Repealing the ACA under Trump

[BigRedBuster]

Here is a good article on how difficult it will be to replace and improve the ACA.

 

 

The problem with this issue is that each side panders to their base and doesn't think the other side's concerns are valid.

 

When the ACA was put in place, one of the biggest problems with the design was that it seems every time the Democrats came up against a road block, they had the attitude of..."Well, companies can pay for it".....or...."Businesses can just do this for us".

 

The problem from the other side is that Republicans have felt that the uninsured in America isn't that big of a deal. They need to go get a job and start paying their own way....bla bla bla.....

 

BOTH attitudes are wrong and as long as each side feels this way, we won't get a real solution.

[BigRedBuster]

Man, I dislike him. What a wet noodle. He's so uncomfortable actually having to look at his people.

I'm not sure how you get that from the clip. It seems to me that he was being respectable and allowing the woman to speak her mind without interrupting her.

[NM11046]

 

Man, I dislike him. What a wet noodle. He's so uncomfortable actually having to look at his people.

I'm not sure how you get that from the clip. It seems to me that he was being respectable and allowing the woman to speak her mind without interrupting her.

 

It was his smirk, and how he looked away to try and be rescued toward the end. He was respectful in listening, and didn't interrupt yes. But comfortable he was not.

[BigRedBuster]

 

 

Man, I dislike him. What a wet noodle. He's so uncomfortable actually having to look at his people.

I'm not sure how you get that from the clip. It seems to me that he was being respectable and allowing the woman to speak her mind without interrupting her.

 

It was his smirk, and how he looked away to try and be rescued toward the end. He was respectful in listening, and didn't interrupt yes. But comfortable he was not.

 

Anyone in that situation with someone yelling at them in front of a large crowd would be uncomfortable. You would be to as so would I.

 

I don't see this as a condemnation moment.

 

Hey....at least he is respectable enough to get up in front of the crowd. I'm reading that one hell of a lot of these people aren't big enough to do that.

[NM11046]

 

 

 

Man, I dislike him. What a wet noodle. He's so uncomfortable actually having to look at his people.

I'm not sure how you get that from the clip. It seems to me that he was being respectable and allowing the woman to speak her mind without interrupting her.

 

It was his smirk, and how he looked away to try and be rescued toward the end. He was respectful in listening, and didn't interrupt yes. But comfortable he was not.

 

Anyone in that situation with someone yelling at them in front of a large crowd would be uncomfortable. You would be to as so would I.

 

I don't see this as a condemnation moment.

 

Hey....at least he is respectable enough to at least get up in front of the crowd. I'm reading that one hell of a lot of these people aren't big enough to do that.

 

Absolutely appreciate that he's taking time to meet with his constituents. I'm not exactly sure what we're debating here BRB. I don't like the guy. I appreciate that he didn't interrupt the lady, but I find him to be arrogant, weak and slimy and it angers me that he has the power to impact so much of what I think is important in the US right now. I feel for his constituents.

 

And he will do what he always does - listen to them with a blank face and then do whatever it is that his party tells him to. It would be more interesting for the public to hear how he responded to the women who spoke rather than just cut the video off after her rant. But I'll give you a clue, he said "I hope you feel better now." He didn't even acknowledge her questions about coal mining jobs not coming back and how sick those people and veterans are in their area - that they need the ACA.

[BigRedBuster]

My point is.....what happens so often in American politics. We don't like policies that a certain politician believes in or stands for. So, we start nit picking constantly at them. Their simple existence pisses us off and disgusts us. The same thing happened with conservatives with Obama or Hillary. I probably have fallen into some of that with Trump.

 

I just get so sick and tired of that crap instead of actually debating the issues.

[zoogs]

I really like this "we're going to keep the 26 age limit and pre-existing conditions policies of the ACA" line the Republicans are beginning to adopt.

 

To me, that *is* basically the ACA. At least, it's the core framework. If they are genuinely interested in keeping it, the ACA is not going to get dismantled or even made over.

[BigRedBuster]

I really like this "we're going to keep the 26 age limit and pre-existing conditions policies of the ACA" line the Republicans are beginning to adopt.

 

To me, that *is* basically the ACA. At least, it's the core framework. If they are genuinely interested in keeping it, the ACA is not going to get dismantled or even made over.

I'm confused on how you think that the 26 age limit and pre-existing conditions basically is the ACA. There is one hell of a lot more to it than that. Some good and some really really bad.

 

You can keep those two parts of the ACA and still have a major overhaul of the ACA or healthcare in general.

[zoogs]

The individual mandate grows out of the pre-existing conditions requirement, as I understand it.

[NM11046]

My point is.....what happens so often in American politics. We don't like policies that a certain politician believes in or stands for. So, we start nit picking constantly at them. Their simple existence pisses us off and disgusts us. The same thing happened with conservatives with Obama or Hillary. I probably have fallen into some of that with Trump.

 

I just get so sick and tired of that crap instead of actually debating the issues.

I can see your point and agree.

 

Here's an article that gets into the deets with his Q&A session - or rather Q no A. I just feel that he isn't doing his job by the people (and likely many other politicians), but he is very visible, just like Chaffetz from UT is very visible right now.

 

http://www.nationalmemo.com/audience-demands-mcconnell/

[knapplc]

[Danny Bateman]

 

It's b#llshit like this that make people distrust Trump. He doesn't have to give a single thought to optics because the Republicans are without ethics and the Democrats are, as they have been for a while, impotent.

 

Watch this Anthem deal. They specifically mention that this guy, who lobbied FOR Anthem, could once again lead the DOJ antitrust unit. If he does and that Anthem deal goes through unchecked, they've literally bought their merger.

[knapplc]

This list is two years old.

 

20 Times GOP Leaders Have Promised Their Own Obamacare Replacement Plan

 

Here's a rundown of 20 times the Republican leaders who run Congress suggested that they will offer their own health care plan. To date, they have not endorsed one.

 

"We are listening, and we are committed to repealing Obamacare so we can replace it with patient-centered reforms that lower costs and protect jobs."
—Speaker John Boehner; Feb. 3, 2015 in a statement

"Today’s vote to repeal Obamacare is the first step to achieving real reforms that lower costs and put patients back in charge of their health care decisions."
—House Majority Whip Steve Scalise; Feb. 3, 2015 in a statement

"There are three committee chairmen that have the jurisdiction over the health care policy in our country. And those three chairman are working to craft what we believe would be a better approach to health care than Obamacare. There will be an alternative, and you'll get to see it."
—Speaker John Boehner; Jan. 28, 2015 on Fox News

"If we had the ability to do it, we ought to pull it out root and branch and start over. The chances of that happening with Barack Obama of 'Obamacare' in the White House are slim, but we're going to make the effort."
—Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell; Jan. 28, 2015 on "60 Minutes"

"We're working on this. Having discussions amongst our members, got a lot of divergent views about how best to go back to a doctor/patient relationship that’s revered, about rewarding medical professionals as opposed to all those rules that are coming down and frankly driving doctors out of the system."
—Speaker John Boehner; Jan. 25, 2015 on "60 Minutes"

"You know, the discussions about Obamacare and what the replacement bill would look like continue. We're trying to build consensus around one plan. Not there yet." —Speaker John Boehner; July 24, 2014 at a Capitol news conference

"Our goal is to show the American people what we believe would work better. I believe we will. We'll continue to roll them out as we develop them."
—Speaker John Boehner; March 26, 2014 on Capitol Hill

"Our members will offer an alternative when it comes to Obamacare. We'll offer better solutions on jobs, on job training, education and a host of other issues while Democrats will sit on the sidelines and we'll continue to lead and offer better solutions for the American people."
—Speaker John Boehner; February 27, 2014 at a Capitol news conference

"As we continue to work to finalize our Obamacare replacement plan, we will also act to highlight and address the serious consequences of the law."
—House Majority Leader Eric Cantor; Feb. 21, 2014, memo to Republicans

"We had an alternative when they passed Obamacare. ... But we’ve got other bills that have been introduced over the last year by various members of our conference. So we’re going to have a conversation today about the way forward on Obamacare."
—Speaker John Boehner; Jan. 30, 2014 at a GOP retreat

"This year, we will rally around an alternative to Obamacare and pass it on the floor of the House."
—House Majority Leader Eric Cantor; Jan. 30, 2014 at a GOP retreat

"(To) repeal Obamacare ... isn't the answer. The answer is repeal and replace. The challenge is that Obamacare is the law of the land."
—Speaker John Boehner; April 25, 2014 at the Middletown Rotary Club

"It's one of the big issues for conversation in terms of our agenda for this year, and I think you’ll see Republicans come forward with a plan to replace Obamacare."
—Speaker John Boehner; Jan. 16, 2014, at a Capitol news conference

"The American people want to be able to pick their own type of health insurance. They want to be able to pick their own doctors. They want to be able to pick their own hospital. That is what a patient-centered health care system looks like."
—Speaker John Boehner; Dec. 3, 2013 on Capitol Hill

"I expect our conference in the coming weeks to have a discussion about Obamacare and how we're going to deal with it, and what the replacement legislation would look like."
—Speaker John Boehner; May 16, 2013, quoted by Politico

"Listen, there are a lot of provisions that can be replaced. Remember, I said, we want to take a common-sense, step-by-step approach to replacing Obamacare." —Speaker John Boehner; July 1, 2012 on "Face The Nation"

"We’ll do everything we can to delay and defund the provisions of the bill so that we can get some discussion going on how we can replace it."
—House Majority Leader Eric Cantor; Jan. 19, 2011, quoted by Bloomberg

"We'll start tomorrow with a replacement. The difference is that we'll lower the cost. The difference is the American public will be a part of it."
—House Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy; Jan. 19, 2011 at a news conference (via Nexis)

"I just think it's time to listen to the American people and — and to do this the right way. The Congress can do better in terms of replacing Obamacare with commonsense reforms that will bring down the cost of health insurance and expand access to more Americans."
—Speaker John Boehner; Jan. 19, 2011 at a news conference (via Nexis)

"We offer a plan to repeal and replace the government takeover of health care with commonsense solutions focused on lowering costs and protecting American jobs."
—House GOP "Pledge To America" released Sept. 2010

 

 

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Turns out blaming the other party is easy when you're in the minority. When you can actually pass laws, governing becomes much harder.