Guy Chamberlin Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 23 minutes ago, Archy1221 said: So I’m glad you brought this up an why defining terms is important. Was the election stolen in terms of votes not being counted for Trump or Biden getting made up votes by the machines? That seems like an obvious no. However there are still too many believers of that scenario still. Was the election stolen by states changing election law in the middle of an election without going through the legitimate process of changing those laws? Or just not enforcing the election laws of harvesting? Stolen still may not be the correct word, but those things absolutely took place which could have altered the final vote count. PA SCOTUS famously changed the election laws. Wisconsin was very lax in its harvesting containment. Im of the beliefs that the majority of people who believe the election was stolen refer to this and not what I first talked about. You are wrong, and this kind of flailing rationalization only makes you and the party you enable look worse. At this point I'm betting the majority of those claiming stolen election can't articulate a single piece of vetted evidence. The election was stolen from Trump for Biden, and that's all you need to know. It's now an article of faith. 1 Link to comment
Archy1221 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 26 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said: You are wrong, and this kind of flailing rationalization only makes you and the party you enable look worse. Unless you have specific data to show, then your statement would be a matter of opinion. I don’t run across anyone in my circle who legitimately believes voting machines were tampered with 1 Link to comment
Guy Chamberlin Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 2 hours ago, Archy1221 said: Unless you have specific data to show, then your statement would be a matter of opinion. I don’t run across anyone in my circle who legitimately believes voting machines were tampered with Who said voting machines were the litmus test? If you believe that the election was illegitimate because of state by state Democratic tampering, or because of voting machine tampering, or because of 3 million paper ballots shipped over from Biden's pedophile pals in China, you still believe the election was stolen despite a complete lack of evidence. Either way, you have 70% of a major political party undermining the trust in our electoral system in the event that they lose. Honestly, it's madness. The sane Republicans you keep wanting to cite are notably silent on this subject. When one of them speaks up, like Liz Cheney, you tell her to give it a rest and stay in her lane. TOPLINE Some 56% of Republicans believe that QAnon, a far-right conspiracy theory, is mostly or partly true, according to a new Daily Kos/Civiqs poll released Wednesday, a remarkably high number considering many of the outlandish assertions espoused by QAnon supporters. CNN Poll: Percentage of Republicans who think Biden’s 2020 win was illegitimate ticks back up near 70% By Jennifer Agiesta and Ariel Edwards-Levy, CNN 4 minute read Updated 10:18 AM EDT, Thu August 3, 2023 CNN — The share of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents who believe that President Joe Biden’s 2020 election win was not legitimate has ticked back up, according to a new CNN poll fielded throughout July. All told, 69% of Republicans and Republican-leaners say Biden’s win was not legitimate, up from 63% earlier this year and through last fall, even as there is no evidence of election fraud that would have altered the outcome of the contest. The new poll, conducted in the run-up to former President Donald Trump’s indictment on Tuesday over efforts to overturn the 2020 election, suggests the share of election deniers among his partisans has climbed to a level last seen before hearings held last year by the House select committee investigating the January 6, 2021, attack. In January of 2022, 67% of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents said they thought Biden’s win was not legitimate; that had been as high as 72% in CNN polling in the summer of 2021. Among Republican-aligned adults, the share who believe there is solid evidence proving the election was not legitimate stands at 39%, while 30% say it is merely their suspicion that Biden did not win legitimately, and 29% say Biden’s election was legitimate. The 39% of Republicans and Republican-leaners saying that Biden’s win was not legitimate and that there is evidence for it is not much changed from May, when 36% said the same, and it is well below the high point for that belief, which was 54% shortly after the attack on the US Capitol in January 2021. 1 1 Link to comment
Dr. Strangelove Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 2 hours ago, Archy1221 said: Unless you have specific data to show, then your statement would be a matter of opinion. I don’t run across anyone in my circle who legitimately believes voting machines were tampered with About four in 10 U.S. adults are highly confident that scanning paper ballots into a machine provides accurate counts. Democrats are about twice as confident in the process as Republicans —63% compared to 29%. Link to comment
teachercd Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 1 hour ago, Archy1221 said: Wow...is this for real? Good lord...we are about to GET PAID! Once teacher unions are gone, one of two things will happen. 1. They will reform a new stronger union that will make all you cry when you see your property taxes or 2. We will essentially free agent ourselves and do away with the lame a$$ teacher salary scale...once again making all of you weep as you read your property tax statement! THANK YOU!!! 1 2 1 Link to comment
Archy1221 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 20 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said: f you believe that the election was illegitimate 21 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said: Who said voting machines were the litmus test? If you believe that the election was illegitimate because of state by state Democratic tampering, or because of voting machine tampering, or because of 3 million paper ballots shipped over from Biden's pedophile pals in China, you still believe the election was stolen despite a complete lack of evidence. Either way, you have 70% of a major political party undermining the trust in our electoral system in the event that they lose. Honestly, it's madness. The sane Republicans you keep wanting to cite are notably silent on this subject. When one of them speaks up, like Liz Cheney, you tell her to give it a rest and stay in her lane. TOPLINE Some 56% of Republicans believe that QAnon, a far-right conspiracy theory, is mostly or partly true, according to a new Daily Kos/Civiqs poll released Wednesday, a remarkably high number considering many of the outlandish assertions espoused by QAnon supporters. CNN Poll: Percentage of Republicans who think Biden’s 2020 win was illegitimate ticks back up near 70% By Jennifer Agiesta and Ariel Edwards-Levy, CNN 4 minute read Updated 10:18 AM EDT, Thu August 3, 2023 CNN — The share of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents who believe that President Joe Biden’s 2020 election win was not legitimate has ticked back up, according to a new CNN poll fielded throughout July. All told, 69% of Republicans and Republican-leaners say Biden’s win was not legitimate, up from 63% earlier this year and through last fall, even as there is no evidence of election fraud that would have altered the outcome of the contest. The new poll, conducted in the run-up to former President Donald Trump’s indictment on Tuesday over efforts to overturn the 2020 election, suggests the share of election deniers among his partisans has climbed to a level last seen before hearings held last year by the House select committee investigating the January 6, 2021, attack. In January of 2022, 67% of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents said they thought Biden’s win was not legitimate; that had been as high as 72% in CNN polling in the summer of 2021. Among Republican-aligned adults, the share who believe there is solid evidence proving the election was not legitimate stands at 39%, while 30% say it is merely their suspicion that Biden did not win legitimately, and 29% say Biden’s election was legitimate. The 39% of Republicans and Republican-leaners saying that Biden’s win was not legitimate and that there is evidence for it is not much changed from May, when 36% said the same, and it is well below the high point for that belief, which was 54% shortly after the attack on the US Capitol in January 2021. Again, why won’t they ask the question in these surveys of what they believe was illegitimate about the election. They want to lump everyone together. Believing China shipped in three million ballots altering the outcome and PA illegitimately changing election law in the middle of the election or two vastly different reasons. 1 1 Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 To bad for everyone else that’s in the same boat. 1 1 Link to comment
Guy Chamberlin Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 1 hour ago, Archy1221 said: Again, why won’t they ask the question in these surveys of what they believe was illegitimate about the election. They want to lump everyone together. Believing China shipped in three million ballots altering the outcome and PA illegitimately changing election law in the middle of the election or two vastly different reasons. If you believe that Joe Biden is not the legitimately elected President, it doesn't really matter what evidence-free theory you're running with. You are simply buying your own brand of tailored propaganda to discredit the U.S. electoral system to the benefit of the Republican Party. This started when you didn't think the global liberal pedophile conspiracy theory was a thing. But it's most definitely a thing. Just like this is a thing. With plenty of links provided you. The bigger question is whether the sane Republicans you believe still command the majority are really a majority (or sane) and if they will step up and take the party back. 1 Link to comment
Archy1221 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 38 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said: Just like this is a thing. With plenty of links provided you. Have I disagreed with the links or have I tried to help you and provide context to why someone might answer the question if do you somewhat believe QANON because the question is sooo broad. You make it sound like half Republican Party is tinfoil conspiracy nuts believing anything the QANON group spouts off about. 1 Link to comment
Archy1221 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 2 hours ago, BigRedBuster said: To bad for everyone else that’s in the same boat. Context would matter on this one and it wasn’t provided by Don for some odd reason. What type of Stem cell research did he vote against and what type is he receiving. 1 1 Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 1 hour ago, Archy1221 said: Context would matter on this one and it wasn’t provided by Don for some odd reason. What type of Stem cell research did he vote against and what type is he receiving. Can you tell me what type of stem cell research republicans are for? Link to comment
Scarlet Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 Calling for voter intimidation based on unsubstantiated claims of voter fraud from the overwhelming unquestioned leader of the GOP. 1 Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 15 minutes ago, Scarlet said: Calling for voter intimidation based on unsubstantiated claims of voter fraud from the overwhelming unquestioned leader of the GOP. Isn’t this a crime all by itself? 1 Link to comment
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