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Threw this together based on 247's ratings (tried doing it with Rivals and Scout, too, but it seemed their websites broke down a bit once you got further back than four or five years. If anyone has their rankings going back to 2001, feel free to share them and I will update the chart).

 

You can't really determine a trend line with only two data points, but at least it so far looks like we're moving the right direction with Riley.

 

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Nice work on that. Moved it to a thread where I think it fits a little better.

 

I think the trend line is basically flat at about 25. Callahan gets a lot of credit for the one good class but that was mostly quantity, not necessarily quality. Pelini's 2009 class definitely wasn't great but I think ended up better than it looked on Signing Day - Burkhead, Martinez, Sirles, Gomes, Qvale and Spencer Long were top notch plus Ankrah, Randle and Martin. Not very deep but not too shabby for a "worst" class.

 

Most everything else is 20-30. The 2011 class definitely had talent but not a lot of it helped the Huskers. And it's balanced out by the 2014 class that was low-rated but seems to be well out-performing their ratings (Gates, Wilbon, Akinmoladun, DPE, Kalu, Cockrell, Chris Jones, Drew Brown already plus Farmer, Foster, Gifford, Stoltenberg and King with possibilities).

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Threw this together based on 247's ratings (tried doing it with Rivals and Scout, too, but it seemed their websites broke down a bit once you got further back than four or five years. If anyone has their rankings going back to 2001, feel free to share them and I will update the chart).

 

You can't really determine a trend line with only two data points, but at least it so far looks like we're moving the right direction with Riley.

 

post-13271-0-25931200-1454615875.png

 

Nice work on that. Moved it to a thread where I think it fits a little better.

 

I think the trend line is basically flat at about 25. Callahan gets a lot of credit for the one good class but that was mostly quantity, not necessarily quality. Pelini's 2009 class definitely wasn't great but I think ended up better than it looked on Signing Day - Burkhead, Martinez, Sirles, Gomes, Qvale and Spencer Long were top notch plus Ankrah, Randle and Martin. Not very deep but not too shabby for a "worst" class.

 

Most everything else is 20-30. The 2011 class definitely had talent but not a lot of it helped the Huskers. And it's balanced out by the 2014 class that was low-rated but seems to be well out-performing their ratings (Gates, Wilbon, Akinmoladun, DPE, Kalu, Cockrell, Chris Jones, Drew Brown already plus Farmer, Foster, Gifford, Stoltenberg and King with possibilities).

 

 

Yeah, probably overall, though I was actually just referring to Riley's trend line. Pelini's was clearly trending down. Callahan was, well, Callahan.

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Threw this together based on 247's ratings (tried doing it with Rivals and Scout, too, but it seemed their websites broke down a bit once you got further back than four or five years. If anyone has their rankings going back to 2001, feel free to share them and I will update the chart).

 

You can't really determine a trend line with only two data points, but at least it so far looks like we're moving the right direction with Riley.

 

attachicon.gifNebraska-recruiting-class-rankings.png

Pelini's recruiting was as much a roller coaster ride as the rest of his tenure.

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Threw this together based on 247's ratings (tried doing it with Rivals and Scout, too, but it seemed their websites broke down a bit once you got further back than four or five years. If anyone has their rankings going back to 2001, feel free to share them and I will update the chart).

 

You can't really determine a trend line with only two data points, but at least it so far looks like we're moving the right direction with Riley.

 

attachicon.gifNebraska-recruiting-class-rankings.png

Nice graph here.. Shows how it took Bo and company a couple years to figure out the recruiting style needed to get the big names.

 

Makes you feel a bit better to see what Riley can do right off the bat and build off the first season even with a losing record.

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'17 class has 3 out of 4 recruits that are 4* guys, includes Gebbia. Off to a great start with this class! :)

That alone is more 4* recruits than most Pelini classes had holistically.

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'17 class has 3 out of 4 recruits that are 4* guys, includes Gebbia. Off to a great start with this class! :)

That alone is more 4* recruits than most Pelini classes had holistically.

 

Hmm, not so sure about that. Bo usually pulled in 4-6 4*s per class, if I recall correctly. But we need to get more in the 8-10+ range per class if we want to regular compete with the Bigs. Perhaps this '17 class will achieve that.

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'17 class has 3 out of 4 recruits that are 4* guys, includes Gebbia. Off to a great start with this class! :)

That alone is more 4* recruits than most Pelini classes had holistically.

 

Hmm, not so sure about that. Bo usually pulled in 4-6 4*s per class, if I recall correctly. But we need to get more in the 8-10+ range per class if we want to regular compete with the Bigs. Perhaps this '17 class will achieve that.

 

You can probably live with 4-6 in a class if they actually pan out. That was part of Pelini's problem. A lot of the higher rated recruits he brought in didn't contribute, didn't make it to campus, or transferred out.

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'17 class has 3 out of 4 recruits that are 4* guys, includes Gebbia. Off to a great start with this class! :)

That alone is more 4* recruits than most Pelini classes had holistically.

 

Hmm, not so sure about that. Bo usually pulled in 4-6 4*s per class, if I recall correctly. But we need to get more in the 8-10+ range per class if we want to regular compete with the Bigs. Perhaps this '17 class will achieve that.

 

You can probably live with 4-6 in a class if they actually pan out. That was part of Pelini's problem. A lot of the higher rated recruits he brought in didn't contribute, didn't make it to campus, or transferred out.

 

Hmm, not sure, I think most of the 4* Bo recruits ended up contributing. There were probably more 3* guys that didn't pan out, just because there were way more 3* guys.

 

But we're going to need more than 4-6 4* per to compete. Sparty, for one, has been recruiting more 4* guys the last few classes, more in the preferred range.

 

https://michiganstate.n.rivals.com/commitments/football/2016

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'17 class has 3 out of 4 recruits that are 4* guys, includes Gebbia. Off to a great start with this class! :)

That alone is more 4* recruits than most Pelini classes had holistically.

 

Hmm, not so sure about that. Bo usually pulled in 4-6 4*s per class, if I recall correctly. But we need to get more in the 8-10+ range per class if we want to regular compete with the Bigs. Perhaps this '17 class will achieve that.

 

You can probably live with 4-6 in a class if they actually pan out. That was part of Pelini's problem. A lot of the higher rated recruits he brought in didn't contribute, didn't make it to campus, or transferred out.

 

Hmm, not sure, I think most of the 4* Bo recruits ended up contributing. There were probably more 3* guys that didn't pan out, just because there were way more 3* guys.

 

But we're going to need more than 4-6 4* per to compete. Sparty, for one, has been recruiting more 4* guys the last few classes, more in the preferred range.

 

https://michiganstate.n.rivals.com/commitments/football/2016

 

What I am saying is that you can LIVE at 4-6. Im not saying it's ideal.

 

But as far as Pelini and 4 star contribution according to 247:

 

2008: Josh Williams (1 of 3 4 star)

2009: Cody Green (1 of 2)

2010: Braylon Heard, Chase Rome (2 of 5). I will even let Andrew Rodriguez slide although he was underwhelming.

2011: Aaron Green, Jamal Turner, Charles Jackson, Bubba Starling, Tyler More, Todd Peat, Ryan Klachko (7 of 9)

2012: Jared Afalava (1 of 8) Paul Thurston is questionable.

2013: Adam Taylor, Johnny Stanton, AJ Natter (3 of 7) Although Natter is listed, for now on the 2 deep at DE.

2014: Tanner Farmer (1 of 2) It's too early and this could be 2 of 2

 

16 out of 36 four star recruits Pelini recruited according to 247 had no considerable contribution so far. And at best there will be 2 additional. So less than 50% to at most 50%.

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'17 class has 3 out of 4 recruits that are 4* guys, includes Gebbia. Off to a great start with this class! :)

That alone is more 4* recruits than most Pelini classes had holistically.

 

Hmm, not so sure about that. Bo usually pulled in 4-6 4*s per class, if I recall correctly. But we need to get more in the 8-10+ range per class if we want to regular compete with the Bigs. Perhaps this '17 class will achieve that.

 

You can probably live with 4-6 in a class if they actually pan out. That was part of Pelini's problem. A lot of the higher rated recruits he brought in didn't contribute, didn't make it to campus, or transferred out.

 

Hmm, not sure, I think most of the 4* Bo recruits ended up contributing. There were probably more 3* guys that didn't pan out, just because there were way more 3* guys.

 

But we're going to need more than 4-6 4* per to compete. Sparty, for one, has been recruiting more 4* guys the last few classes, more in the preferred range.

 

https://michiganstate.n.rivals.com/commitments/football/2016

 

What I am saying is that you can LIVE at 4-6. Im not saying it's ideal.

 

But as far as Pelini and 4 star contribution according to 247:

 

2008: Josh Williams (1 of 3 4 star)

2009: Cody Green (1 of 2)

2010: Braylon Heard, Chase Rome (2 of 5). I will even let Andrew Rodriguez slide although he was underwhelming.

2011: Aaron Green, Jamal Turner, Charles Jackson, Bubba Starling, Tyler More, Todd Peat, Ryan Klachko (7 of 9)

2012: Jared Afalava (1 of 8) Paul Thurston is questionable.

2013: Adam Taylor, Johnny Stanton, AJ Natter (3 of 7) Although Natter is listed, for now on the 2 deep at DE.

2014: Tanner Farmer (1 of 2) It's too early and this could be 2 of 2

 

16 out of 36 four star recruits Pelini recruited according to 247 had no considerable contribution so far. And at best there will be 2 additional. So less than 50% to at most 50%.

 

Absolutely on point here. Let's assess Paul Thurston for example, I coached his cousin in pee wee ball, good athlete, but I digress. Thurston was a 4 star OL coming in. The problem with Thurston was that Pelini and cotton recruited for quantity. Sure he was a 4 star, but his physical attributes do not mesh with what they were trying to accomplish. Maybe they did not know what they wanted to accomplish. Thurston is a slender, speedy O-lineman, Oregon would have done wonders with some one like Thurston. Unfortunately, Thurston has not been able to be utilized because in the BIG, you need lineman that are beefy, and can withstand the more physical style of football played.

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Probably half done with this class so here's where it sits as of now:

Class Average Recruits (# 4*+)
02 .8316 18 (2)
03 .8316 19 (2)
04 .8237 20 (2)
05* .8523 32 (7)
06* .8493 22 (5)
07* .8587 26 (6)
08 .8449 29 (3)
09 .8580 19 (2)
10* .8642 20 (5)
11 .8832 21 (9)
12 .8773 17 (8)
13 .8655 24 (7)
14 .8601 25 (2)
15 .8617 21 (4)
16 .8707 21 (5)

17 .8658 14 (4)

* 2005 - Leon Jackson isn't on 247's list but was a 4* on Rivals
* 2006 - Major Culbert doesn't show a rating on 247 but was a high 3* on Rivals
* 2007 - Armando Murillo (JUCO) not included in 247's list
* 2010 - Stanley Jean-Baptiste and Chase Harper (JUCOs) not included in 247's rankings

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Update. Just over five weeks to NSD.

 

Class Average Recruits (# 4*+)
02 .8316 18 (2)
03 .8316 19 (2)
04 .8237 20 (2)
05* .8523 32 (7)
06* .8493 22 (5)
07* .8587 26 (6)
08 .8449 29 (3)
09 .8580 19 (2)
10* .8642 20 (5)
11 .8832 21 (9)
12 .8773 17 (8)
13 .8655 24 (7)
14 .8601 25 (2)
15 .8617 21 (4)
16 .8707 21 (5)

17 .8711 14 (3)

* 2005 - Leon Jackson isn't on 247's list but was a 4* on Rivals
* 2006 - Major Culbert doesn't show a rating on 247 but was a high 3* on Rivals
* 2007 - Armando Murillo (JUCO) not included in 247's list
* 2010 - Stanley Jean-Baptiste and Chase Harper (JUCOs) not included in 247's rankings

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Update. Just over five weeks to NSD.

 

Class Average Recruits (# 4*+)

02 .8316 18 (2)

03 .8316 19 (2)

04 .8237 20 (2)

05* .8523 32 (7)

06* .8493 22 (5)

07* .8587 26 (6)

08 .8449 29 (3)

09 .8580 19 (2)

10* .8642 20 (5)

11 .8832 21 (9)

12 .8773 17 (8)

13 .8655 24 (7)

14 .8601 25 (2)

15 .8617 21 (4)

16 .8707 21 (5)

17 .8711 14 (3)

 

* 2005 - Leon Jackson isn't on 247's list but was a 4* on Rivals

* 2006 - Major Culbert doesn't show a rating on 247 but was a high 3* on Rivals

* 2007 - Armando Murillo (JUCO) not included in 247's list

* 2010 - Stanley Jean-Baptiste and Chase Harper (JUCOs) not included in 247's rankings

How did our average go up and yet it shows we lost a 4*?

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How did our average go up and yet it shows we lost a 4*?

I was confused by that as well. I think the four-star we "lost" is KJJ dropping in "value" and not being a four-star anymore so that doesn't change the average much. Also, Porcher was lower-rated so losing him probably moved the average up.

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With 2017 Class Final

Class Average Recruits (# 4*+)
 02    .8316    18 (2)
 03    .8316    19 (2)
 04    .8237    20 (2)
 05*   .8523    32 (7)
 06*   .8493    22 (5)
 07*   .8587    26 (6)
 08    .8449    29 (3)
 09    .8580    19 (2)
 10*   .8642    20 (5)
 11    .8832    21 (9)
 12    .8773    17 (8)
 13    .8655    24 (7)
 14    .8601    25 (2)
 15    .8617    21 (4)
 16    .8707    21 (5)

 17    .8758    20 (5)


* 2005 - Leon Jackson isn't on 247's list but was a 4* on Rivals
* 2006 - Major Culbert doesn't show a rating on 247 but was a high 3* on Rivals
* 2007 - Armando Murillo (JUCO) not included in 247's list
* 2010 - Stanley Jean-Baptiste and Chase Harper (JUCOs) not included in 247's rankings

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With 2017 Class Final

 

Class Average Recruits (# 4*+)

02 .8316 18 (2)

03 .8316 19 (2)

04 .8237 20 (2)

05* .8523 32 (7)

06* .8493 22 (5)

07* .8587 26 (6)

08 .8449 29 (3)

09 .8580 19 (2)

10* .8642 20 (5)

11 .8832 21 (9)

12 .8773 17 (8)

13 .8655 24 (7)

14 .8601 25 (2)

15 .8617 21 (4)

16 .8707 21 (5)

17 .8758 20 (5)

 

* 2005 - Leon Jackson isn't on 247's list but was a 4* on Rivals

* 2006 - Major Culbert doesn't show a rating on 247 but was a high 3* on Rivals

* 2007 - Armando Murillo (JUCO) not included in 247's list

* 2010 - Stanley Jean-Baptiste and Chase Harper (JUCOs) not included in 247's rankings

This is subject to change until all the teams are finished, correct?

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With 2017 Class Final

 

Class Average Recruits (# 4*+)

02 .8316 18 (2)

03 .8316 19 (2)

04 .8237 20 (2)

05* .8523 32 (7)

06* .8493 22 (5)

07* .8587 26 (6)

08 .8449 29 (3)

09 .8580 19 (2)

10* .8642 20 (5)

11 .8832 21 (9)

12 .8773 17 (8)

13 .8655 24 (7)

14 .8601 25 (2)

15 .8617 21 (4)

16 .8707 21 (5)

17 .8758 20 (5)

 

* 2005 - Leon Jackson isn't on 247's list but was a 4* on Rivals

* 2006 - Major Culbert doesn't show a rating on 247 but was a high 3* on Rivals

* 2007 - Armando Murillo (JUCO) not included in 247's list

* 2010 - Stanley Jean-Baptiste and Chase Harper (JUCOs) not included in 247's rankings

This is subject to change until all the teams are finished, correct?

 

No. It shows NU's player average and number of recruits. Thats not changing.

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With 2017 Class Final

 

Class Average Recruits (# 4*+)

02 .8316 18 (2)

03 .8316 19 (2)

04 .8237 20 (2)

05* .8523 32 (7)

06* .8493 22 (5)

07* .8587 26 (6)

08 .8449 29 (3)

09 .8580 19 (2)

10* .8642 20 (5)

11 .8832 21 (9)

12 .8773 17 (8)

13 .8655 24 (7)

14 .8601 25 (2)

15 .8617 21 (4)

16 .8707 21 (5)

17 .8758 20 (5)

 

* 2005 - Leon Jackson isn't on 247's list but was a 4* on Rivals

* 2006 - Major Culbert doesn't show a rating on 247 but was a high 3* on Rivals

* 2007 - Armando Murillo (JUCO) not included in 247's list

* 2010 - Stanley Jean-Baptiste and Chase Harper (JUCOs) not included in 247's rankings

This is subject to change until all the teams are finished, correct?

 

No. It shows NU's player average and number of recruits. Thats not changing.

 

Ok, I misread the number of players as the class rank.

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What catches my eye is that are class average is pretty high considering we have an "average" number of 4* players - this says that our 3* players are high and will help lead to some depth issues that we have had in the past. I feel like next year will be less about positions of need and more about high level players.

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This class has me jazzed. I think we have now a terrific core of players, from '15, '16 and '17 classes, from which to build.

 

We're probably not ever going to be able to recruit at the level of Alabama or Ohio State consistently. But as long as we're in the top 20, and get great coaching, I think we'll be fine.

 

The skill players on offense in this class are on paper outstanding. Our lineman recruits on both sides of the ball I think are drastically under-rated.

 

For example, DT Deontre Thomas just might be the stud of this class.

 

Mike Riley has proven we wants to win, and win at an elite level. I think it'll happen.

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With 2018 Class Final

Class Average Recruits (# 4*+)  

 02    .8316    18 (2)
 03    .8316    19 (2)
 04    .8331    20 (2)
 05*   .8589    31 (5)
 06*   .8592    22 (4)
 07*   .8587    26 (6)
 08    .8449    29 (3)
 09    .8580    19 (2)
 10*   .8642    20 (5)
 11    .8832    21 (9)
 12    .8791    17 (8)
 13    .8675    24 (7)
 14    .8495    25 (3)
 15    .8616    21 (4)
 16    .8686    21 (5)

 17    .8781    20 (6)

 18    .8768    24 (6)

* 2005 - Leon Jackson isn't on 247's list but was a 4* on Rivals
* 2006 - Major Culbert doesn't show a rating on 247 but was a high 3* on Rivals
* 2007 - Armando Murillo (JUCO) not included in 247's list
* 2010 - Stanley Jean-Baptiste and Chase Harper (JUCOs) not included in 247's rankings

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Frost successfully kept the talent train right on track when it was looking like we may fall behind after MR was fired. Great job bringing this class together

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1 minute ago, Atbone95 said:

Riley recruited better than Frost, see Mav's facts. 

 

 

 

;)

Difference would be he maintained almost the same average over more recruits.... ;)

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On 2/1/2017 at 4:56 PM, Making Chimichangas said:

This class has me jazzed. I think we have now a terrific core of players, from '15, '16 and '17 classes, from which to build.

 

We're probably not ever going to be able to recruit at the level of Alabama or Ohio State consistently. But as long as we're in the top 20, and get great coaching, I think we'll be fine.

 

The skill players on offense in this class are on paper outstanding. Our lineman recruits on both sides of the ball I think are drastically under-rated.

 

For example, DT Deontre Thomas just might be the stud of this class.

 

Mike Riley has proven we wants to win, and win at an elite level. I think it'll happen.

The last sentence in this post is so funny to read a year later. 

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I'm predicting next year Frost pulls in 10+ 4* athletes (Rivals, this year we had 9 according to them) and the class either gets very close or exceeds a .9 rating.  

 

And one 5* recruit.

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I think we have to set our goals to consistently be above the .88 average rating. That should be be our goal every year. 

 

(I do understand there may be some players Frost targets that he believes fit his system which may drag it down)

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2019 may be an exception with some highly rated in-state guys, but for the most part, Nebraska kids are going to drag the average down.  Frost has said multiple times he wants to keep Nebraska guys home, and maybe he'll do it mostly with the walk-on program, but the guys that deserve scholarships are still rarely going to be above a 3-star average.  I see no problem with this unless your goal is to get highly ranked classes.  Give scholarships out to the ones that deserve it, try to get a bunch of walk-ons, and then go get the best players you can from anywhere in the country.  500-mile radius is fine, but recruiting hotbeds where the coaches have ties works just fine too.

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11 hours ago, Making Chimichangas said:

 

Oh yeah.  It's part of the reason why I mostly refrain from making predictions anymore.

 

:D

I wouldn't worry about it. Everybody understands the time and focus it requires to be Making Chimichangas :) 

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I don't doubt one bit that Mike Riley wanted to win and win at an elite level.  He just showed that he couldn't surround himself with a staff that would allow him to do it.  Or hold his players to a regimine that would allow them to do that.  Or gameplan and make adjustments that would result in it.  Or....

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Stretch run update (red years are transition classes)

 

Per 247 Composite

 

Class Average Recruits (# 4*+)  

 02    .8316    18 (2)
 03    .8316    19 (2)

 04    .8331    20 (2)
 05*   .8589    31 (5)
 06*   .8592    22 (4)
 07*   .8587    26 (6)

 08    .8449    29 (3)
 09    .8580    19 (2)
 10*   .8642    20 (5)
 11    .8832    21 (9)
 12    .8791    17 (8)
 13    .8675    24 (7)
 14    .8495    25 (3)

 15    .8616    21 (4)
 16    .8686    21 (5)
 17    .8781    20 (6)

 18    .8768    24 (6)

 19    .8787    21 (5)

* 2005 - Leon Jackson isn't on 247's list but was a 4* on Rivals
* 2006 - Major Culbert doesn't show a rating on 247 but was a high 3* on Rivals
* 2007 - Armando Murillo (JUCO) not included in 247's list
* 2010 - Stanley Jean-Baptiste and Chase Harper (JUCOs) not included in 247's rankings

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3 minutes ago, Decked said:

2017 sure turned out to be a bust of a class already 

2011 was terrible for retention and production as well.  And 2012 wasn't far behind as a group

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2011, 2012, and 2017 are the 3 highest average ranking per player years we have had from 02 to 18.  They are arguably the 3 worst cases of underachieving groups as a whole.

 

 

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15 hours ago, Mavric said:

Stretch run update (red years are transition classes)

 

Per 247 Composite

 

Class Average Recruits (# 4*+)  

 02    .8316    18 (2)
 03    .8316    19 (2)

 04    .8331    20 (2)
 05*   .8589    31 (5)
 06*   .8592    22 (4)
 07*   .8587    26 (6)

 08    .8449    29 (3)
 09    .8580    19 (2)
 10*   .8642    20 (5)
 11    .8832    21 (9)
 12    .8791    17 (8)
 13    .8675    24 (7)
 14    .8495    25 (3)

 15    .8616    21 (4)
 16    .8686    21 (5)
 17    .8781    20 (6)

 18    .8768    24 (6)

 19    .8787    22 (5)

* 2005 - Leon Jackson isn't on 247's list but was a 4* on Rivals
* 2006 - Major Culbert doesn't show a rating on 247 but was a high 3* on Rivals
* 2007 - Armando Murillo (JUCO) not included in 247's list
* 2010 - Stanley Jean-Baptiste and Chase Harper (JUCOs) not included in 247's rankings

We have 22 right now?

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1 hour ago, BigRedBuster said:

We have 22 right now?

 

Thanks for catching that.  Our class rank is #22.  Looked at the wrong number.

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6 hours ago, Mavric said:

 

Thanks for catching that.  Our class rank is #22.  Looked at the wrong number.

Common problem

On 2/1/2017 at 3:15 PM, RedDenver said:

Ok, I misread the number of players as the class rank.

 

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