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Thank you Moiraine. That information and data would indicate that what has increased is our exposure and awareness rather than a real increase in racial problems. That actually makes me feel better knowing that society really is improving for minorites. That jives a lot better with my personal experiences than the news we have been flooded with for the past couple of years.

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This story isn't about Donald Trump. But to think that we are only concerned with the personal racism or not of one man would be to miss the boat entirely.WaPo: 'Ape in heels' - WV officials under fire after comments about Michelle Obama

After Donald Trump’s election as president, Pamela Ramsey Taylor, who was director of Clay County Development Corp. in Clay, a tiny town outside Charleston, reportedly posted about the move from Michelle Obama to Melania Trump on Facebook, saying: “It will be so refreshing to have a classy, beautiful, dignified First Lady back in the White House. I’m tired of seeing a Ape in heels,” according to NBC affiliate WSAZ.The news station reported that the town’s mayor, Beverly Whaling, then replied, “Just made my day Pam.”

Zoogs- Comments like those just turn my stomach. WTH is wrong with some people? I don't even know where you begin to set somebody like that straight. I guess we just have to wait for their ilk to die off.

 

I've told this story on HB before but years ago when I was at UNL, a group of us drove down to the Nebraska- Auburn football game (when we had the triplets and Bo Jackson played for Auburn). We spent the first night at our fraternity chapter house at Mississippi State. Sure I'd heard the bad words etc. before but it is really an eye opener when you're sitting on a porch having a beer and a couple black guys come walking down the street, minding their own business, and out of the blue one of the guys from their frat yells out "where ya goin' boy" with a level of disdain and hatred I had never seen before. I felt terrible for those two guys who just put their heads down and picked up the pace. I was just dumbfounded. It would never occur to me to do that based on somebody's skin color. I wish I could say I did something to help make it right but I was in such disbelief I just did nothing. Yeah, that was Mississippi in the early 80's but it was an eye opener for a kid from Columbus Nebraska. Anyway, yes, there are racist POS's still stealing our air, even today.

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It's absolutely true that life has been on a steady slant of improvement for minorities and PoC, and that's something to find hope in.

 

It's also true that there are far, FAR worse countries to be stuck in as disadvantaged people - billions of people across the globe would kill to have even our worst leaders.

 

It's also true that our government, our institutions, our internalized biases and our history do not lend themselves to equality for all people, and we still have a long ways to go.

 

Even when we feel people are over-exaggerating their perceived slights, or we get tired of the same sensationalized narratives, or frustrated when it feels like no matter what we say someone takes issue with it, may we always default to the posture of remembering that most of us have never had to walk in any pairs of shoes except the most advantaged ones.

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It's absolutely true that life has been on a steady slant of improvement for minorities and PoC, and that's something to find hope in.

 

It's also true that there are far, FAR worse countries to be stuck in as disadvantaged people - billions of people across the globe would kill to have even our worst leaders.

 

It's also true that our government, our institutions, our internalized biases and our history do not lend themselves to equality for all people, and we still have a long ways to go.

 

Even when we feel people are over-exaggerating their perceived slights, or we get tired of the same sensationalized narratives, or frustrated when it feels like no matter what we say someone takes issue with it, may we always default to the posture of remembering that most of us have never had to walk in any pairs of shoes except the most advantaged ones.

 

Agree with all of this. Things are improving but still need to get way better.

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Wow. That's a wrenching story, JJ. :(

 

Their ilk will never die off. I don't know what to do about it exactly. On the one hand I like public pressure in these situations, and it certainly doesn't seem like those people are fit for public office. On the other, they just bottle up the anger and end up thinking, "These high-minded elites getting offended, attacking me for words and forcing me to act their game...what is America coming to?"

 

You can't ever force people to change and there's a lot of human nature. On the other hand I think shining a light is generally good, and our culture comes a long way through recognizing and affirming these shared values. But you'll never snuff out the reactionaries. I mean, this wasn't one totally isolated woman coming up with original thoughts, and Michelle Obama isn't a rare modern-day target (see Serena Williams!)

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Wow. That's a wrenching story, JJ. :(Their ilk will never die off. I don't know what to do about it exactly. On the one hand I like public pressure in these situations, and it certainly doesn't seem like those people are fit for public office. On the other, they just bottle up the anger and end up thinking, "These high-minded elites getting offended, attacking me for words and forcing me to act their game...what is America coming to?"You can't ever force people to change and there's a lot of human nature. On the other hand I think shining a light is generally good, and our culture comes a long way through recognizing and affirming these shared values. But you'll never snuff out the reactionaries. I mean, this wasn't one totally isolated woman coming up with original thoughts, and Michelle Obama isn't a rare modern-day target (see Serena Williams!)

Agree, those people will always exist. The best we can hope for is to keep lessening their numbers and keep making progress so they do not feel emboldened to crawl out of their holes to spew their hatred.

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Wow. That's a wrenching story, JJ. :(Their ilk will never die off. I don't know what to do about it exactly. On the one hand I like public pressure in these situations, and it certainly doesn't seem like those people are fit for public office. On the other, they just bottle up the anger and end up thinking, "These high-minded elites getting offended, attacking me for words and forcing me to act their game...what is America coming to?"You can't ever force people to change and there's a lot of human nature. On the other hand I think shining a light is generally good, and our culture comes a long way through recognizing and affirming these shared values. But you'll never snuff out the reactionaries. I mean, this wasn't one totally isolated woman coming up with original thoughts, and Michelle Obama isn't a rare modern-day target (see Serena Williams!)

Agree, those people will always exist. The best we can hope for is to keep lessening their numbers and keep making progress so they do not feel emboldened to crawl out of their holes to spew their hatred.

 

Sorry to bring it back to the topic at hand, but electing Trump definitely isn't going to help with the bolded.

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Agree, those people will always exist. The best we can hope for is to keep lessening their numbers and keep making progress so they do not feel emboldened to crawl out of their holes to spew their hatred.

I definitely agree with this. The lone caveat being people who feel like society is forcing them to crawl into holes, that's not a healthy thing either and they will react with force. I feel like those are the roots of the counter-culture backlash.

 

On the other hand, the good news to me is that I think America is much stronger, and much better at this, than Europe. Facing up to diversity isn't easy and it's messy, but we have so much experience with that and our multiculturalism is a serious point of pride here.

 

JJ -- I'm starting to feel you're a real progressive at heart :)

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He literally called Mexicans 'rapists' in his campaign announcement.

Wow. Well that seems racist all right. Did he really say that? I mean, sure, a fair percentage of illegals from Mexico are probably criminals. Like the ones smuggling drugs. But suspect the percentage of drug smugglers is fairly small. I think most illegal immigrants sneak across the border to get jobs.

Why are you asking these things now? Seems like something you should have looked into before the elections (especially if you voted for him).

 

 

Racist or not, I wouldn't have voted for DT.

 

I am asking this now because of the huge outcry since the election—on both HB and around the nation—about Trump being a racist. The discussion of him being a racist has gone up exponentially in the past couple of days.

 

He is not a racist. He made a comment about Mexico not sending their best but instead we have had criminals come over our border (this is undeniable). The left used this to message that he is a racist. I used to be much into politics but really learned all you need to know from my dad. I fought him for years on this but he always told me "Son, there are only two things you need to do as a politician...1) Get elected/re-elected and 2) Embarrass the other party." If you look at politicians through this lens, you will basically have the answer on 90% of the stuff that has caused so much angst in our country It makes things really simple. Just choose the party that you align with more and go with that. If you want government to be the answer to everything, want redistribution of wealth, lean socially liberal, want abortion, are anti-gun, then vote left...if you want smaller government, lower taxes, are pro business, are socially conservative, pro-life, pro-gun, then vote right. Most the noise surrounding Trump was stupid and just to cause distraction and embarrass him. While Clinton was the most corrupt politician of our lifetime. The protests going on now...much of it noise to embarrass the other side...damn, people are getting paid good $ to protest....this is what you do when you want to embarrass the other side...you pay them to go make a fuss. Stop being a pawn and think for yourself.

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Trump brought most of it on himself, if you ask me. This was not (merely) politics as usual.

 

We keep seeing reports that people are being paid "good money" to protest. Can we substantiate that? I mean, I know so many people who went to protest, and I know they are genuinely upset and want their voice heard.

 

Think what you want about Trump, but please don't subscribe to a fiction that an opposition to him does not exist. The opposition is substantial. Far more so than the protests that have happened.

 

Since you say this is undeniable, can you also quantify the criminal activity from Mexico? I think the facts paint such a different picture as to render his repeated insistence irresponsible. (Not to say that criminals don't come over the border).

 

And look, on this topic, it's really not about whether Trump, personally, is a dedicated racist. But he's certainly dedicated his cluelessness on a lot of these issues. He's used some pretty bad tropes as part of his appeals to the American public. And he and his team are advocating some pretty racially slanted policies.

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He is not a racist. He made a comment about Mexico not sending their best but instead we have had criminals come over our border (this is undeniable). The left used this to message that he is a racist.

 

Okay, cool. Supposedly you dismantled the whole Mexican rapists thing. Mind explaining away the several dozen other instances of Donald Trump's racism? I'll wait.

 

 

 

 

Didn't read the ENTIRE thread, and copy/pasted this from reddit. Many of us will realize that some of them are stretches as far as strict definition of what is or isn't overtly racist, and some of them refer more to his supporters than to him himself, but you know the saying where there's smoke there's fire? Well in this case can we just admit that when there's a firetruck, with firemen, spraying firehoses, and the sky is orange, and there's lots of smoke, that there's actually a fire, and that it's okay to acknowledge the fact that there is a fire and that it's not just being used as a distraction from an earthquake a mile away, or that we are dismissing the fact that other fires exist in other places?

 

Okay, cool.

 

 

 

Donald Trump violated the civil rights act by refusing to rent homes to black people.
Trump continued to refuse to rent homes to black people three years after Justice Department ruling on the matter sides against Trump.
Trump ordered blacks to leave casino floor whenever him or wife arrives on property.
1991 book written by Trump Plaza Hotel & Casino President quotes Trump as saying:
“I’ve got black accountants at Trump Castle and Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day… . I think the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.“
Trump built a casino in black majority city and breaks promise to mayor about hiring locals, refrains to hire the minorities and opting to staff the casino with almost exclusively all Caucasian employees.
Trump was asked about replacing TSA's 'heebeejabis' with veterans, responded with:
"We're looking at it"
Trump responded to accusations of racism by hiring a former aid for Joseph McCarthy to sue the government for half a billion dollars.
Trump kept books of Hitler Speeches by his bed.
Trump's campaign photoshopped a white model black.
Trump refused to disavow support from the Klu Klux Klan multiple times during interview only to change his mind later on twitter.
The KKK endorses Trump.
Trump retweets message from Pro-Hitler, white genocide conspiracy Twitter account.
Analysis shows that 62% of the people Trump retweeted on the week of January 19th 2016 were white supremacist accounts.
Trump picks famed white supremacist leader as delegate.
Trump's son gives interview with Holocaust denying radio show host who wants to bring back slavery.
Trump's "my African-American" isn't even a Trump supporter.
Trump gives press credentials to white supremacist radio host.
Trump discriminated against Native-Americans as well.
Six former contestants of The Apprentice blast Trump as a racist and sexist.
Trumps father was arrested for attacking police officers at KKK rally.
Public Policy Polling polls Trump supporters and discovers:
60% Support banning Muslims from entering the United States
50% Support the Confederate flag hanging on the capital grounds
30% Support shutting down all mosques in the United States
30% Wish the South won the civil war
25% Islam should be illegal in the United States
25% Support the policy of Japanese Internment
20% Support banning homosexuals from entering the United States
10% Say Whites are a superior race
(11% aren’t sure one way or another)
Trump refuses to condemn violence against muslims and African-Americans committed by his supporters.
When asked for comments on two of his supporters who brutally beat and urinated on a Hispanic homeless man while yelling Pro-Trump Slogans, Trump responds by defending the men as just being "passionate".
The Economist polls Trump supporters and discovers:
15% disapprove of slavery being abolished
- (Another 20% aren’t sure one way or another)
50% support the use of torture on foreign enemy combatants
- (Another 25% aren’t sure one way or another)
80% of Trump's supporters claim to have no problem with racist comments.
Trump falsely claims 4 out of 5 white people who were victims of homicide were murdered by blacks.
Trump believes that Mexicans are rapist by default.
Trump tweeted an anti-semitic tweet likely depicting Hillary jewish.
The HRC David star tweet turned out to originate from a neo-nazi website.
Trump retweets quote from Italian Dictator Benito Mussolini.
Trump uses picture of Nazi soldiers in official campaign poster.
Trump's spokesman, Katrina Pierson, critized Obama for being "a negro" and not "pure-breed".
Opinions of his supporters.
20% of Trump's supporters think that freeing the slaves was a bad thing. http://time.com/4236640/donald-trump-racist-supporters/
Trump supporters are more likely than supporters of other Republican candidates to have negative feelings towards feminists, Muslims, Latinos, Gays and Lesbians, and Transgender people. In contrast, Trump supporters have far warmer feelings towards whites than supporters of other candidates. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-voters-versus-republicans_us_573b0ec0e4b060aa781b32ce
Trump's "muslim ban" is unconstitutional.
Trump thinks that muslims should wear "special ID badges", as well as having a database tracking muslims.
Trump lies about how "muslims celebrated 9/11".
Trump wants to racially profile to "prevent criminality".
Trump had a full-page ad promoting execution of a group of Latino and Black children, who later turned out to be innocent.
Trump continued to believe that they were somehow guilty dispite the DNA test.
He believes that Obama was born in Kenya.
He attacked Judge P. Curiel for his "Mexican heritage"
Anne Frank's relatives thinks that Trump is 'acting like Hitler'.
Trump was fined $200,000 in 1992 by the New Jersey Division of Gaming Enforcement for not allowing blacks or women onto his casino floor while a racist Mafia leader was gambling.
Trump kicked the only black Republican official out of an Atlanta Trump event with no explanation.
... and it keeps going on.

 

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From Slate a few days ago:

 

The broader definition of racism as something systemic or implicit has flourished on the left and in academia. That’s for good reason: It allows us to talk about the nation’s most important social problems—police shootings, for example—in the most impassioned moral terms without labeling specific people as evil or malicious. (Maybe cops mean well, as a rule, but like the rest of us they suffer from implicit bias.) This more nuanced understanding of racism calls attention to persistent racial injustice while at the same time framing it in broader, more communal terms. It calls out the problem and invites solutions.

 

But textbook racism, however useful it might be as rhetoric, comes into conflict with the more old-fashioned dictionary definition of the word.

This was a really intelligent piece, I think. It highlights a case of dueling definitions -- why we can't seem to agree about the 'racism' thing -- which also underscores the point of unity.

 

Nobody here promotes racism. That's great. So let's examine it, as it exists in society, and talk about how and where to combat it. This isn't about condemning or embarrassing one man. We do ourselves a disservice to reduce it all to that.

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He is not a racist. He made a comment about Mexico not sending their best but instead we have had criminals come over our border (this is undeniable). The left used this to message that he is a racist.

 

Okay, cool. Supposedly you dismantled the whole Mexican rapists thing. Mind explaining away the several dozen other instances of Donald Trump's racism? I'll wait.

 

 

 

 

Didn't read the ENTIRE thread, and copy/pasted this from reddit. Many of us will realize that some of them are stretches as far as strict definition of what is or isn't overtly racist, and some of them refer more to his supporters than to him himself, but you know the saying where there's smoke there's fire? Well in this case can we just admit that when there's a firetruck, with firemen, spraying firehoses, and the sky is orange, and there's lots of smoke, that there's actually a fire, and that it's okay to acknowledge the fact that there is a fire and that it's not just being used as a distraction from an earthquake a mile away, or that we are dismissing the fact that other fires exist in other places?

 

Okay, cool.

 

 

 

Donald Trump violated the civil rights act by refusing to rent homes to black people.
Trump continued to refuse to rent homes to black people three years after Justice Department ruling on the matter sides against Trump.
Trump ordered blacks to leave casino floor whenever him or wife arrives on property.
1991 book written by Trump Plaza Hotel & Casino President quotes Trump as saying:
“I’ve got black accountants at Trump Castle and Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day… . I think the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.“
Trump built a casino in black majority city and breaks promise to mayor about hiring locals, refrains to hire the minorities and opting to staff the casino with almost exclusively all Caucasian employees.
Trump was asked about replacing TSA's 'heebeejabis' with veterans, responded with:
"We're looking at it"
Trump responded to accusations of racism by hiring a former aid for Joseph McCarthy to sue the government for half a billion dollars.
Trump kept books of Hitler Speeches by his bed.
Trump's campaign photoshopped a white model black.
Trump refused to disavow support from the Klu Klux Klan multiple times during interview only to change his mind later on twitter.
The KKK endorses Trump.
Trump retweets message from Pro-Hitler, white genocide conspiracy Twitter account.
Analysis shows that 62% of the people Trump retweeted on the week of January 19th 2016 were white supremacist accounts.
Trump picks famed white supremacist leader as delegate.
Trump's son gives interview with Holocaust denying radio show host who wants to bring back slavery.
Trump's "my African-American" isn't even a Trump supporter.
Trump gives press credentials to white supremacist radio host.
Trump discriminated against Native-Americans as well.
Six former contestants of The Apprentice blast Trump as a racist and sexist.
Trumps father was arrested for attacking police officers at KKK rally.
Public Policy Polling polls Trump supporters and discovers:
60% Support banning Muslims from entering the United States
50% Support the Confederate flag hanging on the capital grounds
30% Support shutting down all mosques in the United States
30% Wish the South won the civil war
25% Islam should be illegal in the United States
25% Support the policy of Japanese Internment
20% Support banning homosexuals from entering the United States
10% Say Whites are a superior race
(11% aren’t sure one way or another)
Trump refuses to condemn violence against muslims and African-Americans committed by his supporters.
When asked for comments on two of his supporters who brutally beat and urinated on a Hispanic homeless man while yelling Pro-Trump Slogans, Trump responds by defending the men as just being "passionate".
The Economist polls Trump supporters and discovers:
15% disapprove of slavery being abolished
- (Another 20% aren’t sure one way or another)
50% support the use of torture on foreign enemy combatants
- (Another 25% aren’t sure one way or another)
80% of Trump's supporters claim to have no problem with racist comments.
Trump falsely claims 4 out of 5 white people who were victims of homicide were murdered by blacks.
Trump believes that Mexicans are rapist by default.
Trump tweeted an anti-semitic tweet likely depicting Hillary jewish.
The HRC David star tweet turned out to originate from a neo-nazi website.
Trump retweets quote from Italian Dictator Benito Mussolini.
Trump uses picture of Nazi soldiers in official campaign poster.
Trump's spokesman, Katrina Pierson, critized Obama for being "a negro" and not "pure-breed".
Opinions of his supporters.
20% of Trump's supporters think that freeing the slaves was a bad thing. http://time.com/4236640/donald-trump-racist-supporters/
Trump supporters are more likely than supporters of other Republican candidates to have negative feelings towards feminists, Muslims, Latinos, Gays and Lesbians, and Transgender people. In contrast, Trump supporters have far warmer feelings towards whites than supporters of other candidates. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-voters-versus-republicans_us_573b0ec0e4b060aa781b32ce
Trump's "muslim ban" is unconstitutional.
Trump thinks that muslims should wear "special ID badges", as well as having a database tracking muslims.
Trump lies about how "muslims celebrated 9/11".
Trump wants to racially profile to "prevent criminality".
Trump had a full-page ad promoting execution of a group of Latino and Black children, who later turned out to be innocent.
Trump continued to believe that they were somehow guilty dispite the DNA test.
He believes that Obama was born in Kenya.
He attacked Judge P. Curiel for his "Mexican heritage"
Anne Frank's relatives thinks that Trump is 'acting like Hitler'.
Trump was fined $200,000 in 1992 by the New Jersey Division of Gaming Enforcement for not allowing blacks or women onto his casino floor while a racist Mafia leader was gambling.
Trump kicked the only black Republican official out of an Atlanta Trump event with no explanation.
... and it keeps going on.

 

 

LOL. I don't even have to. Look at all your left leaning sources...HuffPo, NYTimes, Salon, NBC News, Daily Beast, CNN, NPR, Mother Jones. There are a ton of right leaning orgs that can embarrass the left too. That's what I am saying...you can go around in this stuff forever. If you believe your principles and vote them fine...I respect that. But don't come waiving HuffPo and NYTimes articles. You can argue for a lifetime of who is the "better" person Trump or Clinton. At the end of the day neither had great character IMO. But I am voting for a secular leader and will go with the one who aligns with how I want our government to work in this country. It really makes it quite simple.

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It's really unfortunate the degree the Right has won the "Don't even read" all those sources battle with their base.

 

I mean, sure, you could say the same thing about how I'd treat Rush Limbaugh or Breitbart and so on. I'd say there's a substantially stronger case to be made there, though. Even conservatives have recognized what their media has become, I think. And while introspection and criticism will occur within the liberal media ranks, it seems like those who have been willing to do the same are largely castigated on the other side.

 

I don't expect this argument to make any headway.

 

And so, we're stuck, it seems.

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It's really unfortunate the degree the Right has won the "Don't even read" all those sources battle with their base.

 

I mean, sure, you could say the same thing about how I'd treat Rush Limbaugh or Breitbart and so on. I'd say there's a substantially stronger case to be made there, though. Even conservatives have recognized what their media has become, I think. And while introspection and criticism will occur within the liberal media ranks, it seems like those who have been willing to do the same are largely castigated on the other side.

 

I don't expect this argument to make any headway.

 

And so, we're stuck, it seems.

It's frankly disgusting. You can literally believe any reality you want if you fall for this crap.

 

FFS most of those stories were on things Trump said with his own damn mouth.

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