How much integrity are you willing to trade for success?

[marko polo]

 

This narrative that we didn't compete nationally until the mid-90's seems confusing to me. Here's a list of Osborne's wins against ranked (by end of season) OOC opponents from '73-'93

 

#12 UCLA, W 40-13

#16 NC State, W 31-14

#8 Texas, W 19-3

#12 Florida, W 13-10

#9 Texas Tech, W 27-24

#2 Alabama, W 31-24

#14 North Carolina, W 21-17

#18 Penn State, W 42-17

#8 Penn State, W 21-7

#19 Mississippi State, W 31-17

#14 Auburn, W 41-7

#11 LSU, W 21-20

#17 Penn State, W 44-6

#13 UCLA, 42-10

#10 UCLA, W 42-3

#16 LSU, W 28-10

#20 Florida State, W 34-17

#11 LSU, W 30-15

#11 UCLA, W 42-33

#20 Arizona State, W 35-28

 

What does this show? Only five wins against top 10 teams? Heck, if we give Riley the next two decades I don't think he'll have any problem duplicating this. He's already got 20% of what he needs with his win against Michigan State last year. He's got another 18 years to get a grand whopping total of four more to duplicate this.

 

I don't mean to come off as an a$$, but it's really getting old hearing some of this stuff. If TO was hired today at Nebraska, he probably doesn't even make it a decade. He didn't even win his first outright conference title until year 9. Heck, Solich won an outright conference title in year 2. They both inherited similar programs. Things are drastically different now than they were 4+ decades ago. It's win now, or get out. The money is considerably bigger and the timeline is drastically shorter.

ons National Champions Conference Champions Division Champions Bowl game berth Season Coach Conference Division Season results Postseason result Final ranking Finish Wins Losses Ties AP Poll¹Coaches

Poll²BCS/CFP

Poll¹³Nebraska Old Gold Knights 1890 Langdon Frothingham³ Independent — — 2 0 0 — N/A N/A N/A 1891 Theron Lyman³ Independent — — 2 2 0 — Nebraska Bugeaters 1892 J.S. Williams³WIUFA — 2nd 2 2 1 — N/A N/A N/A 1893 Frank Crawford WIUFA — 3rd 3 2 1 — 1894 WIUFA — T–1st 6 2 0 — 1895 Charles Thomas WIUFA — T–1st 6 3 0 — 1896 E.N. Robinson WIUFA — 3rd 6 3 1 — 1897 WIUFA — 1st 5 1 0 — 1898 Fielding Yost Independent — — 8 3 0 — 1899 A.E. Branch Independent — — 1 7 1 — Nebraska Cornhuskers 1900 Walter C. Booth Independent — — 6 1 1 — N/A N/A N/A 1901 Independent — — 6 2 0 — 1902 Independent — — 9 0 0 — 1903 Independent — — 10 0 0 — 1904 Independent — — 7 3 0 — 1905 Independent — — 8 2 0 — 1906 Amos Foster Independent — — 6 4 0 — 1907 W.C. Cole MVIAA — T–1st 8 2 0 — 1908 MVIAA — T–2nd 7 2 1 — 1909 MVIAA — T–5th 3 3 2 — 1910 MVIAA — 1st 7 1 0 — 1911 Ewald O. Stiehm MVIAA — T–1st 5 1 2 — 1912 MVIAA — T–1st 7 1 0 — 1913 MVIAA — T–1st 8 0 0 — 1914 MVIAA — 1st 7 0 1 — 1915 MVIAA — 1st 8 0 0 — 1916 E.J. Stewart MVIAA — 1st 6 2 0 — 1917 MVIAA — 1st 5 2 0 — 1918 William G. Kline MVIAA — —⁴ 2 3 1 — 1919 Henry F. Schulte Independent — — 3 3 2 — 1920 Independent — — 5 3 1 — 1921 Fred Dawson MVIAA — 1st 7 1 0 — 1922 MVIAA — T–1st 7 1 0 — 1923 MVIAA — 1st 4 2 2 — 1924 MVIAA — 2nd 5 3 0 — 1925 Earnest E. Bearg MVIAA — 5th 4 2 2 — 1926 MVIAA — 2nd 6 2 0 — 1927 MVIAA — 2nd 6 2 0 — 1928 Big 6⁵ — 1st 7 1 1 — 1929 Dana X. Bible Big 6 — 1st 4 1 3 — 1930 Big 6 — 4th 4 3 2 — 1931 Big 6 — 1st 8 2 0 — 1932 Big 6 — 1st 7 1 1 — 1933 Big 6 — 1st 8 1 0 — 1934 Big 6 — 2nd 6 3 0 — 1935 Big 6 — 1st 6 2 1 — 1936 Big 6 — 1st 7 2 0 — 9 1937 L. McC. "Biff" Jones Big 6 — 1st 6 1 2 — 11 1938 Big 6 — T–3rd 3 5 1 — — 1939 Big 6 — 2nd 7 1 1 — 18 1940 Big 6 — 1st 8 2 0 Lost Rose Bowl (Stanford) 13–21 7 1941 Big 6 — T–2nd 4 5 0 — — 1942 Glenn Presnell Big 6 — 3rd 3 7 0 — — 1943 Adolph Lewandowski Big 6 — T–4th 2 6 0 — — 1944 Big 6 — 4th 2 6 0 — — 1945 George Clark Big 6 — 4th 4 5 0 — — 1946 Bernie Masterson Big 6 — T–3rd 3 6 0 — — 1947 Big 6 — 4th 2 7 0 — — 1948 George Clark Big 7 — T–5th 2 8 0 — N/A 1949 Bill Glassford Big 7 — T–3rd 4 5 0 — N/A 1950 Big 7 — 2nd 6 2 1 — 17 20 1951 Big 7 — T–4th 2 8 0 — — — 1952 Big 7 — 3rd 5 4 1 — — — 1953 Big 7 — T–4th 3 6 1 — — — 1954 Big 7 — 2nd 6 5 0 Lost Orange Bowl (Duke) 7–34 — — 1955 Big 7 — 2nd 5 5 0 — — — 1956 Pete Elliott Big 7 — 4th 4 6 0 — — — 1957 Bill Jennings Big 7 — 7th 1 9 0 — — — 1958 Big 7 — 6th 3 7 0 — — — 1959 Big 7 — 6th 4 6 0 — — — 1960 Big 8 — T–6th 4 6 0 — — — 1961 Big 8 — T–6th 3 6 1 — — — 1962 Bob Devaney Big 8 — 3rd 9 2 0 Won Gotham Bowl (Miami) 36–34 — — 1963 Big 8 — 1st 10 1 0 Won Orange Bowl (Auburn) 13–7 6 5 1964 Big 8 — 1st 9 2 0 Lost Cotton Bowl Classic (Arkansas) 7–10 6 6 1965 Big 8 — 1st 10 1 0 Lost Orange Bowl (Alabama) 28–39 5 3 1966 Big 8 — 1st 9 2 0 Lost Sugar Bowl (Alabama) 7–34 6 7 1967 Big 8 — T–5th 6 4 0 — — — 1968 Big 8 — T–4th 6 4 0 — — — 1969 Big 8 — T–1st 9 2 0 Won Sun Bowl (Georgia) 45–6 11 12 1970 Big 8 — 1st 11 0 1 Won Orange Bowl (LSU) 17–12 1 3 1971 Big 8 — 1st 13 0 0 Won Orange Bowl (Alabama) 38–6 1 1 1972 Big 8 — 1st 9 2 1 Won Orange Bowl (Notre Dame) 40–6 4 9 1973 Tom Osborne Big 8 — T–2nd 9 2 1 Won Cotton Bowl Classic (Texas) 19–3 7 11 1974 Big 8 — T–2nd 9 3 0 Won Sugar Bowl (Florida) 13–10 9 8 1975 Big 8 — T–1st 10 2 0 Lost Fiesta Bowl (Arizona State) 14–17 9 9 1976 Big 8 — T–4th 9 3 1 Won Bluebonnet Bowl (Texas Tech) 27–24 9 7 1977 Big 8 — T–2nd 9 3 0 Won Liberty Bowl (North Carolina) 21–17 12 10 1978 Big 8 — T–1st 9 3 0 Lost Orange Bowl (Oklahoma) 24–31 8 8 1979 Big 8 — 2nd 10 2 0 Lost Cotton Bowl Classic (Houston) 14–17 9 7 1980 Big 8 — 2nd 10 2 0 Won Sun Bowl (Mississippi State) 31–17 7 7 1981 Big 8 — 1st 9 3 0 Lost Orange Bowl (Clemson) 15–22 11 9 1982 Big 8 — 1st 12 1 0 Won Orange Bowl (LSU) 21–20 3 3 '1983 Big 8 — 1st 12 1 0 Lost Orange Bowl (Miami) 30–31 2 2 1984 Big 8 — T–1st 10 2 0 Won Sugar Bowl (LSU) 28–10 4 3 1985 Big 8 — 2nd 9 3 0 Lost Fiesta Bowl (Michigan) 23–27 11 10 1986 Big 8 — 3rd 10 2 0 Won Sugar Bowl (LSU) 30–15 5 4 1987 Big 8 — 2nd 10 2 0 Lost Fiesta Bowl (Florida State) 28–31 6 6 1988 Big 8 — 1st 11 2 0 Lost Orange Bowl (Miami) 3–23 10 10 1989 Big 8 — 2nd 10 2 0 Lost Fiesta Bowl (Florida State) 17–41 11 12 1990 Big 8 — T–2nd 9 3 0 Lost Florida Citrus Bowl (Georgia Tech) 21–45 24 17 1991 Big 8 — T–1st 9 2 1 Lost Orange Bowl (Miami) 0–22 15 16 1992 Big 8 — 1st 9 3 0 Lost Orange Bowl (Florida State) 14–27 14 14 '1993 Big 8 — 1st 11 1 0 Lost Orange Bowl (Florida State) 16–18 3 3 1994 Big 8 — 1st 13 0 0 Won Orange Bowl (Miami) 24–17 1 1 1995 Big 8 — 1st 12 0 0 Won Fiesta Bowl (Florida) 62–24 1 1 1996 Big 12 North 1st 11 2 ⁶Won Orange Bowl (Virginia Tech) 41–21 6 6 1997 Big 12 North 1st 13 0 Won Orange Bowl (Tennessee) 42–17 2 1 1998 Frank Solich Big 12 North T–2nd 9 4 Lost Holiday Bowl (Arizona) 20–23 19 20 11 1999 Big 12 North 1st 12 1 Won Fiesta Bowl (Tennessee) 31–21 3 2 3 2000 Big 12 North T–1st⁷ 10 2 Won Alamo Bowl (Northwestern) 66–17 8 7 8 2001 Big 12 North T–1st⁸ 11 2 Lost Rose Bowl (Miami) 37–14 8 7 2 2002 Big 12 North 4th 7 7 Lost Independence Bowl (Ole Miss) 27–23 — — — 2003 Big 12 North 2nd 10 3 Won Alamo Bowl (Michigan State) 17–3⁹ 19 18 20 2004 Bill Callahan Big 12 North T–3rd 5 6 — — — — 2005 Big 12 North T–2nd 8 4 Won Alamo Bowl (Michigan) 32–28 24 24 — 2006 Big 12 North 1st 9 5 Lost Cotton Bowl Classic (Auburn) 14–17 — — 23 2007 Big 12 North T–5th 5 7 — — — — 2008 Bo Pelini⁹ Big 12 North T–1st¹⁰ 9 4 Won Gator Bowl (Clemson) 26–21 — — — 2009 Big 12 North 1st 10 4 Won Holiday Bowl (Arizona) 33–0 14 14 22 2010 Big 12 North T–1st¹¹ 10 4 Lost Holiday Bowl (Washington) 7–19 20 19 18 2011 Big Ten Legends 3rd 9 4 Lost Capital One Bowl (South Carolina) 13–30 24 24 20 2012 Big Ten Legends 1st 10 4 Lost Capital One Bowl (Georgia) 31–45 25 23 16 2013 Big Ten Legends T-2nd 9 4 Won Gator Bowl (Georgia) 24–19 — 25 — 2014 Big Ten West T-2nd 9 4 Lost Holiday Bowl (USC) 42–45¹² — — — 2015 Mike Riley Big Ten West 4th 6 7 Won Foster Farms Bowl (UCLA) 37–29 — — — 2016 Big Ten West T-2nd 9 4 Lost Music City Bowl (Tennessee) 38–24 — — — 2017 Big Ten West — — — All Time Record 863 346 40 (only includes regular season games) 26 27 0 (only includes bowl games) 889 372 40 (all games)

^{[1]Are you mother luvin kiddin we can't hardly break the top 20 now!!!!!!! Almost always in the top 10!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!}

[Red_Payne]

Considering that this is College football, and most these players will never make a paycheck, let alone an actual living, playing this game; I think it is important to stick to and teach a Moral code of conduct.

However, I don't see taking advantage of loopholes as immoral. If something is "technically" allowed, then it is allowed; not just in football, but in all industries. Hard work should always be preached; but there are always loopholes and way to bend and not break the rules; and the people that learn how to play that way will get ahead.

If you're gonna play the game, boy; you gotta learn to play it right.

[Landlord]

 

This narrative that we didn't compete nationally until the mid-90's seems confusing to me. Here's a list of Osborne's wins against ranked (by end of season) OOC opponents from '73-'93

 

#12 UCLA, W 40-13

#16 NC State, W 31-14

#8 Texas, W 19-3

#12 Florida, W 13-10

#9 Texas Tech, W 27-24

#2 Alabama, W 31-24

#14 North Carolina, W 21-17

#18 Penn State, W 42-17

#8 Penn State, W 21-7

#19 Mississippi State, W 31-17

#14 Auburn, W 41-7

#11 LSU, W 21-20

#17 Penn State, W 44-6

#13 UCLA, 42-10

#10 UCLA, W 42-3

#16 LSU, W 28-10

#20 Florida State, W 34-17

#11 LSU, W 30-15

#11 UCLA, W 42-33

#20 Arizona State, W 35-28

 

What does this show? Only five wins against top 10 teams? Heck, if we give Riley the next two decades I don't think he'll have any problem duplicating this. He's already got 20% of what he needs with his win against Michigan State last year. He's got another 18 years to get a grand whopping total of four more to duplicate this.

 

I don't mean to come off as an a$$, but it's really getting old hearing some of this stuff. If TO was hired today at Nebraska, he probably doesn't even make it a decade. He didn't even win his first outright conference title until year 9. Heck, Solich won an outright conference title in year 2. They both inherited similar programs. Things are drastically different now than they were 4+ decades ago. It's win now, or get out. The money is considerably bigger and the timeline is drastically shorter.

 

 

 

Did you miss the part where those were only out of conference games?

[Landlord]

 

There's room to lie on your taxes about write-offs, but still be within the confines of the law. That does not, by my personal conscience at least, lend itself to ethical behavior.

Ummm.....if the IRS finds out I lied about write offs, I would be in trouble.

 

 

 

Here's what I mean.

 

 

As a filmmaker, I can write off virtually any purchase, legally, as a work expense. New bookshelf? It was a prop for a video in my apartment. New laptop? Need it to edit. Nice outfit? It's wardrobe for a short film. So on and so forth.

 

There's no way those things can ever be proven to truly be intended for work vs for myself, and it's not illegal. Is it ethical? Is that integrity?

[B.B. Hemingway]

 

 

There's room to lie on your taxes about write-offs, but still be within the confines of the law. That does not, by my personal conscience at least, lend itself to ethical behavior.

Ummm.....if the IRS finds out I lied about write offs, I would be in trouble.

 

 

 

Here's what I mean.

 

 

As a filmmaker, I can write off virtually any purchase, legally, as a work expense. New bookshelf? It was a prop for a video in my apartment. New laptop? Need it to edit. Nice outfit? It's wardrobe for a short film. So on and so forth.

 

There's no way those things can ever be proven to truly be intended for work vs for myself, and it's not illegal. Is it ethical? Is that integrity?

 

 

As a business owner myself, I can confirm that you're 100% correct. For example, this year I bought myself a $2,000, 70 inch "computer monitor" for the business.....

[JJ Husker]

 

 

There's room to lie on your taxes about write-offs, but still be within the confines of the law. That does not, by my personal conscience at least, lend itself to ethical behavior.

 

Ummm.....if the IRS finds out I lied about write offs, I would be in trouble.

 

Here's what I mean.

 

 

As a filmmaker, I can write off virtually any purchase, legally, as a work expense. New bookshelf? It was a prop for a video in my apartment. New laptop? Need it to edit. Nice outfit? It's wardrobe for a short film. So on and so forth.

 

There's no way those things can ever be proven to truly be intended for work vs for myself, and it's not illegal. Is it ethical? Is that integrity?

I lost track of the original question but, if you lie about those things, don't use them in your filmmaking, then that is unethical and illegal. But, if you use any of those things legitimately to make a film and could justify it in an audit, even if you use them way more often for personal reasons, then it is legal and I would say not unethical.

 

When it comes to paying taxes, legal and ethical are the same thing. If you have to lie about it, then you cross the line on both counts. If we're talking college football, I would say it is much the same.

 

Of course you're talking to a guy who may have just purchased an iPad for work to conduct Square credit card transactions. No way I'm using that thing personally for all the other things it can do....;-)

[BigRedBuster]

 

 

 

 

There's room to lie on your taxes about write-offs, but still be within the confines of the law. That does not, by my personal conscience at least, lend itself to ethical behavior.

Ummm.....if the IRS finds out I lied about write offs, I would be in trouble.

 

Here's what I mean.

 

 

As a filmmaker, I can write off virtually any purchase, legally, as a work expense. New bookshelf? It was a prop for a video in my apartment. New laptop? Need it to edit. Nice outfit? It's wardrobe for a short film. So on and so forth.

 

There's no way those things can ever be proven to truly be intended for work vs for myself, and it's not illegal. Is it ethical? Is that integrity?

For which if the IRS caught you lying about that stuff it's illegal and you would be liable for the tax plus fines and interest.

 

This is totally different that what was mentioned in the last option.

[Landlord]

 

 

 

There's room to lie on your taxes about write-offs, but still be within the confines of the law. That does not, by my personal conscience at least, lend itself to ethical behavior.

Ummm.....if the IRS finds out I lied about write offs, I would be in trouble.

 

Here's what I mean.

 

 

As a filmmaker, I can write off virtually any purchase, legally, as a work expense. New bookshelf? It was a prop for a video in my apartment. New laptop? Need it to edit. Nice outfit? It's wardrobe for a short film. So on and so forth.

 

There's no way those things can ever be proven to truly be intended for work vs for myself, and it's not illegal. Is it ethical? Is that integrity?

For which if the IRS caught you lying about that stuff it's illegal and you would be liable for the tax plus fines and interest.

 

This is totally different that what was mentioned in the last option.

 

 

 

It's a thing the IRS can't catch me lying about. "Hey you wrote this bookcase off as a prop expense but we watched your youtube videos and it's not in any of them!" "Sorry, we ended up cutting the scene/Sorry, my hard drive fried/Sorry, it was for someone else's film."

 

 

 

Anyways, sorry for the rabbit trail. My only point is that there are things that can be done within the rules that I do not consider ethical, and there are things contrary to a certain perspective of attaining success that I think are important to hold onto. For example, Zack Darlington. You think Nick Saban would have come out like Bo did when he got concussed his senior year and promise that his scholarship would always be honored here even though at the time it was really likely he would never be able to wear football pads again? Should we cut that dead weight? Do we want to be like Alabama in that regard?

[Undone]

I'm pretty ok with sacrificing the ridiculously hard-to-attain level of Tom Osborne-esque stoic-ness of our coach, and I'm totally ok with having a coach that shows his anger and passion out loud (like Devaney), as long as no NCAA rules are broken and no loopholes are exploited.

 

When Riley was first hired, my initial reaction honestly was that Eichorst had hired a guy based on his propensity to be "too nice to fire." Mainly to create a scenario where 'his guy' was safe for many years, thereby protecting his own ego and reputation.

I feel differently about that now, and I really love Riley. I'm glad he's our guy. But as it pertains to where our class finishes this year and how much talent Riley fields for next year is basically the entire ball of wax. If next year is a flop, it'll be a pretty strong (although not definitive indicator) as to whether or not Riley was a good idea.

[adc7236]

Set high goals that are tempered with reasonable expectations.

Goals do not need to be accomplished immediately, but establishing a timeline in accordance with expectations should be done.

As you move forward, never forget to raise expectations and set higher goals.

Compromise is a great thing and should be considered with many things, but integrity is not one them. Lack of integrity is like a bad attitude, it can be contagious.

Winning a championship with integrity compromises would feel like cheating at Monopoly when playing with my kids.

-Yeah, I won....but the victory will seem empty.

[BigRedBuster]

 

 

 

 

There's room to lie on your taxes about write-offs, but still be within the confines of the law. That does not, by my personal conscience at least, lend itself to ethical behavior.

Ummm.....if the IRS finds out I lied about write offs, I would be in trouble.

 

Here's what I mean.

 

 

As a filmmaker, I can write off virtually any purchase, legally, as a work expense. New bookshelf? It was a prop for a video in my apartment. New laptop? Need it to edit. Nice outfit? It's wardrobe for a short film. So on and so forth.

 

There's no way those things can ever be proven to truly be intended for work vs for myself, and it's not illegal. Is it ethical? Is that integrity?

For which if the IRS caught you lying about that stuff it's illegal and you would be liable for the tax plus fines and interest.

 

This is totally different that what was mentioned in the last option.

 

 

 

It's a thing the IRS can't catch me lying about. "Hey you wrote this bookcase off as a prop expense but we watched your youtube videos and it's not in any of them!" "Sorry, we ended up cutting the scene/Sorry, my hard drive fried/Sorry, it was for someone else's film."

 

 

 

Anyways, sorry for the rabbit trail. My only point is that there are things that can be done within the rules that I do not consider ethical, and there are things contrary to a certain perspective of attaining success that I think are important to hold onto. For example, Zack Darlington. You think Nick Saban would have come out like Bo did when he got concussed his senior year and promise that his scholarship would always be honored here even though at the time it was really likely he would never be able to wear football pads again? Should we cut that dead weight? Do we want to be like Alabama in that regard?

 

yeah...sorry for the derailment of the thread.

 

My point is, it is not illegal or unethical or against the rules to use every millimeter the rules allows you to use.

 

To your example, yes, chances are the IRS can't catch you in your example, but you still broke a rule that if caught, you are in trouble. That is not what I'm talking about. I am not OK with knowingly breaking rules that puts the integrity of the program in danger. However, I am OK with creatively using the room the rules allows you to use to get every advantage possible.

[junior4949]

 

 

This narrative that we didn't compete nationally until the mid-90's seems confusing to me. Here's a list of Osborne's wins against ranked (by end of season) OOC opponents from '73-'93

 

#12 UCLA, W 40-13

#16 NC State, W 31-14

#8 Texas, W 19-3

#12 Florida, W 13-10

#9 Texas Tech, W 27-24

#2 Alabama, W 31-24

#14 North Carolina, W 21-17

#18 Penn State, W 42-17

#8 Penn State, W 21-7

#19 Mississippi State, W 31-17

#14 Auburn, W 41-7

#11 LSU, W 21-20

#17 Penn State, W 44-6

#13 UCLA, 42-10

#10 UCLA, W 42-3

#16 LSU, W 28-10

#20 Florida State, W 34-17

#11 LSU, W 30-15

#11 UCLA, W 42-33

#20 Arizona State, W 35-28

 

What does this show? Only five wins against top 10 teams? Heck, if we give Riley the next two decades I don't think he'll have any problem duplicating this. He's already got 20% of what he needs with his win against Michigan State last year. He's got another 18 years to get a grand whopping total of four more to duplicate this.

 

I don't mean to come off as an a$$, but it's really getting old hearing some of this stuff. If TO was hired today at Nebraska, he probably doesn't even make it a decade. He didn't even win his first outright conference title until year 9. Heck, Solich won an outright conference title in year 2. They both inherited similar programs. Things are drastically different now than they were 4+ decades ago. It's win now, or get out. The money is considerably bigger and the timeline is drastically shorter.

 

 

 

Did you miss the part where those were only out of conference games?

 

 

I did in fact miss that part. However, I'm not sure it changes a lot considering the Big 8 only consistently only had two good teams. We all know TO had a 5-12 record against Switzer consistently coming in on the short end of the stick. When OU was hit with probation and sanctions in came CU. We had a three or four year stint in there where we either lost or tied CU.

 

Whether anyone wants to admit it or not, the 90' and 91' seasons were a bit difficult to stomach. TO within the timeframe listed always had Bob Devaney as his AD. I've often wondered if something wasn't about to happen when Bob Devaney retired as AD in 93'? The 93' season really was the start of the run, so a new incoming AD really couldn't do anything. However, I wonder had the run been delayed a couple of seasons whether the run actually ever happens?

 

Things are considerably different than they were four decades ago. As much as Michigan loves Harbaugh, I highly doubt they give him 9 years to win his first outright conference title. I highly doubt Herman is afforded such luxury at Texas either. Since the turn of the century, it has almost become common to see NC winning coaches shown the door by not winning enough after they won a NC. The money in today's college football is huge, and the expectations are even bigger.

[Kiyoat Husker]

What I'm less on the same page with most of what I've read here is "loopholes" always being a bad thing. IIRC Tom was pretty good at exploiting any loophole that he didn't deem to be unethical. For example:

 

At one point in time, steroids were not illegal, and Nebraska used the hell out of them.

Partial Qualifiers

Fumblerooski (and other trick plays some might consider cheating)

 

My point is that I think that Coaches who try to use every possible way to make their team competitive, while not technically breaking any rules are smart, not unethical. Sure, there are unethical loopholes, like over-signing, but I think that TO and HCMR are similar in terms of "creative" use of resources. I think HCMR and his staff has done that with recruiting, to some extent.

[Landlord]

^ I don't really have a problem with any of the above. Reason being that they didn't have direct variation with a negative reaction on someone else. As long as you're exploiting the rules in a way that is beneficial to your players/fanbase/recruits/etc. and not to their detriment, I'll probably be cool with it.

[broganreynik]

No. Character, integrity are important and something that has and should continue to set Nebraska apart. I'm proud of our championships, but not so much with the headlines we had then (Phillips, Peters, Baldwin etc).

 

I'd rather have a season like this (without the Gerry bs) and be admired for a team that was a competitor, had good sportsmanship and was one to be admired by fans, opponents, kids and adults alike.

Hear, hear.