Warrior10 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 I'm adding WR to my concerns for this class. We have Nance (who I don't necessarily think is a game changer). The other 4 guys that have visited/shown interest are committed elsewhere or leaning heavily elsewhere. Outside if JD we haven't had a current player show us much/any reason for confidence next year. Who are our remaining legitimate targets? Hoping Trustin Oliver qualifies academically is the only one I can think of. 1 Quote Link to comment
ScottyIce Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Just now, Warrior10 said: I'm adding WR to my concerns for this class. We have Nance (who I don't necessarily think is a game changer). The other 4 guys that have visited/shown interest are committed elsewhere or leaning heavily elsewhere. Outside if JD we haven't had a current player show us much/any reason for confidence next year. Who are our remaining legitimate targets? Hoping Trustin Oliver qualifies academically is the only one I can think of. Any possible Grad Transfers from UCF? Quote Link to comment
Warrior10 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 1 hour ago, ScottyIce said: Any possible Grad Transfers from UCF? It'd be hard for me to leave Milton if I was them. Quote Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 3 hours ago, StPaulHusker said: 4 star recruiting for Nebraska over the past few years according to 247 Lindsey-Gone Blades-Never made it Roberts-Gone Gebbia-Gone McQuitty-Battling injuries KJJ-Gone Jackson-underperforming Rairdon-Not seeing the field POB-Gone Dismuke-Playing-Serviceable Farniok-Graded well in last game according to BTN-Serviceable Lee-Mostly underperformed but is now a starter Barnett-Gone Stevenson-Gone Anderson-Rarely sees the field Farmer-Serviceable at times Gates-Left early for NFL. Serviceable Foster-Serviceable Newby-Good Gregory-Amazing Taylor-Never played Banderas-Serviceable Stanton-transfer Newby (LB)-Serviceable Natter-Rarely played Thurston-Transfered McMullen-Transfered Westerkamp-Damn good Cross-Good Armstrong-Good Rose-Ivey-Good when healthy Afalava-Left team Seisay-Serviceable Green-Transfered Turner-Not too good Jackson-Rarely played-Injured Starling-Never made it Moore-Transfered Stafford-Pretty good Peat-Transfered Reeves-? Klachko-Transfered Heard-Transfered Rodriguez-Serviceable Cooper-Okay Hardrick-Pretty good Rome-Transfered Green-Transfered Ankrah-Serviceable Washington-? Williams-No idea who this is Steinkuhler-Serviceable Compton-Very good Williams-No idea who this is 54 4 stars since 2008-2017 18 (33%) Transferred before eligibility was up 2 Never made it on the team 5 never have or rarely play(ed) 11 I would say played or are playing a serviceable role. 2 Underperforming 4 I have no idea what their contribution was 12 Good to Great (in my humble opinion) 12 4 stars out of 54 in 10 recruiting classes. That preformed at about or above their recruiting ranking 11 4 stars playing at or below their ranking We need better 2 hours ago, StPaulHusker said: That is all just very very depressing. But....is a major MAJOR reason why we are where we are. Quote Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 I'll give an opinion on why I think our highest rated players have not panned out. This is an example from the Riley era and I'll admit I don't know how this would have played out under Bo. I have a friend whose son walked on as an LB. This kid could hit harder than anyone I've ever seen play HS football around here. After his Junior year, he quit and I was surprised but never really inquired as to why. A few weeks ago the Dad opened up about what the final straw was. The Dad was at practice one day and saw his first hand. They were doing tackling drills. The kid I know, supposedly totally lit up a scholarship RB. He thought he had done something really good. When he turned around, Diaco was in his face yelling at him...pissed off.....telling him to go sit on the bench for the rest of practice and NEVER embarrass a scholarship player again on his practice field. The kid quit the next day. We have got to get to the point where these guys coming in are instilled with the idea that their ranking or scholarship status has NOTHING to do with if they get playing time. Once they are here, it's all a competition to get on the field and you will be competing with EVERYONE. I FIRMLY believe this is what Frost is trying to instill into the system and I completely support him. 2 Quote Link to comment
ScottyIce Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 5 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said: I'll give an opinion on why I think our highest rated players have not panned out. This is an example from the Riley era and I'll admit I don't know how this would have played out under Bo. I have a friend whose son walked on as an LB. This kid could hit harder than anyone I've ever seen play HS football around here. After his Junior year, he quit and I was surprised but never really inquired as to why. A few weeks ago the Dad opened up about what the final straw was. The Dad was at practice one day and saw his first hand. They were doing tackling drills. The kid I know, supposedly totally lit up a scholarship RB. He thought he had done something really good. When he turned around, Diaco was in his face yelling at him...pissed off.....telling him to go sit on the bench for the rest of practice and NEVER embarrass a scholarship player again on his practice field. The kid quit the next day. We have got to get to the point where these guys coming in are instilled with the idea that their ranking or scholarship status has NOTHING to do with if they get playing time. Once they are here, it's all a competition to get on the field and you will be competing with EVERYONE. I FIRMLY believe this is what Frost is trying to instill into the system and I completely support him. Oh my god. If that’s the culture we were instilling in our Players than lord help us. Thank god we have Frost. Quote Link to comment
StPaulHusker Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 13 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said: I'll give an opinion on why I think our highest rated players have not panned out. This is an example from the Riley era and I'll admit I don't know how this would have played out under Bo. I have a friend whose son walked on as an LB. This kid could hit harder than anyone I've ever seen play HS football around here. After his Junior year, he quit and I was surprised but never really inquired as to why. A few weeks ago the Dad opened up about what the final straw was. The Dad was at practice one day and saw his first hand. They were doing tackling drills. The kid I know, supposedly totally lit up a scholarship RB. He thought he had done something really good. When he turned around, Diaco was in his face yelling at him...pissed off.....telling him to go sit on the bench for the rest of practice and NEVER embarrass a scholarship player again on his practice field. The kid quit the next day. We have got to get to the point where these guys coming in are instilled with the idea that their ranking or scholarship status has NOTHING to do with if they get playing time. Once they are here, it's all a competition to get on the field and you will be competing with EVERYONE. I FIRMLY believe this is what Frost is trying to instill into the system and I completely support him. Would not surprise me one bit that Diaco would do something like that. Quote Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 10 minutes ago, ScottyIce said: Oh my god. If that’s the culture we were instilling in our Players than lord help us. Thank god we have Frost. 2 minutes ago, StPaulHusker said: Would not surprise me one bit that Diaco would do something like that. I can't think of why the Dad that I know would have made up the story. He actually played smaller college football and understands the issues around teams and programs. Quote Link to comment
Vince R. Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 10 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said: I'll give an opinion on why I think our highest rated players have not panned out. This is an example from the Riley era and I'll admit I don't know how this would have played out under Bo. I have a friend whose son walked on as an LB. This kid could hit harder than anyone I've ever seen play HS football around here. After his Junior year, he quit and I was surprised but never really inquired as to why. A few weeks ago the Dad opened up about what the final straw was. The Dad was at practice one day and saw his first hand. They were doing tackling drills. The kid I know, supposedly totally lit up a scholarship RB. He thought he had done something really good. When he turned around, Diaco was in his face yelling at him...pissed off.....telling him to go sit on the bench for the rest of practice and NEVER embarrass a scholarship player again on his practice field. The kid quit the next day. We have got to get to the point where these guys coming in are instilled with the idea that their ranking or scholarship status has NOTHING to do with if they get playing time. Once they are here, it's all a competition to get on the field and you will be competing with EVERYONE. I FIRMLY believe this is what Frost is trying to instill into the system and I completely support him. Thank you for this story. Unfortunately, I am not surprised. Coaches do this a lot actually. Scholarship guys are just valued more by the coaches, even if they are consistently being outplayed by walk-ons. There is a lot that goes into protecting scholarship players that many don't think about off the top of their heads. For example, not utilizing, developing, or "protecting" a scholarship player could get back to the player's hs coach, and he might not recommend another one of his athletes to that coach. Many coaches take pride in their evaluation and recruiting so much that they become stubborn to ever play the walk-on who is clearly better. Our own staff does this. I have on good authority that Ethan Cox is much better than LJ, but of course the scholarship guy gets the nod. Scholarships are investments that coaches feel they need to exhaust until it proves insufficient, and even then.... It's the awful politics of college football. Quote Link to comment
StPaulHusker Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said: I can't think of why the Dad that I know would have made up the story. He actually played smaller college football and understands the issues around teams and programs. There's no reason to make up the story. It doesn't benefit anyone in anyway. It seems very, very believable. Quote Link to comment
Minnesota_husker Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 49 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said: I'll give an opinion on why I think our highest rated players have not panned out. This is an example from the Riley era and I'll admit I don't know how this would have played out under Bo. I have a friend whose son walked on as an LB. This kid could hit harder than anyone I've ever seen play HS football around here. After his Junior year, he quit and I was surprised but never really inquired as to why. A few weeks ago the Dad opened up about what the final straw was. The Dad was at practice one day and saw his first hand. They were doing tackling drills. The kid I know, supposedly totally lit up a scholarship RB. He thought he had done something really good. When he turned around, Diaco was in his face yelling at him...pissed off.....telling him to go sit on the bench for the rest of practice and NEVER embarrass a scholarship player again on his practice field. The kid quit the next day. We have got to get to the point where these guys coming in are instilled with the idea that their ranking or scholarship status has NOTHING to do with if they get playing time. Once they are here, it's all a competition to get on the field and you will be competing with EVERYONE. I FIRMLY believe this is what Frost is trying to instill into the system and I completely support him. Diaco must have hated Rudy. 1 Quote Link to comment
ScottyIce Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Vince R. said: Thank you for this story. Unfortunately, I am not surprised. Coaches do this a lot actually. Scholarship guys are just valued more by the coaches, even if they are consistently being outplayed by walk-ons. There is a lot that goes into protecting scholarship players that many don't think about off the top of their heads. For example, not utilizing, developing, or "protecting" a scholarship player could get back to the player's hs coach, and he might not recommend another one of his athletes to that coach. Many coaches take pride in their evaluation and recruiting so much that they become stubborn to ever play the walk-on who is clearly better. Our own staff does this. I have on good authority that Ethan Cox is much better than LJ, but of course the scholarship guy gets the nod. Scholarships are investments that coaches feel they need to exhaust until it proves insufficient, and even then.... It's the awful politics of college football. Oh, but we will start Warner over Lindsey? Quote Link to comment
4skers89 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Vince R. said: Thank you for this story. Unfortunately, I am not surprised. Coaches do this a lot actually. Scholarship guys are just valued more by the coaches, even if they are consistently being outplayed by walk-ons. There is a lot that goes into protecting scholarship players that many don't think about off the top of their heads. For example, not utilizing, developing, or "protecting" a scholarship player could get back to the player's hs coach, and he might not recommend another one of his athletes to that coach. Many coaches take pride in their evaluation and recruiting so much that they become stubborn to ever play the walk-on who is clearly better. Our own staff does this. I have on good authority that Ethan Cox is much better than LJ, but of course the scholarship guy gets the nod. Scholarships are investments that coaches feel they need to exhaust until it proves insufficient, and even then.... It's the awful politics of college football. I think I’d rather they protect the walkon program by giving fair shakes to the walkon players rather then some HS coach sending us soft entitled players. It’s up to the scholarship players to protect their starting status. I assume that’s what you mean by protecting? Disco is an idiot. Quote Link to comment
Vince R. Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, ScottyIce said: Oh, but we will start Warner over Lindsey? Warner over Mike Williams. 1 Quote Link to comment
Vince R. Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 5 minutes ago, 4skers89 said: I think I’d rather they protect the walkon program by giving fair shakes to the walkon players rather then some HS coach sending us soft entitled players. It’s up to the scholarship players to protect their starting status. I assume that’s what you mean by protecting? Disco is an idiot. In theory you are correct, but it just isn't reality. There are so many different factors beyond my one example. The point is that many coaches will exhaust every option with a scholarship player before they plug in the walk-on. Quote Link to comment
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