Immigration Ban

[BigRedBuster]

12 minutes ago, Bornhusker said:

Allowing voter fraud by encouraging those illegals to vote.

Do you have anything to back this up?

 

12 minutes ago, Bornhusker said:

allowing so many criminals (law breakers) into this country.

Do you have anything to back this up?

 

20 minutes ago, Bornhusker said:

This isn't a ban, it is forcing people to aid by the laws and processes already in place. Allowing anyone and everyone without following the laws put us in this position.

Well....if we would just have fewer people from s#!thole countries wanting in....right?

[Bornhusker]

2 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

 

Not a straw man at all.  Every time you have posted you have basically said you can't or won't engage in a conversation with anyone who disagrees with you.

 

Pretty clear you don't have the confidence in your views to be able to defend them.

 

another straw man

[Bornhusker]

9 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

Do you have anything to back this up?

 

Do you have anything to back this up?

 

Well....if we would just have fewer people from s#!thole countries wanting in....right?

 

 

One of the first things he says is "when you vote, you are a citizen" um, no you are not. Especially the individuals talked about in this video.

 

You want me to back up my claim that allowing illegals into this country is in fact allowing in law breakers in? They are here illegal, thus making them law breakers, thus making them criminals.

 

To the other items you brought up..

Like I mentioned in my EDIT above.. I wish he would shut his trap more often than not. 

Edited January 11, 2018 by Bornhusker

[ZRod]

22 minutes ago, Bornhusker said:

 

 

Show me where I said you were anything at all? This is exactly why I won't participate. I clearly said "more liberal type posters".

 

On this, I am done.

 

EDIT: For the record, Trump has done a number of good things.. deregulation being one of them. With that said, I wish he would shut his trap more often than not. He is way better than the other choice.

Please list said regulations that have been removed and we're some how not beneficial to the well being of the public or industry.

[Kiyoat Husker]

3 hours ago, commando said:

can't get any whiter than norwegian white.

 

My Norwegian Great-grandfather first came over in 1898, when he was 17, along with his cousin.  They came because Norway was poor, the population was booming, and there weren't enough jobs. 

 

He came to make money in America, and travelled all over the upper midwest as a "migrant worker" taking odd-jobs that were labor intensive.  Jobs that nobody else wanted.

 

  Once he had made enough money, he went back to Norway to get married, had three kids in three years, and they all immigrated in 1904.

 

  He then worked on Orman Dam (world's most massive earthen dam) up in the Black Hills for several years, had 12 kids, and never really learned English.

 

To me, that sounds a lot like what the Mexicans, Guatemalans, and Salvadorans are doing, except that he was white.  "Chain Migration", anyone?

Edited January 12, 2018 by Kiyoat Husker

[Bornhusker]

2 minutes ago, ZRod said:

Please list said regulations that have been removed and we're some how not beneficial to the well being of the public or industry.

 

 

Off the top of my head net neutrality. Of course if I don't produce info from the appropriate liberal approved site it won't matter what I use to back my claim.

 

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/why-ajit-pais-decision-killing-obamas-net-neutrality-fcc-regulation-is-good/article/2641528

 

is this to right wing nut job? I have no clue, honestly.

[commando]

chain migration can have terrible results

 

Edited January 11, 2018 by commando

[ZRod]

18 minutes ago, Bornhusker said:

 

 

One of the first things he says is "when you vote, you are a citizen" um, no you are not. Especially the individuals talked about in this video.

 

You want me to back up my claim that allowing illegals into this country is in fact allowing in law breakers in? They are here illegal, thus making them law breakers, thus making them criminals.

 

To the other items you brought up..

Like I mentioned in my EDIT above.. I wish he would shut his trap more often than not. 

Do you not understand context? He's talking about legal voters and the ramifications that voting may have on their illegal relatives. He never said anything about not going after illegal immigrants or illegal voters.

[NM11046]

7 minutes ago, Kiyoat Husker said:

 

My Norwegian Great-grandfather first came over in 1898, when he was 17, along with his cousin.  They came because Norway was poor, the population was booming, and there weren't enough jobs.  He came to make money in America, and travelled all over the upper midwest as a "migrant worker" taking odd-jobs that were labor intensive.  Jobs that nobody else wanted.  Once he had made enough money, he went back to Norway to get married, had three kids in three years, and they all immigrated in 1904.  He then worked on Orman Dam (world's most massive earthen dam) up in the Black Hills for several years, had 12 kids, and never really learned English.

 

To me, that sounds a lot like what the Mexicans, Guatemalans, and Salvadorans are doing, except that he was white.  "Chain Migration", anyone?

Not to point out the obvious, but what color was his skin?

 

Trumps family were Chain Migrants starting with his mother, even closer to the man himself.

[ZRod]

5 minutes ago, Bornhusker said:

 

 

Off the top of my head net neutrality. Of course if I don't produce info from the appropriate liberal approved site it won't matter what I use to back my claim.

 

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/why-ajit-pais-decision-killing-obamas-net-neutrality-fcc-regulation-is-good/article/2641528

 

is this to right wing nut job? I have no clue, honestly.

Seriously??? Net neutrality was a bad thing. An open and unrestricted internet was a bad thing? High speeds for all data was bad?

[Bornhusker]

4 minutes ago, ZRod said:

Seriously??? Net neutrality was a bad thing. An open and unrestricted internet was a bad thing? High speeds for all data was bad?

 

Yes, seriously! I have been on forums like this to know from this point forwarding it is nothing but a pissing match. You are solid in your beliefs, correct me if I am wrong, that government should regulate everything. I am firm in my belief it shouldn't. Everything between that will be a pissing match.

 

Can you tell me what has changed since it's removal? Also, how bad was the internet before it? Did anything, that you know of personally, change for the better after it was put in place?

[Kiyoat Husker]

Why the hell would any Norwegian want to immigrate to the US today?  To be free from universal health care and lack of gun violence?

[Bornhusker]

3 minutes ago, Kiyoat Husker said:

Why the hell would any Norwegian want to immigrate to the US today?  To be free from universal health care and lack of gun violence?

 

 

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/438331/nordic-democratic-socialist-model-exposing-lefts-myth

 

Quote

A common misconception is that the Nordic countries became socially and economically successful by introducing universal welfare states funded by high taxes. In fact, their economic and social success had already materialized during a period when these countries combined a small public sector with free-market policies. The welfare state was introduced afterward. That the Nordic countries are so successful is due to an exceptional culture that emphasizes social cohesion, hard work, and individual responsibility.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/438331/nordic-democratic-socialist-model-exposing-lefts-myth

 

Edited January 11, 2018 by Bornhusker

[Landlord]

1 minute ago, Bornhusker said:

You are solid in your beliefs, correct me if I am wrong, that government should regulate everything.

 

48 minutes ago, Bornhusker said:

You can't respond without creating straw man arguments?

 

 

The irony is knife-cutting thick.

 

 

 

Reality is, this is a ban. How do we know that? Because Trump and everyone else that came up with it has called it as much. Several times. On record.

 

Further, this isn't about illegal immigration by itself. This is about a lot of things, including suspending any new applicants for legal migration. It's also about fear-mongering. Trump and Co. have cited terrorism as an impetus for this several times, yet the data shows that we have a 99.9% success rate in screening potential future terrorists trying to immigrate into this country (hint, terrorists aren't trying to use this incredibly effective and painstaking and long process to try and get into this country - there are much easier ways).

[Bornhusker]

2 minutes ago, Landlord said:

 

 

 

The irony is knife-cutting thick.

 

 

 

Reality is, this is a ban. How do we know that? Because Trump and everyone else that came up with it has called it as much. Several times. On record.

 

Further, this isn't about illegal immigration by itself. This is about a lot of things, including suspending any new applicants for legal migration. It's also about fear-mongering. Trump and Co. have cited terrorism as an impetus for this several times, yet the data shows that we have a 99.9% success rate in screening potential future terrorists trying to immigrate into this country (hint, terrorists aren't trying to use this incredibly effective and painstaking and long process to try and get into this country - there are much easier ways).

 

 

not as thick as you think.. I clearly stated "correct me if I am wrong". I didn't assign a position for the purposes of discrediting him. THAT is a straw man argument..