The General Election

[Savage Husker]

 

 

Both candidates suck, one talks out of both sides of their mouth, the other with a foot in their mouth, but this broad is the real life version of Claire Underwood and her track record speaks for itself. The ineptitude of this individual is glaring. Passed along from a friend:

If you're under 50 you really need to read this. If you’re over 50, you lived through it, so share it with those under 50. Amazing to me how much I had forgotten!

When Bill Clinton was president, he allowed Hillary to assume authority over a health care reform. Even after threats and intimidation, she couldn’t even get a vote in a democratic controlled congress. This fiasco cost the American taxpayers about $13 million in cost for studies, promotion, and other efforts.

Then President Clinton gave Hillary authority over selecting a female attorney general. Her first two selections were Zoe Baird and Kimba Wood – both were forced to withdraw their names from consideration. Next she chose Janet Reno – husband Bill described her selection as “my worst mistake.” Some may not remember that Reno made the decision to gas David Koresh and the Branch Davidian religious sect in Waco, Texas resulting in dozens of deaths of women and children.

Husband Bill allowed Hillary to make recommendations for the head of the Civil Rights Commission. Lani Guanier was her selection. When a little probing led to the discovery of Ms. Guanier’s radical views, her name had to be withdrawn from consideration.

Apparently a slow learner, husband Bill allowed Hillary to make some more recommendations. She chose former law partners Web Hubbel for the Justice Department, Vince Foster for the White House staff, and William Kennedy for the Treasury Department. Her selections went well: Hubbel went to prison, Foster (presumably) committed suicide, and Kennedy was forced to resign.

Many younger votes will have no knowledge of “Travelgate.” Hillary wanted to award unfettered travel contracts to Clinton friend Harry Thompson – and the White House Travel Office refused to comply. She managed to have them reported to the FBI and fired. This ruined their reputations, cost them their jobs, and caused a thirty-six month investigation. Only one employee, Billy Dale was charged with a crime, and that of the enormous crime of mixing personal and White House funds. A jury acquitted him of any crime in less than two hours.

Still not convinced of her ineptness, Hillary was allowed to recommend a close Clinton friend, Craig Livingstone, for the position of Director of White House security. When Livingstone was investigated for the improper access of about 900 FBI files of Clinton enemies (Filegate) and the widespread use of drugs by White House staff, suddenly Hillary and the president denied even knowing Livingstone, and of course, denied knowledge of drug use in the White House.

Following this debacle, the FBI closed its White House Liaison Office after more than thirty years of service to seven presidents.

Next, when women started coming forward with allegations of sexual harassment and rape by Bill Clinton, Hillary was put in charge of the #$%$ eruption” and scandal defense. Some of her more notable decisions in the debacle were:

She urged her husband not to settle the Paula Jones lawsuit. After the Starr investigation they settled with Ms. Jones.

She refused to release the Whitewater documents, which led to the appointment of Ken Starr as Special Prosecutor.

After $80 million dollars of taxpayer money was spent, Starr's investigation led to Monica Lewinsky, which led to Bill lying about and later admitting his affairs.

Hillary’s devious game plan resulted in Bill losing his license to practice law for 'lying under oath' to a grand jury and then his subsequent impeachment by the House of Representatives.

Hillary avoided indictment for perjury and obstruction of justice during the Starr investigation by repeating, “I do not recall,” “I have no recollection,” and “I don’t know” a total of 56 times while under oath.

After leaving the White House, Hillary was forced to return an estimated $200,000 in White House furniture, china, and artwork that she had stolen.

What a swell party – ready for another four or eight year of this type of low-life mess?

Now we are exposed to the destruction of possibly incriminating emails while Hillary was Secretary of State and the “pay to play” schemes of the Clinton Foundation – we have no idea what shoe will fall next.

But to her loyal fans (supporters) - I guess in her own words “what difference does it make?”

 

The sad thing is, even if every line of that is true, Hillary is a better choice than Trump.

And Johnson is better than either

The sadder thing is that people will still vote for her.

[NM11046]

Both candidates suck, one talks out of both sides of their mouth, the other with a foot in their mouth, but this broad is the real life version of Claire Underwood and her track record speaks for itself. The ineptitude of this individual is glaring. Passed along from a friend:

 

If you're under 50 you really need to read this. If you’re over 50, you lived through it, so share it with those under 50. Amazing to me how much I had forgotten!

 

When Bill Clinton was president, he allowed Hillary to assume authority over a health care reform. Even after threats and intimidation, she couldn’t even get a vote in a democratic controlled congress. This fiasco cost the American taxpayers about $13 million in cost for studies, promotion, and other efforts.

 

Then President Clinton gave Hillary authority over selecting a female attorney general. Her first two selections were Zoe Baird and Kimba Wood – both were forced to withdraw their names from consideration. Next she chose Janet Reno – husband Bill described her selection as “my worst mistake.” Some may not remember that Reno made the decision to gas David Koresh and the Branch Davidian religious sect in Waco, Texas resulting in dozens of deaths of women and children.

 

Husband Bill allowed Hillary to make recommendations for the head of the Civil Rights Commission. Lani Guanier was her selection. When a little probing led to the discovery of Ms. Guanier’s radical views, her name had to be withdrawn from consideration.

 

Apparently a slow learner, husband Bill allowed Hillary to make some more recommendations. She chose former law partners Web Hubbel for the Justice Department, Vince Foster for the White House staff, and William Kennedy for the Treasury Department. Her selections went well: Hubbel went to prison, Foster (presumably) committed suicide, and Kennedy was forced to resign.

 

Many younger votes will have no knowledge of “Travelgate.” Hillary wanted to award unfettered travel contracts to Clinton friend Harry Thompson – and the White House Travel Office refused to comply. She managed to have them reported to the FBI and fired. This ruined their reputations, cost them their jobs, and caused a thirty-six month investigation. Only one employee, Billy Dale was charged with a crime, and that of the enormous crime of mixing personal and White House funds. A jury acquitted him of any crime in less than two hours.

 

Still not convinced of her ineptness, Hillary was allowed to recommend a close Clinton friend, Craig Livingstone, for the position of Director of White House security. When Livingstone was investigated for the improper access of about 900 FBI files of Clinton enemies (Filegate) and the widespread use of drugs by White House staff, suddenly Hillary and the president denied even knowing Livingstone, and of course, denied knowledge of drug use in the White House.

 

Following this debacle, the FBI closed its White House Liaison Office after more than thirty years of service to seven presidents.

 

Next, when women started coming forward with allegations of sexual harassment and rape by Bill Clinton, Hillary was put in charge of the #$%$ eruption” and scandal defense. Some of her more notable decisions in the debacle were:

 

She urged her husband not to settle the Paula Jones lawsuit. After the Starr investigation they settled with Ms. Jones.

 

She refused to release the Whitewater documents, which led to the appointment of Ken Starr as Special Prosecutor.

 

After $80 million dollars of taxpayer money was spent, Starr's investigation led to Monica Lewinsky, which led to Bill lying about and later admitting his affairs.

 

Hillary’s devious game plan resulted in Bill losing his license to practice law for 'lying under oath' to a grand jury and then his subsequent impeachment by the House of Representatives.

 

Hillary avoided indictment for perjury and obstruction of justice during the Starr investigation by repeating, “I do not recall,” “I have no recollection,” and “I don’t know” a total of 56 times while under oath.

 

After leaving the White House, Hillary was forced to return an estimated $200,000 in White House furniture, china, and artwork that she had stolen.

 

What a swell party – ready for another four or eight year of this type of low-life mess?

 

Now we are exposed to the destruction of possibly incriminating emails while Hillary was Secretary of State and the “pay to play” schemes of the Clinton Foundation – we have no idea what shoe will fall next.

 

But to her loyal fans (supporters) - I guess in her own words “what difference does it make?”

And the crazy thing is, if Donald was a public figure and every one of his moves for his career was noted his mistakes and their impact would also be significant. Depending on your values and beliefs they could be considered worse. He's getting the benefit of not being in the public eye, and even more so, of you all not demanding that he answer any question with information, or that he disclose information like his tax returns etc. Two totally different standards.

 

Why can't republicans sell us their candidate based on accomplishments and policy, plans of action and accountability? Because Trump has offered none. Instead they focus on trying to take down every competitor like Mean Girls. In life most often you must prove yourself and then you can earn the right to compare against your competitor. How he's snowed everyone into not requiring anything of substance to back him is just mindblowing.

 

Andrea Mitchell said it quite well on Meet The Press: http://mediamatters.org/video/2016/03/27/nbcs-andrea-mitchell-donald-trump-is-completely/209566

[zoogs]

This whole thing with just Rs and Ds have the ability to be President is just ridiculous. Look at the British. They have many different parties that bring different view points to the table. Why is it set in stone that the US can only have two? Well, I believe the answer to that's two fold.

BRB, We don't have a remotely comparable system to the British. But I kind of wish we did.

 

First, the British do have just two major parties, Conservative and Labour, who are in opposition. They form coalitions with other minor parties, so in that sense it's not unlike the US at all, except we don't think of it that way -- but that's our problem, not reality's. The party who wins the most seats in Parliament has their leader installed as PM.

 

Their voters are not any less brainwashed by the parties to which they are loyal.

 

Austria has a presidential system and runoff elections. In the first one, votes are split among many parties. In the second, there are only two options and voters choose between them. We have the same thing, only the runoff is pseudo-private and not public. I agree that this is bizarre.

 

In the U.S, the November election is post-runoff. Most voters will simply organize into the two biggest camps, and that's out of rationality.

 

Political movements are happening constantly, and you'd be remiss to discredit that. But they happen within the existing parties. There are prominent wings in both that only stay because there's a unified front on the other side. It's a rigid, inflexible arrangement but it's a natural equilibrium, not an artifice. I'm not sure I like the arrangement, but I'm also not sure there's a clear best solution -- especially without changing the structure of U.S. government.

 

The LP & GP truly do cater to very minority interests. The only possible way they won't in the future is if they grow. They will do that by a large faction within the GOP, say -- a party of its own in all but name -- splits off and more or less takes over the LP. I think that's happened to an extent; I mean, these LP leaders are GOP guys who (rightly) chose to exit the coalition. I hope it continues, but then the LP won't be very libertarian by the end of it.

[Savage Husker]

 

Both candidates suck, one talks out of both sides of their mouth, the other with a foot in their mouth, but this broad is the real life version of Claire Underwood and her track record speaks for itself. The ineptitude of this individual is glaring. Passed along from a friend:

If you're under 50 you really need to read this. If you’re over 50, you lived through it, so share it with those under 50. Amazing to me how much I had forgotten!

When Bill Clinton was president, he allowed Hillary to assume authority over a health care reform. Even after threats and intimidation, she couldn’t even get a vote in a democratic controlled congress. This fiasco cost the American taxpayers about $13 million in cost for studies, promotion, and other efforts.

Then President Clinton gave Hillary authority over selecting a female attorney general. Her first two selections were Zoe Baird and Kimba Wood – both were forced to withdraw their names from consideration. Next she chose Janet Reno – husband Bill described her selection as “my worst mistake.” Some may not remember that Reno made the decision to gas David Koresh and the Branch Davidian religious sect in Waco, Texas resulting in dozens of deaths of women and children.

Husband Bill allowed Hillary to make recommendations for the head of the Civil Rights Commission. Lani Guanier was her selection. When a little probing led to the discovery of Ms. Guanier’s radical views, her name had to be withdrawn from consideration.

Apparently a slow learner, husband Bill allowed Hillary to make some more recommendations. She chose former law partners Web Hubbel for the Justice Department, Vince Foster for the White House staff, and William Kennedy for the Treasury Department. Her selections went well: Hubbel went to prison, Foster (presumably) committed suicide, and Kennedy was forced to resign.

Many younger votes will have no knowledge of “Travelgate.” Hillary wanted to award unfettered travel contracts to Clinton friend Harry Thompson – and the White House Travel Office refused to comply. She managed to have them reported to the FBI and fired. This ruined their reputations, cost them their jobs, and caused a thirty-six month investigation. Only one employee, Billy Dale was charged with a crime, and that of the enormous crime of mixing personal and White House funds. A jury acquitted him of any crime in less than two hours.

Still not convinced of her ineptness, Hillary was allowed to recommend a close Clinton friend, Craig Livingstone, for the position of Director of White House security. When Livingstone was investigated for the improper access of about 900 FBI files of Clinton enemies (Filegate) and the widespread use of drugs by White House staff, suddenly Hillary and the president denied even knowing Livingstone, and of course, denied knowledge of drug use in the White House.

Following this debacle, the FBI closed its White House Liaison Office after more than thirty years of service to seven presidents.

Next, when women started coming forward with allegations of sexual harassment and rape by Bill Clinton, Hillary was put in charge of the #$%$ eruption” and scandal defense. Some of her more notable decisions in the debacle were:

She urged her husband not to settle the Paula Jones lawsuit. After the Starr investigation they settled with Ms. Jones.

She refused to release the Whitewater documents, which led to the appointment of Ken Starr as Special Prosecutor.

After $80 million dollars of taxpayer money was spent, Starr's investigation led to Monica Lewinsky, which led to Bill lying about and later admitting his affairs.

Hillary’s devious game plan resulted in Bill losing his license to practice law for 'lying under oath' to a grand jury and then his subsequent impeachment by the House of Representatives.

Hillary avoided indictment for perjury and obstruction of justice during the Starr investigation by repeating, “I do not recall,” “I have no recollection,” and “I don’t know” a total of 56 times while under oath.

After leaving the White House, Hillary was forced to return an estimated $200,000 in White House furniture, china, and artwork that she had stolen.

What a swell party – ready for another four or eight year of this type of low-life mess?

Now we are exposed to the destruction of possibly incriminating emails while Hillary was Secretary of State and the “pay to play” schemes of the Clinton Foundation – we have no idea what shoe will fall next.

But to her loyal fans (supporters) - I guess in her own words “what difference does it make?”

 

And the crazy thing is, if Donald was a public figure and every one of his moves for his career was noted his mistakes and their impact would also be significant. Depending on your values and beliefs they could be considered worse. He's getting the benefit of not being in the public eye, and even more so, of you all not demanding that he answer any question with information, or that he disclose information like his tax returns etc. Two totally different standards.

 

Why can't republicans sell us their candidate based on accomplishments and policy, plans of action and accountability? Because Trump has offered none. Instead they focus on trying to take down every competitor like Mean Girls. In life most often you must prove yourself and then you can earn the right to compare against your competitor. How he's snowed everyone into not requiring anything of substance to back him is just mindblowing.

 

Andrea Mitchell said it quite well on Meet The Press: http://mediamatters.org/video/2016/03/27/nbcs-andrea-mitchell-donald-trump-is-completely/209566

Trump isn't a public figure? And hasn't been scrutinized over anything he is involved in? Interesting.

 

Republicans are the only party that tear a candidate down Mean Girls style? I spent 22 years in WA state and raised Christian and conservative, no where else have had my beliefs openly ridiculed and mocked more than the liberals of a state where they are concerned about treating everyone's opinion and rights equally.

 

I agree that Trump hasn't offered much for policies other than making brash comments about building a wall and kicking out Muslims. However, his healthcare ideas are better than what we're stuck with now, except for his idea about allow foreign pharmaceutical companies to import into the US. Reforming NAFTA is also a good idea too, that original deal has ended up benefitting only the elite and pinched the middle class.

 

If Trump wasn't a jackmonster, and started clearly outlining policies and his agendas, he would win in a landslide. The policies Hillary and dems are standing for shouldn't even be allowed in an American political platform. Their socialistic ideas are what this nation has stood up to and fought against. There was once a president that spoke about people giving to the country and not asking what the country can do for them, that democrat barely exists and is drowned out by the rest.

[Moiraine]

I quit reading Savage's post after the $13 million part. Congress probably spends that sneezing each day they're in session. Using it to try for healthcare reform is not even bad in my opinion. Lots of things are researched and never go to a vote

[knapplc]

I quit reading Savage's post after the $13 million part. Congress probably spends that sneezing each day they're in session. Using it to try for healthcare reform is not even bad in my opinion. Lots of things are researched and never go to a vote

I'd like a link proving Congress has been in session. I don't believe you.

[huKSer]

Why do a lot of people hate my Johnson? I'm happy with my Johnson. (SNL/ comedy central would have a field day)

[Savage Husker]

 

I quit reading Savage's post after the $13 million part. Congress probably spends that sneezing each day they're in session. Using it to try for healthcare reform is not even bad in my opinion. Lots of things are researched and never go to a vote

I'd like a link proving Congress has been in session. I don't believe you.

Mentality like that, I imagine you would be OK with your kid/spouse/etc. to wastefuly spend money and not bat an eye. Our government, and Hillary, spends money like It won't run out, but we shouldn't be concerned about that.

[knapplc]

 

 

I quit reading Savage's post after the $13 million part. Congress probably spends that sneezing each day they're in session. Using it to try for healthcare reform is not even bad in my opinion. Lots of things are researched and never go to a vote

I'd like a link proving Congress has been in session. I don't believe you.

 

Mentality like that, I imagine you would be OK with your kid/spouse/etc. to wastefuly spend money and not bat an eye. Our government, and Hillary, spends money like It won't run out, but we shouldn't be concerned about that.

 

You're talking about .0000032508127% of the budget.

[Savage Husker]

 

 

 

I quit reading Savage's post after the $13 million part. Congress probably spends that sneezing each day they're in session. Using it to try for healthcare reform is not even bad in my opinion. Lots of things are researched and never go to a vote

 

I'd like a link proving Congress has been in session. I don't believe you.

Mentality like that, I imagine you would be OK with your kid/spouse/etc. to wastefuly spend money and not bat an eye. Our government, and Hillary, spends money like It won't run out, but we shouldn't be concerned about that.

You're talking about .0000032508127% of the budget.

and that's the only occurrence of frivolous and misguided spending?

[knapplc]

 

 

 

 

I quit reading Savage's post after the $13 million part. Congress probably spends that sneezing each day they're in session. Using it to try for healthcare reform is not even bad in my opinion. Lots of things are researched and never go to a vote

I'd like a link proving Congress has been in session. I don't believe you.

Mentality like that, I imagine you would be OK with your kid/spouse/etc. to wastefuly spend money and not bat an eye. Our government, and Hillary, spends money like It won't run out, but we shouldn't be concerned about that.

You're talking about .0000032508127% of the budget.

and that's the only occurrence of frivolous and misguided spending?

 

By whom? Which person or party?

[knapplc]

My apologies. $13 million was .0000066326530612% of the 1993 budget. The numbers I gave above were for the 2016 budget.

[Savage Husker]

 

 

 

 

 

I quit reading Savage's post after the $13 million part. Congress probably spends that sneezing each day they're in session. Using it to try for healthcare reform is not even bad in my opinion. Lots of things are researched and never go to a vote

 

I'd like a link proving Congress has been in session. I don't believe you.

Mentality like that, I imagine you would be OK with your kid/spouse/etc. to wastefuly spend money and not bat an eye. Our government, and Hillary, spends money like It won't run out, but we shouldn't be concerned about that.

You're talking about .0000032508127% of the budget.

and that's the only occurrence of frivolous and misguided spending?

By whom? Which person or party?

both parties, many republicans don't practice what they preach either, Bush for one. And Obama has continued to expand the spending.

[BigRedBuster]

 

 

 

 

 

 

I quit reading Savage's post after the $13 million part. Congress probably spends that sneezing each day they're in session. Using it to try for healthcare reform is not even bad in my opinion. Lots of things are researched and never go to a vote

I'd like a link proving Congress has been in session. I don't believe you.

Mentality like that, I imagine you would be OK with your kid/spouse/etc. to wastefuly spend money and not bat an eye. Our government, and Hillary, spends money like It won't run out, but we shouldn't be concerned about that.

You're talking about .0000032508127% of the budget.

and that's the only occurrence of frivolous and misguided spending?

By whom? Which person or party?

both parties, many republicans don't practice what they preach either, Bush for one. And Obama has continued to expand the spending.

 

So, why are people voting for either one?

[Savage Husker]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I quit reading Savage's post after the $13 million part. Congress probably spends that sneezing each day they're in session. Using it to try for healthcare reform is not even bad in my opinion. Lots of things are researched and never go to a vote

 

I'd like a link proving Congress has been in session. I don't believe you.

Mentality like that, I imagine you would be OK with your kid/spouse/etc. to wastefuly spend money and not bat an eye. Our government, and Hillary, spends money like It won't run out, but we shouldn't be concerned about that.

You're talking about .0000032508127% of the budget.

and that's the only occurrence of frivolous and misguided spending?

By whom? Which person or party?

both parties, many republicans don't practice what they preach either, Bush for one. And Obama has continued to expand the spending.

So, why are people voting for either one?

I don't know, I don't plan to vote for either.