GBRedneck Posted September 22, 2015 Author Share Posted September 22, 2015 No.... I'm saying Wisconsin will play walkons ahead of scholarship athletes when they're up by 58 points. I'd bet every dollar I earn for the rest of my life that's true, no matter what statistic you throw at it. So if you're a scholarship athlete AND a starter, you get to play. But if you're not a starter, the walkons play first??? Dude, that doesn't even make sense. The point he's making is you don't jeopardize an injury to a second string OT when you're up by 4+ scores. That's the time where you put in the walk ons. No, that's when you put in the 3rd stringer, regardless of scholie or walkon. Quote Link to comment
knapplc Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 For a more apples-to-apples comparison, I checked the participation report for the Wisconsin / Alabama game.Wiscy used 50 players against Alabama. Of those, 12 were walk-ons. Three of those started.That list:OffensePos ## Offense QB 2 Stave,Joel - WalkonRB 6 Clement,Corey FB 34 Watt,Derek WR 86 Erickson,Alex - WalkonWR 15 Wheelwright,Ro TE 46 Traylor,Austin LT 61 Marz,Tyler LG 63 Deiter,Michael C 70 Voltz,Dan RG 62 Williams,Walke RT 74 Biegel,Hayden DefensePos ## Defense DE 95 Goldberg,A. NT 94 Sheehy,Conor DE 3A Obasih,Chikwe OLB 47 Biegel,Vince ILB 53 Edwards,T.J. ILB 32 Jacobs,Leon OLB 58 Schobert,Joe - WalkonCB 5 Hillary,Darius SS 7 Caputo,Michael FS 19 Musso,Leo CB 8 Shelton,Sojour Other participants:3-McEvoy,Tanner9-Fredrick,Jordan10-Gaglianone,R.11-Peavy,Jazz,12-Jamerson,N.14-Dixon,D'Cota16-Love,Reggie23-Ogunbowale,Dar, - Walkon24-Brookins,K.25-Tindal,Derrick28-Deal,Taiwan29-Floyd,Terrance36-Ferguson,Joe - Walkon37-Endicott,Andre - Walkon41-Hayes,Jesse42-Watt,T.J.43-Connelly,Ryan - Walkon48-Cichy, Jack - Walkon50-Orr, Chris57-James,Alec60-Udelhoven,Conn - Walkon65-Sagapolu, Olive75-Kapoi,Micah76-Schmidt,Logan - Walkon81-Fumagalli,Troy90-Meyer,Drew - Walkon91-Neuville,Z. - Walkon93-Keefer,Jake Quote Link to comment
GBRedneck Posted September 22, 2015 Author Share Posted September 22, 2015 Thanks, knapplc. That's almost identical to ours. 51/10 vs 50/12. Do you happen to have a list of their entire travel roster for comparison? I'll do the analysis if you can find a list. Quote Link to comment
knapplc Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 I don't have Wiscy's travel roster. Here's the source for the participation report. Forgot to include the link in the above post. http://www.rolltide.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2015-2016/01ua-wis.html#GAME.PRE Quote Link to comment
StPaulHusker Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 I just don't think that a third of your travel roster, whether they play or not, should consist of walk ons. 3 Quote Link to comment
StPaulHusker Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 For a more apples-to-apples comparison, I checked the participation report for the Wisconsin / Alabama game. Wiscy used 50 players against Alabama. Of those, 12 were walk-ons. Three of those started. That list: Offense Pos ## Offense QB 2 Stave,Joel - Walkon RB 6 Clement,Corey FB 34 Watt,Derek WR 86 Erickson,Alex - Walkon WR 15 Wheelwright,Ro TE 46 Traylor,Austin LT 61 Marz,Tyler LG 63 Deiter,Michael C 70 Voltz,Dan RG 62 Williams,Walke RT 74 Biegel,Hayden Defense Pos ## Defense DE 95 Goldberg,A. NT 94 Sheehy,Conor DE 3A Obasih,Chikwe OLB 47 Biegel,Vince ILB 53 Edwards,T.J. ILB 32 Jacobs,Leon OLB 58 Schobert,Joe - Walkon CB 5 Hillary,Darius SS 7 Caputo,Michael FS 19 Musso,Leo CB 8 Shelton,Sojour Other participants: 3-McEvoy,Tanner 9-Fredrick,Jordan 10-Gaglianone,R. 11-Peavy,Jazz, 12-Jamerson,N. 14-Dixon,D'Cota 16-Love,Reggie 23-Ogunbowale,Dar, - Walkon 24-Brookins,K. 25-Tindal,Derrick 28-Deal,Taiwan 29-Floyd,Terrance 36-Ferguson,Joe - Walkon 37-Endicott,Andre - Walkon 41-Hayes,Jesse 42-Watt,T.J. 43-Connelly,Ryan - Walkon 48-Cichy, Jack - Walkon 50-Orr, Chris 57-James,Alec 60-Udelhoven,Conn - Walkon 65-Sagapolu, Olive 75-Kapoi,Micah 76-Schmidt,Logan - Walkon 81-Fumagalli,Troy 90-Meyer,Drew - Walkon 91-Neuville,Z. - Walkon 93-Keefer,Jake And the end result was that they lost. I wonder if talent had anything to do with it. 1 Quote Link to comment
Atbone95 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 I'm pretty busy at work, but if you're doing the leg work on the stats - do you want to find how many walk-ons Alabama played? That'd be interesting to me. I'm being sincere, just curious. Quote Link to comment
Kiyoat Husker Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Interesting metric. Good job on your research. If I might make a suggestion, though. You may want to expand your investigation to other teams that are more of a recruiting peer to Nebraska. I realize that Wisconsin football is similar to Nebraska in many ways, and represents where we want to get back to in terms of on-field success, but even with their success, we do and should out-recruit them. Penn State and Michigan State might be better B1G ten models for your study. Here is an article from this year that shows 4-year average recruiting ranks: http://www.sbnation.com/college-football-recruiting/2015/2/6/7987571/recruiting-rankings-ratings-2015-college-football-teams from the article: #2 Ohio State #17 Michigan #26 Penn State #28 Michigan State #29 Nebraska (41) Big Ten Average #43 Maryland #44 Wisconsin #48 Rutgers #49 Indiana #50 Northwestern #52 Iowa #56 Illinois #60 Minnesota #61 Purdue Quote Link to comment
cg_8 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 What the heck is going on here? Is it good or bad to have Walk Ons? I thought it was good, but now I'm hearing its bad? Someone seriously needs to tell me what I need to believe from here on out about walk ons... Someone needs to provide me with my opinion... Quote Link to comment
GBRedneck Posted September 22, 2015 Author Share Posted September 22, 2015 I'm pretty busy at work, but if you're doing the leg work on the stats - do you want to find how many walk-ons Alabama played? That'd be interesting to me. I'm being sincere, just curious. I'll try to take a look later today. It does sound interesting. However, with Bama's recruiting practices and running off non-contributors to make room for new recruits, I doubt if we see similar numbers there. I'm certainly not an advocate of running off non-contributors so early. Quote Link to comment
DrunkOffPunch Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 No.... I'm saying Wisconsin will play walkons ahead of scholarship athletes when they're up by 58 points. I'd bet every dollar I earn for the rest of my life that's true, no matter what statistic you throw at it. So if you're a scholarship athlete AND a starter, you get to play. But if you're not a starter, the walkons play first??? Dude, that doesn't even make sense. The point he's making is you don't jeopardize an injury to a second string OT when you're up by 4+ scores. That's the time where you put in the walk ons. No, that's when you put in the 3rd stringer, regardless of scholie or walkon. I should've explained it better. The lower down the depth chart you get the higher the chances are of a player being a walk on. Also when you're up by that much it's not unlikely that they'll throw in a senior walk on for some snaps beings he probably won't be on the travel team and won't get any play time during the conference schedule. Quote Link to comment
Enhance Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 I just don't think that a third of your travel roster, whether they play or not, should consist of walk ons. Think about this mathematically, though. For starters, senior scholarship classes are almost always smaller than freshman scholarship classes because of transfers, drop-outs, whatever. Now, typically, most freshman don't travel and don't make the travel roster. So, you're going to have an abundance of older scholarship athletes and then you're going to likely have walk-ons fill in the spaces. This is purely an assumption, but, I don't think your concerns are as big of a deal as you're trying to make them be. I would wager, based on what we've been discussing here, a lot of teams trot anywhere from 5-10 walk-ons out for a game. Statistically, it just makes sense. Now, if you want to compare that to what Alabama does that's fine, but they're also the best recruiting team in the nation. A lot of teams aren't going to meet that standard. Quote Link to comment
Red Five Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 I also just compared starters from the two games. Wisconsin started 3 former walkons on offense and 1 on defense. Nebraska started 3 former walkons on offense and none on defense. Jack Gangwish started game 1. Chris Weber started game 2. 1 Quote Link to comment
teachercd Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 What the heck is going on here? Is it good or bad to have Walk Ons? I thought it was good, but now I'm hearing its bad? Someone seriously needs to tell me what I need to believe from here on out about walk ons... Someone needs to provide me with my opinion... It is good...if they are Jared Tomich...it is bad if they are anyone else...It is extra special if they are from Nebraska...but it is okay if good Nebraska scholarship players go to other places...unless it was during Bo's time...then it is bad... I think that clears it up! haha Quote Link to comment
knapplc Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 I don't have time to do Alabama's entire roster. I looked at their starters against Wisconsin, and none of them were walk-ons. They all had a ridiculous number of stars and were "the best player in X state" bap bap bap. Here's their participation list from the Wisconsin game. If someone wants to do the non-starters, they're welcome to join the fun.OffensePos ## Offense LT 74 Robinson, Cam LG 71 Pierschbacher C 70 Kelly, Ryan RG 50 Taylor, A. RT 76 Jackson, D. TE 88 Howard, O.J. QB 14 Coker, Jake RB 17 Drake, Kenyan RB 2 Henry, Derrick WR 8 Foster, Robert WR 13 Stewart, A. DefensePos ## Defense DE 86 Robinson, A. NG 95 Lake, Darren DE 90 Reed, Jarran SLB 25 Lee, Dillon MLB 19 Ragland, Reggie WLB 20 Hamilton, S. JLB 30 Devall, Denzel CB 5 Jones, Cyrus SS 4 Jackson, Eddie FS 24 Matias-Smith, G CB 26 Humphrey, M. Other participants:1-Black, Chris,1B-Harrison, R.,3A-Ridley, Calvin,3B-Miller, C.,3-Sylve, Bradley,6-Jones, Hootie,7A-Sims, Cam,7-Brown, Tony,9B-Payne, Daron,9-Hand, Da'Shawn,10-Foster, Reuben,11-Morris, Alec,15-Scott, JK,16-Mullaney, R.,18-Bateman, Cooper,21-Smith, Maurice,22-Anderson, Ryan,27-Burgess-Becker,29-Fitzpatrick, M.,32-Evans, Rashaan,34-Harris, Damien,42-Holcombe, Keith,46-Nysewander, M.,54-Tomlinson, D.,55-Mazza, Cole,56-Williams, Tim,57-Pettway, D.J.,58-Greene, Brandon,59-Warmack, Dallas,63-Hassenauer, J.,66-Cotton, Lester,69-Frazier, Joshua,75-Bozeman, B.,83-Flournoy-Smith,84-Hentges, Hale,87-Barrineau, P.,93-Allen, Jonathan,94-Ball, Dakota,99-Griffith, Adam. Quote Link to comment
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