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My reply to that is that the defenders were blocked away from Robinson who caught the TD. No one was trying to get to Robinson.

The dbs grabbed on and locked up their receivers in press coverage and could have been flagged themselves for holding. Here's the best Irish side of the argument.

 

 

http://www.wsbt.com/sports/a-new-look-at-that-controversial-call-during-nd-vs-fsu/29232562

So you're admitting that the defenders were blocked? That seem to answer your argument right there.

 

If that' the best argument you've got, you lose terribly. First, he admits the receivers are trying to "engage". No receiver trying to get open is looking to engage anyone. Next, he tries to claim that the middle WR is going to try to look inside for the pass. That sounds great except that he never even attempts to turn his head inside. Instead after he performs his block, he looks outside to see if his teammate caught the ball - right where he knew it was going all the time.

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My reply to that is that "the defenders were 'blocked' away from Robinson who caught the TD. No one was trying to get to Robinson.

The dbs grabbed on and locked up their receivers in press coverage and could have been flagged themselves for holding. Here's the best Irish side of the argument.

 

 

http://www.wsbt.com/sports/a-new-look-at-that-controversial-call-during-nd-vs-fsu/29232562

So you're admitting that the defenders were blocked? yes I forgot to put in the ironic quotation marksThat seem to answer your argument right there.

 

If that' the best argument you've got, you lose terribly. First, he admits the receivers are trying to "engage". No receiver trying to get open is looking to engage anyone. Next, he tries to claim that the middle WR is going to try to look inside for the pass. That sounds great except that he never even attempts to turn his head inside. Instead after he performs his block, he looks outside to see if his teammate caught the ball - right where he knew it was going all the time.

 

 

They are within their rights to run an inside route whether they are engaged or not. WR are not compelled to change their route just because the D plays press coverage. Fuller on the left does get his head around. Prosise on the right does not, probably because he is being held on th shoulder pad. But they don't have to, they can close their eyes and run blindly forward if they want to.

 

Offensive pass interference occurs when a WR prevents a defender from making a play on the ball. But that shows that none of the defenders were playing the ball. Darby jumps the inside route (which is legal if he gets there first). Prosise's defender grabs him by the right shoulder pad (not legal). The 3rd Nole back pedals and is visibly irritated at his teammates. It follows that no one was guarding Robinson or trying to get to him where ball went. Therefore no one playing the ball = no OPI.

 

None of the calls apologists, not even the NCAA's man mention what the defenders are trying to do.

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They are within their rights to run an inside route whether they are engaged or not. WR are not compelled to change their route just because the D plays press coverage. Fuller on the left does get his head around. Prosise on the right does not, probably because he is being held on th shoulder pad. But they don't have to, they can close their eyes and run blindly forward if they want to.

 

Offensive pass interference occurs when a WR prevents a defender from making a play on the ball. But that shows that none of the defenders were playing the ball. Darby jumps the inside route (which is legal if he gets there first). Prosise's defender grabs him by the right shoulder pad (not legal). The 3rd Nole back pedals and is visibly irritated at his teammates. It follows that no one was guarding Robinson or trying to get to him where ball went. Therefore no one playing the ball = no OPI.

 

None of the calls apologists, not even the NCAA's man mention what the defenders are trying to do.

If they were at all attempting to run an inside route I'd agree with you.

 

If any of the rest of your post had anything to do with how the rules are actually written, it would be a stronger case. Actually, the WR has "the responsibility ... to avoid the opponents" so actually they are compelled to change their route instead of just running headlong into the defender and cannot "close their eyes and run blindly forward if they want to."

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They are within their rights to run an inside route whether they are engaged or not. WR are not compelled to change their route just because the D plays press coverage. Fuller on the left does get his head around. Prosise on the right does not, probably because he is being held on th shoulder pad. But they don't have to, they can close their eyes and run blindly forward if they want to.

 

Offensive pass interference occurs when a WR prevents a defender from making a play on the ball. But that shows that none of the defenders were playing the ball. Darby jumps the inside route (which is legal if he gets there first). Prosise's defender grabs him by the right shoulder pad (not legal). The 3rd Nole back pedals and is visibly irritated at his teammates. It follows that no one was guarding Robinson or trying to get to him where ball went. Therefore no one playing the ball = no OPI.

 

None of the calls apologists, not even the NCAA's man mention what the defenders are trying to do.

If they were at all attempting to run an inside route I'd agree with you.

 

If any of the rest of your post had anything to do with how the rules are actually written, it would be a stronger case. Actually, the WR has "the responsibility ... to avoid the opponents" so actually they are compelled to change their route instead of just running headlong into the defender and cannot "close their eyes and run blindly forward if they want to."

 

 

I don't know what you are quoting, the only thing that can relate to is the WR cannot run into a DB who has established position. That would be an exception to running blindly forward. But that doesn't apply to the 4th and goal play as the DBs jump the inside route and both offense and defense are fighting for the same ground.

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