StPaulHusker Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 1 minute ago, BigRedBuster said: I thank him for taking one for the good of the country 1 Link to comment
NM11046 Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 This only goest to 2014 so I know there are more but I find it fascinating. These are our supposed educated and aware gun owners. I think there was another issue recently in NH with a gun going off during a state house event, and that's what made me look this up. Quote Last week, Colorado state Rep. Jared Wright, a Republican, left his handgunin a canvas bag in the state capitol—following a hearing on rolling back concealed carry laws. Wright, a former police officer, told the Denver Post he will stop carrying his revolver to committee meetings. He wasn’t the first public servant in recent memory to forget, shoot, drop, or otherwise unintentionally mishandle a firearm: 2014 Kentucky state Rep. Leslie Combs, a Democrat, accidentally fires a gun in her capitol office while attempting to empty it in front of another lawmaker. 2013 West Virginia Del. Kelli Sobonya drops her handgun in a meeting with Gov. Earl Ray Tomblin. “I said, ‘Hey, Governor, you don’t have to worry; I have my permit,'” she tells the Charleston Daily Mail. Dave Evans, an aide to Missouri House Speaker Tim Jones, leaves a loaded gun on top of a capitol bathroom toilet paper dispenser. Texas state Rep. Drew Darby is arrested at an Austin airport after a loaded .380 Ruger is found in his carry-on bag. 2012 New Hampshire state Rep. Kyle Tasker explains that he dropped one of his two handguns on the floor of the capitol because he was “loopy” from just donating blood. 2011 More butterfingered Granite State Republicans: State Rep. George Lambert drops his holstered gun outside the statehouse. State Rep. Paul Mirski drops his firearm during a meeting and doesn’t get around to picking it up until the event adjourns. 2008 Oklahoma state Rep. Sally Kern is caught bringing a loaded handgun into the capitol in her purse. “As soon as my purse went through the scanner and the uh, gentleman there said, ‘Representative Kern,’ I went, ‘Aw, I forgot!,'” Kern tells a local news station. It’s the second time in two months. 2007 An aide to Democratic Virginia Sen. James Webb is arrested for carrying his boss’ loaded gun into a Senate office building. 2006 Virginia Del. Jack Reid fires his handgun in his office as he’s trying to remove the clip. The round strikes a bulletproof vest hanging on a door. Vice President Dick Cheney hits a hunting companion in the face with birdshot while hunting quail in Texas. 2002 A pistol goes off as it’s being handed to Georgia Rep. Bob Barr at a reception. Explains the lobbyist who passed the gun, “We were handling it safely, except that it was loaded.” 1 Link to comment
OTHusker Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 I own guns but do not conceal carry I have a few friends who do no Problem with those who choose not to however I live on an acreage near a big city and neighbors aren’t near so while I feel pretty safe I do want home protection more importantly I’m very aware of world history where countless governments disarmed their populace and then harmed those they disarmed not willing to put myself in that position letting history repeat itself Link to comment
NM11046 Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Nvmd - too tired for this nonsensical debate. Link to comment
deedsker Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 5 hours ago, OTHusker said: more importantly I’m very aware of world history where countless governments disarmed their populace and then harmed those they disarmed not willing to put myself in that position letting history repeat itself I want to make sure I have my rifle in hand when the government tanks come rolling down Main Street. I am sure that it will help. 1 Link to comment
OTHusker Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 8 hours ago, deedsker said: I want to make sure I have my rifle in hand when the government tanks come rolling down Main Street. I am sure that it will help. As it seems the us military has struggled to defeat even very small even tiny “armies” armed primarily with small arms iraq syria Afghanistan vietnam there are over 300,000,000 guns and over 300,000,000 people in the us I’m guessing that might be a bit of a deterrent since the us military had a tough time defeating “armies “ of 10,000-200,000 men Link to comment
OTHusker Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 It is arrogant to think that history couldn’t somehow repeat itself again right here in the us all of the major genocides were preceded by confiscating the weapons of the targeted populace While there may be debate on the actual numbers it’s fairly safe to say genocide against 50-100 million people was preceded by very effective confiscation of the murdered groups weapons Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 I find it interesting that the right is the side so scared of the government that they feel they need guns.....but then vote in the most authoritarian President that doesn’t care about over stepping his legal limits to get what he wants and praises the most brutal dictators in the world while pushing away the most pro democracy leaders. Sounds like the right should be scared of themselves. . 5 Link to comment
NM11046 Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 I didn't see anybody here debating that history repeats itself. It's happening now, here in the US, it just has nothing to do with guns. The scariest part is the ones that are supporting the man who is step by step repeating some of the most horrific historical actions are also the ones that think they need an arsenal in their homes and on their bodies. What you're being sold as the reason you need to defend yourself isn't against a tyrannical government, it's against minorities who are "coming over the mexican border to rape your wives, steal your jobs, murder your children". Just watch 2 mins of any talk from the CPAC meeting this weekend. It was a weekend long cult commercial. 1 Link to comment
OTHusker Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 8 hours ago, deedsker said: I want to make sure I have my rifle in hand when the government tanks come rolling down Main Street. I am sure that it will help. Interesting article here an armed populace need not be able to defeat its oppresors, but just raise the cost of doing so enough to deter aggression it cites examples like the Turks massacre of 2,000,000 Armenians in the early 1900s and the slaughter of 2,000,000 Cambodians by the Khmer Rouge immediately following gun confiscation programs were enforced there are many more examples https://openscholarship.wustl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1582&context=law_lawreview 1 Link to comment
OTHusker Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 On 2/10/2019 at 11:36 PM, schriznoeder said: Both sides overstate their positions to try and make their point- both sides the us had about 11,000 gun deaths due to one person shooting another yes 11,000 people in a population of 330,000,000 is too many however the number isn’t 39,000 either like these numbers suggest suicides make up a good portion of those numbers in many wealthy countries suicides happen by gun at rates much higher than one could imagine and other methods https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States Link to comment
NM11046 Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Do you think there is value in lessening the number of gun related suicides in the US? Link to comment
OTHusker Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 On 2/10/2019 at 11:36 PM, schriznoeder said: Ok so the weapons that most want to ban are assault style weapons correct? According to the leftist Huffington post assault style weapons were responsible for less than 1 percent of gun injuries https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5763109de4b015db1bc8c123/amp Link to comment
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