the last half of the season in the great lakes region vs the "Dixie" states, etc.

8 Rekindling their long lost friendship and afinity with Nebraska? The OU vs. NU 'rivalry was always much bigger for Nebraska than OU. OU v. Texas is their 'BIG" one. Has been for many decades.

9 The Big Ten swap for the Big 12 would present a dramatic upgrade in competition and make winning those championships that much harder. OU has not been nearly as dominant in recent years so it would seem

'ify' thinking to want to schedule an even tougher gauntlet at this time. OU is still a top 10 level program but as Switzer always liked to say: "You don't win the national championship, you schedule it!"

10 The Big Ten is looking for academic 'elites' and much more than a football program to add to their membership. OU as part of a package a few years ago when it would really grow the conference which was then flagging and trying not to be the 4th or even 5th 'best' conference is much different than now.

 

I would enjoy playing OU - if and when NU gets back to being a top ten program - but scheduling another Ohio State/Michigan level team would make our chances of getting back in the national title picture even harder.

 

If the Big Ten keeps adding top level football programs, there is great risk that it's champion will be a 2 loss type team, and find their champion on the outside looking in when it comes to playing for the national title, unless the Pac 12, SEC, Big Ten and one more league can finally pull away from the rest of the Div 1s and form a new 'elite' NCAA level.

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nic    38

 

However, this post is about OU and not politics. I wish we would just get expansion over with and grab KU/OU for the 2019 season. I would love the schedule and matchups, and getting to play NU every other year. Waiting 4 years is too long!

 

Incorrect. Conference expansion involves politics--at the AD level, the school level, and the state government level, should any of this come to fruition.

 

 

 

However, this post is about OU and not politics. I wish we would just get expansion over with and grab KU/OU for the 2019 season. I would love the schedule and matchups, and getting to play NU every other year. Waiting 4 years is too long!

 

I still say if you are going to take a kansas school that doesnt have a football program take the one with the better basketball team down in wichita.

And I still feel the need to remind folks that we don't have that much room to talk considering the Kansas football program, no matter how fleeting their competence, has been to a (formerly BCS) signifigant bowl more recently than we have. Plus their basketball program gets eyeballs from around the country, especially folks that aren't fans of the program, but are fans of collegiate basketball.

 

When people say 'Kansas Basketball', they know immediately what you're discussing. When you say 'Wichita State Basketball', you are more likely to receive a puzzled, constipated look, or at best, an 'ah ha!' look with a subsequent 'I think I've seem them during March Madness once'.

I was just shifting the topic back to OU versus what bathroom to use. But you probably knew that. :-)

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nic    38

What motivations would OU have for moving to the Big Ten?

1 Convenient proximity for fans to travel to games? LOL

2 Dramatic gains in recruiting? Doubtful, at best.

3 Joinder with their comrades in the academic and "northern" sports such as hockey, etc? LOL

4. Long term traditional rivalries with all those other 'lost' teams like Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Purdue, etc etc. Nebraska, yes, but that's it.

5 National football prestige and fame? Perhaps, modestly, but OU already is a national program with plenty of 'power' already. Not much room to go up for them really.

6 Joining a better league? (Yes, but the SEC is the natural, geographic fit with recruiting advantages presumably as many southern state recruits are much closer.

7 A natural yearning by their fan base to play a bunch of lousy weather games the last half of the season in the great lakes region vs the "Dixie" states, etc.

8 Rekindling their long lost friendship and afinity with Nebraska? The OU vs. NU 'rivalry was always much bigger for Nebraska than OU. OU v. Texas is their 'BIG" one. Has been for many decades.

9 The Big Ten swap for the Big 12 would present a dramatic upgrade in competition and make winning those championships that much harder. OU has not been nearly as dominant in recent years so it would seem

'ify' thinking to want to schedule an even tougher gauntlet at this time. OU is still a top 10 level program but as Switzer always liked to say: "You don't win the national championship, you schedule it!"

10 The Big Ten is looking for academic 'elites' and much more than a football program to add to their membership. OU as part of a package a few years ago when it would really grow the conference which was then flagging and trying not to be the 4th or even 5th 'best' conference is much different than now.

 

I would enjoy playing OU - if and when NU gets back to being a top ten program - but scheduling another Ohio State/Michigan level team would make our chances of getting back in the national title picture even harder.

 

If the Big Ten keeps adding top level football programs, there is great risk that it's champion will be a 2 loss type team, and find their champion on the outside looking in when it comes to playing for the national title, unless the Pac 12, SEC, Big Ten and one more league can finally pull away from the rest of the Div 1s and form a new 'elite' NCAA level.

 

The real value is in the academic prestige and the Big Ten Alliance, formerly the CIC. The profs, pres. and board would drool over that. Plus lots of research money.

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What motivations would OU have for moving to the Big Ten?

1 Convenient proximity for fans to travel to games? LOL

2 Dramatic gains in recruiting? Doubtful, at best.

3 Joinder with their comrades in the academic and "northern" sports such as hockey, etc? LOL

4. Long term traditional rivalries with all those other 'lost' teams like Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Purdue, etc etc. Nebraska, yes, but that's it.

5 National football prestige and fame? Perhaps, modestly, but OU already is a national program with plenty of 'power' already. Not much room to go up for them really.

6 Joining a better league? (Yes, but the SEC is the natural, geographic fit with recruiting advantages presumably as many southern state recruits are much closer.

7 A natural yearning by their fan base to play a bunch of lousy weather games the last half of the season in the great lakes region vs the "Dixie" states, etc.

8 Rekindling their long lost friendship and afinity with Nebraska? The OU vs. NU 'rivalry was always much bigger for Nebraska than OU. OU v. Texas is their 'BIG" one. Has been for many decades.

9 The Big Ten swap for the Big 12 would present a dramatic upgrade in competition and make winning those championships that much harder. OU has not been nearly as dominant in recent years so it would seem

'ify' thinking to want to schedule an even tougher gauntlet at this time. OU is still a top 10 level program but as Switzer always liked to say: "You don't win the national championship, you schedule it!"

10 The Big Ten is looking for academic 'elites' and much more than a football program to add to their membership. OU as part of a package a few years ago when it would really grow the conference which was then flagging and trying not to be the 4th or even 5th 'best' conference is much different than now.

 

I would enjoy playing OU - if and when NU gets back to being a top ten program - but scheduling another Ohio State/Michigan level team would make our chances of getting back in the national title picture even harder.

 

If the Big Ten keeps adding top level football programs, there is great risk that it's champion will be a 2 loss type team, and find their champion on the outside looking in when it comes to playing for the national title, unless the Pac 12, SEC, Big Ten and one more league can finally pull away from the rest of the Div 1s and form a new 'elite' NCAA level.

 

1. The Big XII has teams in West Virginia and was considering expansion teams in Tennessee and Florida, among others. Butts in seats, while great, isn't driving this bus--viewership on TV is, and the fans will travel (as Nebraska fans have shown). Plus moving with Kansas or Texass would provide at least three away destinations that are close: Austin/Lawrence, Lincoln, and Iowa City.

 

2. National exposure on television for every single game is better recruiting exposure and upside to the cobbled-together, ineffective Big XII TV deal they have currently. And they can sell that they have their own TV network--kids, especially they ones they're already going after in North Texas and Oklahoma, would continue to bite.

 

3. This is a red herring at best, as Nebraska doesn't have any "northern" sports like Hockey or Lacrosse either, yet we've been accepted and have done just fine. Plus the level of competition in Olympic sports (e.g. Volleyball, Wrestling, Gymnastics) is much better and gets more publicity (via BTN) than in the Big XII.

 

4. Oklahoma's only games they're worried about are Texass and Okie Lite--they've gone on record as such back in 2010 when this all was going down to begin with. If Texass moves to the B1G with Oklahoma, then this is a moot point, and they'd only have to worry about scheduling Okie Lite as a non-conference game. The only trouble with scheduling is if Kansas is their moving buddy, as this means that Oklahoma would have to either schedule Texass and Okie Lite as non-con games, or drop one (or both) because of the three non-con limit.

 

Additionally, the older, level-headed, non-meth-addled Oklahoma fans miss the Nebraska rivalry. Rekindling that, plus being able to have a mix of Michigan, Ohio State, or Penn State, plus Wisconsin every year would dry any tears shed over scheduling woes.

 

5. How many times do you have to be told--this isn't *JUST* about athletics, this is also about academics. Barry Trammel has even said as such multiple times, including running fluff pieces on B1G academics, how Nebraska has improved academically since we joined the B1G, and ruminating that similar gains could be made at OU.

 

If you continue to render yourself willfully ignorant to this, then you're never going to understand.

 

6. Again, this has been said multiple times over, the Oklahoma fans, in their myopic, finite wisdom, want the SEC. But the leadership wants the B1G, because they see the big picture, whereas the fans see the flash of the SEC, but don't realize that outside of athletics, the SEC would impact the university negatively.

 

7. This is where you're running out of gas because you're just regurgitating your first point but with more hyperbole. See point 1 that already addresses this.

 

8. More regurgitation. See point 4.

 

9. Again, this is more a "big picture" discussion that goes with points 1 and 4. The era of being able to "schedule" championships is over. Now that they are playoffs (and that they will potentially expand as they become more popular), teams have to face the proverbial music against quality opponents on a regular basis, not just a one-off that you have 30+ days to prepare for. It is necessary to play quality opponents and build a resume in order to be discussed for the playoffs--that's something that cannot be done in the Big XII currently, and short of some talent supernova, won't likely happen for some time.

 

This subject has been covered ad nauseaum by sports media this season already--see all the articles that point out that the Big XII will be left out of the discussion if another team doesn't step up to match Oklahoma. Adding the title game won't help if no other team can close the gap with Oklahoma--in fact, it may hurt.

 

10. This is a partial regurgitation of point 5. The B1G is looking for academic partners, yes, but AAU membership isn't a requirement (see Notre Dame, Nebraska). Plus, Oklahoma's President has gone on record multiple times about how he wants to improve Oklahoma's academic cache, not unlike how Nebraska has improved theirs.

 

And even though it's unnumbered--the reason there's a selection committee is for the very reason you described--so a two-loss team that has played a tough schedule isn't overlooked in favor of a one-loss or zero-loss team that's played a cupcake schedule (e.g. Oklahoma) in comparison. Oklahoma sees this, and frankly, they'd have to deal with this regardless of where they move (SEC or B1G).

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