What is wrong with Christianity? And Christians?

[Scratchtown]

Religion has caused only a few wars, but its destructiveness manifests itself in other ways. It has influenced many many wars, driven persecution and massacre.

 

Such as, the Holocaust was entirely caused by religion. World War II was not.

 

Religion has been an extremely destructive force, costing us time, money, lives, productivity, you name it. There has been discrimination, persecution, people driven from their homelands, people outright killed in the name of religion. It can be enlightening at the personal level if you let it be that. But even people championing how great and peaceful and loving their religion is still exhibit clear discrimination against, say, homosexuals. And that's in a very peaceful part of a solid and mostly religiously homogeneous country.

 

Imagine if all of the time, resources, money, and power that have been given to religious institutions over the ages had gone into something productive like scientific research, funding poverty and hunger programs, or even just more work in general...society would be decades, centuries ahead. I'm sure it has enriched the lives of many, but how many enriched lives is worth the same as one life ended in the Holocaust for example? Ended in the 9/11 attacks?

 

I think that religion can be good in a vacuum, but humanity here on earth is not a vacuum.

There are plenty of non-religious people that discriminate against this too. I happen to know a few of them very close to me. Taking religion out of the world isn't going to stop discrimination against any one group.

[walksalone]

 

What assessment is off the mark?

 

 

 

 

 

 

But why is it that most wars are started over religion

 

 

 

Well done, you found a book, written by two guys, that manage to chronicle "every" conflict in the past 3000 years, and now you're patting yourself on the back because you went through every conflict in that time and managed to come up wtih 6.98%?

 

This doesn't change the fact that organized religion is one of the biggest threats to humanity.

 

If Christians, Muslims and the Jews wiped each other out, the world might not be such a bad place...

[WoodyHayes1951]

 

 

What assessment is off the mark?

 

 

 

But why is it that most wars are started over religion

 

 

Well done, you found a book, written by two guys, that manage to chronicle "every" conflict in the past 3000 years, and now you're patting yourself on the back because you went through every conflict in that time and managed to come up wtih 6.98%?

 

This doesn't change the fact that organized religion is one of the biggest threats to humanity.

 

If Christians, Muslims and the Jews wiped each other out, the world might not be such a bad place...

 

 

 

 

 

clown....

Capitalism is an Enlightenment and a Free-masonic ideal.

Communism is an Atheistic and materialistic ideal.

Hitler? neo-pagan

Napoleon? Freemason

Stalin? atheist

Lenin? atheist

Lazar Kaganovich who butchered 30 million Christian Ukrainians? atheist

Hell, most of the US's founders and those around the world who profited from the slave trade were Enlightenment thinkers and Freemasons.

 

Maybe if the Capitalists,Communists/Socialists and the enlightenment crowd would blow each other up the world could have done without the Slave Trade and the major wars of the past 3 centuries. Instead we have banks, corrupt governments and wars ruining peoples lives.

[walksalone]

 

 

 

What assessment is off the mark?

 

 

 

 

 

 

But why is it that most wars are started over religion

 

 

 

Well done, you found a book, written by two guys, that manage to chronicle "every" conflict in the past 3000 years, and now you're patting yourself on the back because you went through every conflict in that time and managed to come up wtih 6.98%?

 

This doesn't change the fact that organized religion is one of the biggest threats to humanity.

 

If Christians, Muslims and the Jews wiped each other out, the world might not be such a bad place...

 

 

 

 

clown....

 

Capitalism is an Enlightenment and a Free-masonic ideal.

 

Communism is an Atheistic and materialistic ideal.

 

Hitler? neo-pagan

Napoleon? Freemason

Stalin? atheist

Lenin? atheist

 

Lazar Kaganovich who butchered 30 million Christian Ukrainians? atheist

 

Hell, most of the US's founders and those around the world who profited from the slave trade were Enlightenment thinkers and Freemasons.

 

 

Maybe if the Capitalists,Communists/Socialists and the enlightenment crowd would blow each other up the world could have done without the Slave Trade and the major wars of the past 3 centuries. Instead we have banks, corrupt governments and wars ruining peoples lives.

 

 

 

 

[Landlord]

You're living in a dream world walks

[WoodyHayes1951]

You're living in a dream world walks

 

 

 

Fantasy land based on absolutely nothing substantial.

 

Usury is the cause of most of the world's problems today and as a whole, Christianity and Islam CONDEMN IT.

[walksalone]

You're living in a dream world walks

 

What dream world is that?

[tschu]

 

There are plenty of non-religious people that discriminate against this too. I happen to know a few of them very close to me. Taking religion out of the world isn't going to stop discrimination against any one group.

 

 

Of course not, and that's not what I'm saying.

[walksalone]

clown....

 

Capitalism is an Enlightenment and a Free-masonic ideal.

 

Communism is an Atheistic and materialistic ideal.

 

Hitler? neo-pagan

Napoleon? Freemason

Stalin? atheist

Lenin? atheist

 

Lazar Kaganovich who butchered 30 million Christian Ukrainians? atheist

 

Hell, most of the US's founders and those around the world who profited from the slave trade were Enlightenment thinkers and Freemasons.

 

Maybe if the Capitalists,Communists/Socialists and the enlightenment crowd would blow each other up the world could have done without the Slave Trade and the major wars of the past 3 centuries. Instead we have banks, corrupt governments and wars ruining peoples lives.

 

 

The 1950's called, they want their McCarthyism back...

[NUance]

clown....

 

Capitalism is an Enlightenment and a Free-masonic ideal.

 

Communism is an Atheistic and materialistic ideal.

 

Hitler? neo-pagan

Napoleon? Freemason

Stalin? atheist

Lenin? atheist

 

Lazar Kaganovich who butchered 30 million Christian Ukrainians? atheist

 

Hell, most of the US's founders and those around the world who profited from the slave trade were Enlightenment thinkers and Freemasons.

 

Maybe if the Capitalists,Communists/Socialists and the enlightenment crowd would blow each other up the world could have done without the Slave Trade and the major wars of the past 3 centuries. Instead we have banks, corrupt governments and wars ruining peoples lives.

 

I hadn't heard of Lazar Kaganovich before reading your post. Turns out, he's a pretty interesting character. And by interesting I mean incredibly evil. Holodomor, incompetence or pure evil? Probably a little of both. LINK

[WoodyHayes1951]

 

clown....

 

Capitalism is an Enlightenment and a Free-masonic ideal.

 

Communism is an Atheistic and materialistic ideal.

 

Hitler? neo-pagan

Napoleon? Freemason

Stalin? atheist

Lenin? atheist

 

Lazar Kaganovich who butchered 30 million Christian Ukrainians? atheist

 

Hell, most of the US's founders and those around the world who profited from the slave trade were Enlightenment thinkers and Freemasons.

 

Maybe if the Capitalists,Communists/Socialists and the enlightenment crowd would blow each other up the world could have done without the Slave Trade and the major wars of the past 3 centuries. Instead we have banks, corrupt governments and wars ruining peoples lives.

 

 

The 1950's called, they want their McCarthyism back...

 

 

 

^apparently someone needs to go back and read the definition of McCarthyism...

 

 

Of course McCarthy was right about Hollywood but that's another point.

[WoodyHayes1951]

 

clown....

 

Capitalism is an Enlightenment and a Free-masonic ideal.

 

Communism is an Atheistic and materialistic ideal.

 

Hitler? neo-pagan

Napoleon? Freemason

Stalin? atheist

Lenin? atheist

 

Lazar Kaganovich who butchered 30 million Christian Ukrainians? atheist

 

Hell, most of the US's founders and those around the world who profited from the slave trade were Enlightenment thinkers and Freemasons.

 

Maybe if the Capitalists,Communists/Socialists and the enlightenment crowd would blow each other up the world could have done without the Slave Trade and the major wars of the past 3 centuries. Instead we have banks, corrupt governments and wars ruining peoples lives.

 

I hadn't heard of Lazar Kaganovich before reading your post. Turns out, he's a pretty interesting character. And by interesting I mean incredibly evil. Holodomor, incompetence or pure evil? Probably a little of both. LINK

 

 

 

Honestly most people don't know about him or anyone else outside of Stalin when it comes to the U.S.S.R.

 

It's a shame because if we're keeping score(The loss of only ONE innocent life across the world is tragic) then many of these guys are ahead of Hitler on the 20th Century body count.

 

Must have been a truly terrible time to be a part of Eastern Europe at the time since you didn't know which Psycho was gonna take over your country

[Scratchtown]

 

 

There are plenty of non-religious people that discriminate against this too. I happen to know a few of them very close to me. Taking religion out of the world isn't going to stop discrimination against any one group.

 

 

Of course not, and that's not what I'm saying.

 

Ok, well please don't get my tone wrong when I ask you...

 

Why then, do you think that religion needs to "die"? You have said this in a previous topic (homosexuality topic) and condemned religion as bad in other topics.

[BigRedBuster]

Walksalone....

 

I have a couple questions for you because I'm seriously interested in this.

 

Obviously you love and cherish your heritage. I am glad you do as I would hope everyone embraces their heritage and where they came from.

 

You also obviously despise religion with a passion due to what some people did to your family under the guise of Christianity.

 

One thing (among many) that I have always found fascinating and noble about American indians is their spirituality and deep faith in their religion and what they believed were higher power spirits that affected their every day life.

 

Knowing that, do you despise that spirituality just as much as other's spirituality?

 

Also, some tribes were fairly non-violent while others were more violent. One in particular that was violent to both white people and other indian tribes were the Camanche. Now, I don't know what tribe your family came from, but, if it were the Camanche, should you be judged by other peaceful indians based on what your tribe did back then? If you are not Camanche and the Camanche or other violent tribe attacked your tribe and killed members of your family, do you hold the same animosity towards that tribe as you do the religions of white people who did horrible things to American indians?

[walksalone]

BRB...

 

If you have faith, or whatever gets you through the day, then f*ckin' a, drive on, enjoy your life and prosper.

 

When religion causes normal people to throw all common sense out the window, look down on you because you don't share the same beliefs, or force those beliefs upon you, then I take issue.

 

Most tribes I know of had no real organized religion. They had beliefs and rituals, such as the "sundance" which was outlawed on the reservation by religious and gov't officials, but no organized church. You believed in what you believed in and you were not judged based on that.

 

The Comanche were a violent tribe, but not nearly as violent as the Apache or my ancestors, the Lakota (aka Sioux). Peaceful Indians didn't look down upon us. In fact the less warlike tribe, the Cheyenne, aligned themselves with my ancestors for lack of a better word, protection. If the Lakota caught a trespasser (Indian or white) on their land, they would stake them to an ant pile, and pour "wojapI' (a dish made from berries) over their stomachs, and let the ants eat through them, and leave the corpse staked out to send a message.

 

I still hold animosity toward the Pawnee, who were our bitter rivals. I got punch by a kid in high school who was Pawnee, when he found out I was Lakota. But our battles weren't over religion, they were about resources (horses, hunting grounds).