NUance Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 2004 - Joe Dailey: 153/310 (49.4%) 2,025 yards, 6.5YPA, 17TD/19INT 2005 - Zac Taylor: 237/430 (55.1%) 2,653 yards, 6.2YPA, 19TD/12INT 2006 - Zac Taylor: 233/391 (59.6%) 3,197 yards, 8.2YPA, 26TD/INT8 2007 - Sam Keller: 205/325 (63.1%) 2,422 yards, 7.5YPA, 14TD/10INT *2007 - Joe Ganz: 89/152 (58.6%) 1,435 yards, 9.4YPA, 16TD/7INT 2008 - Joe Ganz: 285/420 (67.9%) 3,568 yards, 8.5YPA, 25TD/11INT || RUSHING || 92/258, 2.8YPA, 5TD 2009 - Zac Lee: 177/302 (58.6%) 2,143 yards, 7.1YPA, 14TD/10INT || RUSHING || 103/171, 1.7YPA, 1TD 2010 - Taylor Martinez: 116/196 (59.2%) 1,631 yards, 8.3YPA, 10TD/7INT || RUSHING || 162/965, 6.0YPA, 12TD 2011 - Taylor Martinez: 162/288 (56.3%) 2,089 yards, 7.3YPA, 13TD/8INT || RUSHING || 188/874, 4.6YPA, 9TD 2012 - Taylor Martinez: 228/368 (62.0%), 2,871 yards, 7.8YPA, 23TD/12INT || RUSHING || 195/1,019, 5.2YPA, 10TD 2013 - Taylor Martinez 69/110 (62.7%) 667 yards, 6.1YPA, 10TD/2INT || RUSHING || 40/117, 2.9YPA, 0TD *2013 - Ron Kellogg III: 80/134 (59.7%) 919 yards, 6.9YPA, 6TD/3INT || RUSHING || 23/-11, -0.5YPA, 0TD *2013 - Tommy Armstrong, Jr.: 68/131 (51.9%) 966 yards, 7.4YPA, 9TD/8INT || RUSHING || 67/202, 3.0YPA, 2TD I bolded the years where the QB had a good completion percentage, or at least a pretty good TD/INT ratio. I may have missed something, and I may have ganked up the formatting a bit. I typed this all, so if something's wrong that's probably on my end. I think this illustrates the point that, over the past 45 years and 50+ quarterbacks at Nebraska, maybe one third has been "good" when they drop back to pass. I agree with all the bolded although only looking at stats can be misleading (which I suspect you'd agree with). Stats or no, Ron Kellogg was a better passer than Martinez. And Sam Keller was better than them both. Quote Link to comment
HUSKER FREAK Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 WTH. Tommy may not be the best QB we have ever had YET, But acting like he sucks is ridiculous. I have zero problem with most of his play, but I wish we could put a microphone in his helmet to tell him he needs to hit Bell across the middle. The last game wasn't the only time he missed him while trying to force it to Westy. After that one play I came away thinking man do they have a problem with each other or what is going on. I have also seen some eye rolls from Bell after Tommy talks to him also after a bad play. Not sure what the deal is here. Quote Link to comment
Husker no ka oi Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Vince, then again some of you where not even a twinkle in daddy's eye when he played. Quote Link to comment
kchusker_chris Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 WTH. Tommy may not be the best QB we have ever had YET, But acting like he sucks is ridiculous. I have zero problem with most of his play, but I wish we could put a microphone in his helmet to tell him he needs to hit Bell across the middle. The last game wasn't the only time he missed him while trying to force it to Westy. After that one play I came away thinking man do they have a problem with each other or what is going on. I have also seen some eye rolls from Bell after Tommy talks to him also after a bad play. Not sure what the deal is here. There is absolutely something lacking between the WRs and the routes they run, and TA. Didn't we hear at the beginning of the year that one of the changes Beck was implementing was giving the receivers more freedom to change their routes to get open? That requires them to be on the same page, all the time. That's obviously not happening - and it's not limited to KB, Westy has been off with TA, Moore, Turner, etc. If you watch all of his INTs, almost every one of them was a good throw the a spot he thought they were going to be and they weren't. Plenty of that is on TA, but something is going on. It's not like he's throwing into triple coverage 6 times a game, or shot putting a long pass that gets picked (martinez). It's a good throw to a spot he thought someone was supposed to be. Quote Link to comment
Number12 Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Agreed kchusker_chris. I actually think Tommy is gonna end up being a really good one for us, but there is absolutely some kind of miscommunication that is plaguing our passing game. He throws a great looking ball, and unlike Taylor (who I liked as well) Tommy actually "looks" like a QB. I feel like there's a chance something will just click with him at some point and he'll become a very good QB. Quote Link to comment
zoogs Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 ^Tommy can throw a great ball but he's got inconsistencies that have to be addressed. Bo has to work the phones and line up the best full-time offensive staff assistant who can work with QBs that he can find. Really, until we get some veteran and quality coaching here, most every QB prospect who walks through the door is going to show up with all sorts of correctable issues on gameday that don't get corrected. And that's going to be really frustrating. Guys who look the part, appear to have what it takes, but don't manage to put it all together. Molding talent into an elite or even just good quarterback isn't easy. Quote Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 WTH. Tommy may not be the best QB we have ever had YET, But acting like he sucks is ridiculous. I have zero problem with most of his play, but I wish we could put a microphone in his helmet to tell him he needs to hit Bell across the middle. The last game wasn't the only time he missed him while trying to force it to Westy. After that one play I came away thinking man do they have a problem with each other or what is going on. I have also seen some eye rolls from Bell after Tommy talks to him also after a bad play. Not sure what the deal is here. There is absolutely something lacking between the WRs and the routes they run, and TA. Didn't we hear at the beginning of the year that one of the changes Beck was implementing was giving the receivers more freedom to change their routes to get open? That requires them to be on the same page, all the time. That's obviously not happening - and it's not limited to KB, Westy has been off with TA, Moore, Turner, etc. If you watch all of his INTs, almost every one of them was a good throw the a spot he thought they were going to be and they weren't. Plenty of that is on TA, but something is going on. It's not like he's throwing into triple coverage 6 times a game, or shot putting a long pass that gets picked (martinez). It's a good throw to a spot he thought someone was supposed to be. Agreed kchusker_chris. I actually think Tommy is gonna end up being a really good one for us, but there is absolutely some kind of miscommunication that is plaguing our passing game. He throws a great looking ball, and unlike Taylor (who I liked as well) Tommy actually "looks" like a QB. I feel like there's a chance something will just click with him at some point and he'll become a very good QB. Thankyou...I agree with both of you. Tommy is not a bad QB. There needs to be something worked out with the WRs on knowing where everyone is going to be. Heck, I have seen the best hall of fame QBS in history throwing into blank space and then having conversations with WRs in the huddle showing they weren't on the same page. It happens. It needs to be reduced as much as possible. But....it happens. 1 Quote Link to comment
kchusker_chris Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 ^Tommy can throw a great ball but he's got inconsistencies that have to be addressed. If he was on the same page with his WRs he'd be sitting at 15/4 instead of 13/8. There's plenty he needs to work on, but getting w/ his WRs is the #1 need IMO. He throws a bullet sometimes when there should be a little touch, but at least it's not a wounded duck thrown up as a free-for-all. That's a huge improvement right there. He misses an open receiver, or underthrows a cross route. But it's not absolutely alarming to me. For some reason I think he's pretty close to pulling it together. He had some great throws against Rutgers where he thread a needle on a cross to Moore I think, and the tight end in the end zone was a perfect throw - westy on a slant He doesn't make those in the first couple games of the season. I think he's a lot closer than some think. They look at a couple instances where there was a complete breakdown in communication that led to the INT, and forget about all the other things that are so much farther along than we're used to. Just the fact that it usually takes a complete breakdown in order for him to throw an INT is moving forward to me. That's fixable, there's something that's just off there. It's not mechanics IMO, it's not bad reads, or trying to do too much. It seems fixable - which with Martinez I didn't think it ever was. Quote Link to comment
zoogs Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Footwork is mechanics. Inconsistency in the little things add up and produce bad results. I can't share your optimism right now because I just don't think the coaching is there. He's not an absolute project where you look at his abilities and think, "How is any coach going to radically transform him into a passer". That's not what we're talking about here, but without really good coaching, how will he or anybody else mature to their full potential? Diagnosing the fix is only the small first step in the process. Quote Link to comment
kchusker_chris Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Footwork is mechanics. Inconsistency in the little things add up and produce bad results. I can't share your optimism right now because I just don't think the coaching is there. He's not an absolute project where you look at his abilities and think, "How is any coach going to radically transform him into a passer". That's not what we're talking about here, but without really good coaching, how will he or anybody else mature to their full potential? Diagnosing the fix is only the small first step in the process. I have no idea why I'm optimistic - but for some reason I think TA will click soon. I can't argue w/ the lack of coaching though - you know full well where I stand on that. I think Tommy could be great w/ the right coaching, right offense, etc. As it is, I think he can still be pretty dang good though. I thought Martinez could have been a lot better too. He had 4 years, and he wasn't much better in his last than he was the first half of his first. There was no "transformation" - just a slight jump each season that reverted back to old ways as much as it didn't. At the end of the day this is what we've got though, so I'm not going to harp on the kid and act like he's Joe Dailey running around out there. He's close. I think that about most of this team though. The talent appears to be there. Not as deep as it needs to be, there are still huge gaps between a few position groups, but with the right coaching the #1s could be good enough to play anyone in the nation close. (so with all that said,we just lack depth and coaching - no big deal right ) Quote Link to comment
HUSKER FREAK Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Footwork is mechanics. Inconsistency in the little things add up and produce bad results. I can't share your optimism right now because I just don't think the coaching is there. He's not an absolute project where you look at his abilities and think, "How is any coach going to radically transform him into a passer". That's not what we're talking about here, but without really good coaching, how will he or anybody else mature to their full potential? Diagnosing the fix is only the small first step in the process. I have no idea why I'm optimistic - but for some reason I think TA will click soon. I can't argue w/ the lack of coaching though - you know full well where I stand on that. I think Tommy could be great w/ the right coaching, right offense, etc. As it is, I think he can still be pretty dang good though. I thought Martinez could have been a lot better too. He had 4 years, and he wasn't much better in his last than he was the first half of his first. There was no "transformation" - just a slight jump each season that reverted back to old ways as much as it didn't. At the end of the day this is what we've got though, so I'm not going to harp on the kid and act like he's Joe Dailey running around out there. He's close. I think that about most of this team though. The talent appears to be there. Not as deep as it needs to be, there are still huge gaps between a few position groups, but with the right coaching the #1s could be good enough to play anyone in the nation close. (so with all that said,we just lack depth and coaching - no big deal right ) I like Tommy have no reason to think he is hurting this team right now. I know we're 8-1 but some of the problems and sloppy play will result in losses. But, I want to think that we play to our opponents level (it helps me feel better). The receivers and Tommy definitely aren't because he cant throw a good ball and who ever thinks it is doesn't watch very closely. They have to use this bye week to figure it out though. Quote Link to comment
Guy Chamberlin Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 I forgot we had a quarterback named McCathorn Clayton and another one named Keithen McCant. I think I ended up combining them in my brain. And yeah, Gerry Gdowski is overlooked in the pantheon. He needed one more season to enter the great QB conversation. I saw every quarterback on that list play, so I'm all in on the context thing. Honestly? I didn't cringe when Taylor Martinez dropped back. I don't cringe when Tommy Armstrong drops back. I don't cringe when we hand the ball off to a running back, even though they might fumble or get dropped for a loss or no gain. Bad things can happen on any play. Good things, too. No more so with runs than passes. So I tend to wait till the play is over before cringing or cheering. I did cringe during Jammal Lord's two seasons. That was the toughest offense I ever had to watch. Quote Link to comment
suh_fan93 Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Gdowski was awesome. Kind of a shame that his time as a starter was so short. Quote Link to comment
BigRedPowerWagon Posted November 3, 2014 Author Share Posted November 3, 2014 Without going into huge history, i watched nebraska since 1985. But i was 5 and didnt get a huge grasp around the game. Grew up during the great years but never really understanding what i was watching. Watched the NC games and then i was 19 so i just did what 19 year olds did and kinda fell off of football. After settling down i started really watching football. Watching and studying it. That was in 2007 and if you look at the month i joined as well. So didnt think it was necessary but i spelled it out there for all of you. And im not throwing tommy under the bus, i just cant honestly remember ever not cringing when a nebraska qb threw the ball. Quote Link to comment
The Dude Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 I wish we could frankenstein Tommy's arm, Taylor's legs, and Joe's brain. 1 Quote Link to comment
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