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I thought this is worth it's own thread. His foreign policy is going to have huge ramifications on many Americans and America in general for many years to come.

 

Here is the first public relations bomb thrown by terrorists. It's going to be interesting to see how he responds. If he pulls out now, it's going to appear that he was told what to do by a guy living in a cave in Afghanistan somewhere. Will his ego be so big that he sends more troops in to go after this guy?

 

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Obama became a political punching bag in this realm, and at times deservedly so, but a lot of Americans believe Trump will better protect us and beat terrorism back.

 

I imagine this letter won't sit very well with him - I'm intrigued to see how he responds.

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Could you consider this part of Trump's FP? A little bit concerning that this started immediately after their phone call, but a story I read said there are constant ceasefire violations in Ukraine all the time. We'll have to see if this aggression from Russia is sustained unfettered. If so, it would seem to suggest to me that Trump offered at least tacit approval.

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I think it's silly to nitpick every military operation that happens during a presidency if someone dies. Soldiers die under every president and from what I read about this they planned it for months.

 

That said the Republicans weren't at all reasonable in this regard when it came to Obama and Clinton.

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It's not the fact that people died or that I disagree with his military strategy. It's that I read a report from Reuters of all outlets that he's still blowing off intelligence and preparation. On his first operation, no less.

 

He's trying to spitball as Commander-in-Chief. That's what bothers me.

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That's possible, but it would depend very much on this Reuters report being an accurate assessment, rather than internal recriminations after a bad op. This op was planned months in advance, under the Obama administration, and they were just waiting for a chance to run it. It doesn't mean Trump wasn't hasty, but it's not totally clear that he was. Also not sure if I would say Obama's usage of special forces is a paragon of virtue.

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The Trump administration appeared to loosen U.S. sanctions Thursday that the Obama administration had imposed against Russia in response to its cyberattacks in the 2016 presidential election.

 

The Treasury Department published a license that authorizes certain transactions between U.S. companies and the FSB, Russia’s security service and for the importation, distribution or use of “certain information technology products in the Russian Federation.” Such transactions had been prohibited under Obama administration sanctions imposed on Russia in late December. At the time, the U.S. sanctioned nine entities and individuals including the FSB and GRU. The Obama administration said that the FSB had assisted and provided material support to the GRU in its efforts to interfere with the U.S. election.

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This isn't just Trumpian foreign policy. This is American policy, and our willingness to condone it.

 

This media imbalance is a vital propaganda tool. In U.S. media land, Americans are always the victims of violence and terrorism, always menaced and threatened by violent Muslim savages, always targeted for no reason whatsoever other than primitive Islamic barbarism. That mythology is sustained by literally disappearing America’s own victims, pretending they don’t exist, denying their importance through the casual invocation of clichés we’ve been trained to spout (collateral damage) and, most importantly of all, never humanizing them under any circumstances.
Glenn Greenwald holds up a mirror. It is vital that we look into it.

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That's possible, but it would depend very much on this Reuters report being an accurate assessment, rather than internal recriminations after a bad op. This op was planned months in advance, under the Obama administration, and they were just waiting for a chance to run it. It doesn't mean Trump wasn't hasty, but it's not totally clear that he was. Also not sure if I would say Obama's usage of special forces is a paragon of virtue.

 

Obama's foreign policy is definitely not immune to criticism. It's one of the easiest parts of his legacy to build a case against, IMO.

 

I'd like to counter the notion that Obama was all aboard on this.

 

 

Additionally, there was a Times piece stating that he was waiting for a moonless night for the op, of which there were none before Trump took office.

 

Here's what I know for SURE about Obama: He took his duties as Commander-in-Chief very seriously. Did he always make the correct choices? Absolutely not. But I'm 100% confident the man gave every decision his due diligence, had many sober, straight-faced conversations about things, and thought long and hard before commanding military action.

 

My issue is not with the operation itself. It's that Trump didn't put adequate thought or preparation into it. And from the Intercept piece above, now we've got his Press Secretary incorrectly claiming Iran attacked our ship and having to get correct by a member of the media.

 

I also read that Mattis was in the Alfalfa dinner when Trump, Bannon, Flynn et al ordered the operation. He didn't even consult his DoD when making this call? I was the flabbergasted, because I was hoping Mattis would be the one to keep Trump from doing crazy sh#t.

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Right, Obama didn't clear the raid -- but he was briefed on it. What I read in either the Times or Post was that it was being delayed for 'operational' reasons i.e, waiting for the right weather or external conditions, etc, and ultimately just left to his successor to give the final green light.

 

So it's not clear that Obama felt the intelligence was way inadequate. I do agree he took his duties quite seriously, and Trump does not appear to have the same temperament. However, whether approving this particular raid at this particular time was a product of his carelessness, or just an op where a few things went wrong...I think that's less obvious.

 

I didn't know that about Mattis. What I remember reading is that he found out there were casualties at a dinner, and left to take care of it. Not sure if it's the same one. Some military people consider this a successful op. Perhaps Obama might've made the same conclusion.

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Trump approved the raid at a dinner attended not just by General Mattis, but also by the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the vice president, and his national security adviser. I believe the advice of these folks would be adequate. Our military knows how to plan and carry out special ops missions, and a prudent President leaves the planning to military officials.

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Not... good.

German public trust in USA plummets to record low: study

A new poll shows that German trust in the transatlantic relationship has dropped to a level equatable to public trust in Russia since Donald Trump was elected US President.

In total, seven out of ten respondents told research group Infratest dimap that the US is not a trusted ally of Germany at the moment.

That was a drop of 37 percent compared to a survey conducted in November, marking a record historic low for faith in the transatlantic partnership, Die Welt reports.

In the same survey, 21 percent of Germans said that Russia can be trusted as an ally, while only four percent said the same about Turkey.

Asked about their attitudes to US President Donald Trump, Germans expressed considerable disapproval.

 

 

Trump is decreasing America's respect abroad already.

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Trump approved the raid at a dinner attended not just by General Mattis, but also by the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the vice president, and his national security adviser. I believe the advice of these folks would be adequate. Our military knows how to plan and carry out special ops missions, and a prudent President leaves the planning to military officials.

There's conflicting reports on whether Mattis or the Joint Chiefs were consulted. Personally, I think it's easy to 20/20 hindsight any op and criticize the decisions. And there's going to be times we can say they made mistakes, but IMO the real question is whether Trump did the due diligence in planning. I doubt the veracity of the current evidence, so I'll wait and see what shakes out as true over the coming weeks and months. We may never know.

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http://www.newsweek.com/nolan-peterson-trump-distracted-putin-pounds-ukraine-551570

 

 

KIEV, Ukraine—Artillery and rockets have been raining down on the front-line town of Avdiivka in eastern Ukraine since Sunday, leaving 16,000 civilians, including 2,000 children, without heat, electricity or clean water as temperatures dipped to 20 degrees below zero Celsius, or about minus 4 Fahrenheit.

 

“The recent intensification of hostilities on the contact line in eastern Ukraine has had a very heavy impact on the local population,” the International Committee of the Red Cross said in a statement Tuesday. “The weather conditions make the negative impact even more severe.”

Complicit, supportive, or too distracted to respond.

 

Heartbreaking photo of a 24-year old woman mourning her 60-year old mother. Killed while walking to a store: http://s.newsweek.com/sites/www.newsweek.com/files/styles/embed-lg/public/2017/02/02/0202ukraineputin01.jpg

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Donald Trump's administration has imposed sanctions on Iran following its recent ballistic missile test.

 

The sanctions target 13 people and 12 companies, including groups in China, Lebanon and the United Arab Emirates.

 

President Trump tweeted earlier: "Iran is playing with fire - they don't appreciate how 'kind' President Obama was to them. Not me!"

 

Iran called the threats from "an inexperienced person" useless, vowing to impose reciprocal measures.

 

John Smith, the US Treasury Department's acting sanctions chief, said in a statement on Friday: "Iran's continued support for terrorism and development of its ballistic missile programme poses a threat to the region, to our partners worldwide and to the United States."

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I don't like where this is headed. That last quote seems rather ominous.

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I'm sure the Trumpites will decide this is fine and that we only need to fight terror by secluding ourselves and closing our borders to everyone.

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Significant development:

 

 

He may want to start by having them, you know, stop ravaging Ukraine with attacks.

maybe trump will try to throw putin off his back?

 

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I'm still trying to figure out his foreign policy. I'm getting jerked around by every news story that it is hard to get a handle on a consistent policy. that is why, it is in Trump's and the countries best interest for Trump to slow down, seclude himself away from twitter and just talk policy and not personalities.

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I'm still trying to figure out his foreign policy. I'm getting jerked around by every news story that it is hard to get a handle on a consistent policy. that is why, it is in Trump's and the countries best interest for Trump to slow down, seclude himself away from twitter and just talk policy and not personalities.

BINGO!!!!!!

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http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/14/politics/jason-chaffetz-donald-trump-mar-a-lago/index.html

 

 

House Speaker Paul Ryan also downplayed the incident on Tuesday, telling reporters, "It's my understanding that no classified information was discussed. And talking about foreign policy at the dinner table is perfectly appropriate."

 

What happened to Ryan? Was he paid a lot of $ to suddenly act like Trump's best friend?

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Why doesn't Trump make Putin stop this? Trump said throughout his campaign that Putin was a good guy, that he would do what Trump wanted him to do, etc. Where's that command of the situation Trump promised?

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And here's, maybe, why Trump's buddy Putin is making provocative moves. Just enough to get the allies concerned, and coupled with this threat, they'll do what Trump wants.

 

But it has a chilling effect on the relationship.

 

 

 

 

 

None of this is random, folks.

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I am certainly no legal expert or lawyer, but Trump (and his administration) appears to be on the verge of committing treason--assuming they haven't already done so.

 

Repeatedly Trump has asked, "Wouldn't it be great if we (meaning America) got along with Russia?

 

Which raises my question that I would like someone to explain: Why would "getting along" with Russia be so great?

 

Clearly, Trump wants this because of his business deals...but I fail to see why this would be so great for America.

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I am certainly no legal expert or lawyer, but Trump (and his administration) appears to be on the verge of committing treason--assuming they haven't already done so.

 

Repeatedly Trump has asked, "Wouldn't it be great if we (meaning America) got along with Russia?

 

Which raises my question that I would like someone to explain: Why would "getting along" with Russia be so great?

 

Clearly, Trump wants this because of his business deals...but I fail to see why this would be so great for America.

More like "what" getting along with Russia even means? Trump thinks he knows, but doesn't realize Putin is playing him like a fiddle.

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Not a fan of leveraging dead service members. But dang, that's harsh.

 

Agreed. There's always the element of chance in military operations that something could go wrong. However it's one thing to make a calculated decision and have things go wrong. It's another thing to be tweeting about your daughter's clothing line being discontinued at Nordstrom's while you're in the middle of an intelligence meeting.

 

I can only imagine how it must feel to be to be a parent of a service member and a reality show tv star is in charge of their fate.

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Not a fan of leveraging dead service members. But dang, that's harsh.

 

Yes. It seems in very poor taste. A critic can make their point about Trump in any number of ways. These guys shouldn't be politicized.

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I have a major feeling that this isn't going to end well.

 

https://twitter.com/ReutersPolitics/status/836336371245666306

 

This is a 54 BILLION dollar increase in defense spending.

 

https://twitter.com/ReutersPolitics/status/836281934527483905

Think what that could do in education.

 

Generals have been telling us not to build tanks and planes they don't need. We waste obscene amounts of money on a jet that isn't combat ready yet, and won't be until nearly 2 decades after it was approved. But we need to throw more money at our defense budget?

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Well, I guess the people who voted for Trump to stand up to the military industrial complex are going to be disappointed.

 

I REALLY feel like this guy is going to get us in another war.

Well....read the report on the plan to defeat ISIS and you have what you mentioned.

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I know I sound like a broken record but this country isn't worth protecting if we sh#t on the less fortunate and don't regulate pollution. Also, the economy is important but it's not more important than not destroying natural resources. For some reason when we were looking after both, the GOP didn't like it.

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How does Trump reconcile the comments he's made about how horrible it is that we've spent $6 Trillion on the wars in the middle east.....then, he asks for a huge increase in defense spending and the plan the military put forth in front of him to defeat ISIS includes more troops on the ground?

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How does Trump reconcile the comments he's made about how horrible it is that we've spent $6 Trillion on the wars in the middle east.....then, he asks for a huge increase in defense spending and the plan the military put forth in front of him to defeat ISIS includes more troops on the ground?

Has Trump ever reconciled his conflicting statements or actions?

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