LNCBorn Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 Mangino does seem to be the best choice of the names I hear. RR will not consider dropping to OC at this point unless its a move to NFL. Peck might bring to the table nothing more than Watson and that would be a waste. If he called the plays in the bowl game then definitly not. There has to be better options out there, NO? Quote Link to comment
3rd and long Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 Isn't Rodgriguez a zone-read guy? If so, I vote no. I'm seen enough zone-read this year to last a lifetime. Quote Link to comment
Hercules Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 Isn't Rodgriguez a zone-read guy? If so, I vote no. I'm seen enough zone-read this year to last a lifetime. Better not watch the national championship game, then. You'll see it a lot no matter which offense is on the field. Quote Link to comment
Hercules Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 This would be a perfect fit for where we want to go with our offense, but I think RichRod will get picked up somewhere as a head coach. His time at Michigan wasn't that bad. 1-11 vs. ranked teams you can have him. I will drive him to the airport myself. Then we'll take him. Keep in mind he would be the OC. He won't go near our stellar defense. How many games did Michigan's porous defense lose the team this year? No Richard - we wouldn't. Read from the know - not with what you agree with. "Read from the know?" I would definitely take Rodriguez as OC. Even getting crushed today, his offense still scored twice as many points as we did in our bowl game. Quote Link to comment
HuskerNMO Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 People have a love affair with Mangino for basically 1 year, yes, KU's offense was 2nd in 2007 in scoring, but they did that playing an awful schedule. Here's the ranks of scoring D's KU faced in 2007 111th 75th in FCS 116th 115th 86th 112th 78th 49th 114th 79th 93rd 37th 3rd Avg- 83rd with the FBS schools (I didn't factor in the FCS school) They averaged 43 PPG that year, but against top 100 defenses they were held to 2 TD's less per game, and the top 50 defenses they faced held them 20 points under their average. They just got a magical schedule that year. NCAA online stats go back to 2001, here's Mangino's offenses 01- 27th (OU) 02- 96th 03- 36th 04- 76th 05- 83rd 06- 29th 07- 2nd 08- 22nd 09- 42nd Average- 46th Watson's 01- 23rd 02- 51st 03- 63rd 04- 81st 05- 78th 07- 28th 08- 18th 09- 75th 10- 28th (pre bowl game) Average 49th So explain to me again why Mangino is a mastermind and Watson is an idiot? Literally other than 1 year where Mangino had a magic schedule, he was equal to Watson. What exactly has Mangino proved as an assistant? He inherited a Mike Leach designed offense in 2000 and got a NC, but that offense got worse as the season went on, his last 4 games that year he averaged 19.75 PPG, very Watson like in "big games" when it counted, he only led the 2000 offense to 12 against an unranked Oklahoma State team in the Bedlam game. In 2001 his offense fell to 27th, which while good, was plagued by offenses that couldn't score when the big games came, scoring only 10 points vs NU, 13 against unranked OSU and 10 against Arkansas in the Cotton Bowl. Not to mention his off the field issues with weight, and significant anger issues that have plauged him in the high school ranks, as a father at his son's high school games, on campus with the campus security at KU, and on the practice field with his own players. Mark Mangino is an average coach, and significantly below average as a human being. No thanks. If he was so great, and his former boss Bob Stoops had an opening for OC, why didn't he hire Mangino back? 2 Quote Link to comment
nhuskers5 Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 We had a player go to KU to play in Mangino's final year, said the guy was a giant douche. He was nice when he recruited him and all that, but after the first mistake he made, Mangino told him he would "send him back to that fn hick town where you came from" if he messed up again Quote Link to comment
HuskerNMO Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 We had a player go to KU to play in Mangino's final year, said the guy was a giant douche. He was nice when he recruited him and all that, but after the first mistake he made, Mangino told him he would "send him back to that fn hick town where you came from" if he messed up again He also told a player who's brother had been shot and had been in the hospital that he was going to send him back to St. Louis to get shot with his homies. Quote Link to comment
BIGREDIOWAN Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 We had a player go to KU to play in Mangino's final year, said the guy was a giant douche. He was nice when he recruited him and all that, but after the first mistake he made, Mangino told him he would "send him back to that fn hick town where you came from" if he messed up again He also told a player who's brother had been shot and had been in the hospital that he was going to send him back to St. Louis to get shot with his homies. I would've punched him right in his face if he said that to me and then walked. Don't want the guy here regardless, but that's absolutely ridiculous if true. Quote Link to comment
NoLongerN Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 Jliehr, I enjoyed your post listing the rankings. Thanks for work on the post. I appreciate this line of argument, especially on a board full of opinion. I think a point to add to the discussion would be the quality of recruit we get verses Kansas. However, with our program the past 4-5 years we haunt had great recruits year in and out either. For me, I see the character issues as well for Mangino ... and I'm going to conclude as well that his weight is an expression of some deeper issues. I would think a guy like him would offer some grace to a mistake rather than berate the student/athlete. He's not for me ... but your argument substatiated the issue with some solid stats. SheepdogMark Quote Link to comment
huskerSoldier321 Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 Ah Mangino? We already have the Palini brothers (hot heads) I don't think we need anymore. At the sametime the O needs to be yelled at and fired up. Mangino is just a health risk though. He has to hold the title of the most obese coach. Quote Link to comment
insertclevername2 Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 Ok, so Mangino has some well known character flaws and Rich Rod would probably not want to revert back to a coordinator positon, who then comes to mind as a big improvement and is also available?? ......I heard Mike Leach didn't get the job at Maryland Quote Link to comment
MichiganMan Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 Isn't Rodgriguez a zone-read guy? If so, I vote no. I'm seen enough zone-read this year to last a lifetime. Quote Link to comment
suh_fan93 Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 the 14 pts against Miss State is very Watson like. I know MissSt has a good defense, so this just further proves the point. Anybody that wants RichRod is smoking some serious acid. Signed Tom Osborne being shutout in the 1991 Orange Bowl, only putting up 3 points in the 1988 Orange Bowl and averaging 11.8 PPG in bowls between 1988 and 1993. Exactly. Quote Link to comment
junior4949 Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 People have a love affair with Mangino for basically 1 year, yes, KU's offense was 2nd in 2007 in scoring, but they did that playing an awful schedule. Here's the ranks of scoring D's KU faced in 2007 111th 75th in FCS 116th 115th 86th 112th 78th 49th 114th 79th 93rd 37th 3rd Avg- 83rd with the FBS schools (I didn't factor in the FCS school) They averaged 43 PPG that year, but against top 100 defenses they were held to 2 TD's less per game, and the top 50 defenses they faced held them 20 points under their average. They just got a magical schedule that year. NCAA online stats go back to 2001, here's Mangino's offenses 01- 27th (OU) 02- 96th 03- 36th 04- 76th 05- 83rd 06- 29th 07- 2nd 08- 22nd 09- 42nd Average- 46th Watson's 01- 23rd 02- 51st 03- 63rd 04- 81st 05- 78th 07- 28th 08- 18th 09- 75th 10- 28th (pre bowl game) Average 49th So explain to me again why Mangino is a mastermind and Watson is an idiot? Literally other than 1 year where Mangino had a magic schedule, he was equal to Watson. What exactly has Mangino proved as an assistant? He inherited a Mike Leach designed offense in 2000 and got a NC, but that offense got worse as the season went on, his last 4 games that year he averaged 19.75 PPG, very Watson like in "big games" when it counted, he only led the 2000 offense to 12 against an unranked Oklahoma State team in the Bedlam game. In 2001 his offense fell to 27th, which while good, was plagued by offenses that couldn't score when the big games came, scoring only 10 points vs NU, 13 against unranked OSU and 10 against Arkansas in the Cotton Bowl. Not to mention his off the field issues with weight, and significant anger issues that have plauged him in the high school ranks, as a father at his son's high school games, on campus with the campus security at KU, and on the practice field with his own players. Mark Mangino is an average coach, and significantly below average as a human being. No thanks. If he was so great, and his former boss Bob Stoops had an opening for OC, why didn't he hire Mangino back? If we're going off the rankings and statistics, I want the guy that Texas just fired. He's Mangino in reverse. He was fired for one bad year when basically every other year Davis was money. Quote Link to comment
Ringer02 Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 People have a love affair with Mangino for basically 1 year, yes, KU's offense was 2nd in 2007 in scoring, but they did that playing an awful schedule. Here's the ranks of scoring D's KU faced in 2007 111th 75th in FCS 116th 115th 86th 112th 78th 49th 114th 79th 93rd 37th 3rd Avg- 83rd with the FBS schools (I didn't factor in the FCS school) They averaged 43 PPG that year, but against top 100 defenses they were held to 2 TD's less per game, and the top 50 defenses they faced held them 20 points under their average. They just got a magical schedule that year. NCAA online stats go back to 2001, here's Mangino's offenses 01- 27th (OU) 02- 96th 03- 36th 04- 76th 05- 83rd 06- 29th 07- 2nd 08- 22nd 09- 42nd Average- 46th Watson's 01- 23rd 02- 51st 03- 63rd 04- 81st 05- 78th 07- 28th 08- 18th 09- 75th 10- 28th (pre bowl game) Average 49th So explain to me again why Mangino is a mastermind and Watson is an idiot? Literally other than 1 year where Mangino had a magic schedule, he was equal to Watson. What exactly has Mangino proved as an assistant? He inherited a Mike Leach designed offense in 2000 and got a NC, but that offense got worse as the season went on, his last 4 games that year he averaged 19.75 PPG, very Watson like in "big games" when it counted, he only led the 2000 offense to 12 against an unranked Oklahoma State team in the Bedlam game. In 2001 his offense fell to 27th, which while good, was plagued by offenses that couldn't score when the big games came, scoring only 10 points vs NU, 13 against unranked OSU and 10 against Arkansas in the Cotton Bowl. Not to mention his off the field issues with weight, and significant anger issues that have plauged him in the high school ranks, as a father at his son's high school games, on campus with the campus security at KU, and on the practice field with his own players. Mark Mangino is an average coach, and significantly below average as a human being. No thanks. If he was so great, and his former boss Bob Stoops had an opening for OC, why didn't he hire Mangino back? If we're going off the rankings and statistics, I want the guy that Texas just fired. He's Mangino in reverse. He was fired for one bad year when basically every other year Davis was money. No the guy texas just fired was shawn watson, he's fine when he has amazing athletes but cannot adapt or make adjustments when he's forced to. Quote Link to comment
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