The Environment

[teachercd]

7 hours ago, Lorewarn said:

 

 

Yet here you are commenting. So meta.

 

 

I do like that cartoon!

 

[Archy1221]

10 hours ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

 

How do you know the Earth's climate has changed over billions of years? How do you know that the Earth didn't used to have glaciers?

I saw it in a movie. 
 

10 hours ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

 

The reason we know all this about the Earth is because scientists dedicated their lives to studying it. And it's those same scientists who know perfectly well about the Earth's violent past who are tracking the 100%* undeniable fact of global warming, glacial melt, climate change and severe weather increase. These f#&%ers are so smart they took that cold week in Omaha into account. When asked for a reason for this rapid of a change in this particular Earth window, some theorize that the trillions of tons of carbon thrown into the atmosphere since the industrial revolution could easily have that effect. Some point out that volcanoes do the same thing. But the smart ones point out that human industrialization can affect the Earth's climate just like historic eruptions do. One hardly excuses the other. 

Scientists are super smart.  Scientists do great work.  The climate does change.  Glaciers so melt, and freeze.  Humans do have some effect on the climate.  
 

10 hours ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

It was the tree huggers at the Pentagon who identified climate change as the worst threat to global stability. Maybe you could take it up with them. In the meantime, under the cloak of socialism, the push to more efficient energy usage turns out to have a strong business innovation, jobs creation, and American intellectual property component. I guess horse manufacturers were threatened by the arrival of the automobile back in the day, but we survived, and somehow managed to live with a lot less horses#!t. 

 

* Mathematical probability, not racist. 

I’m pretty sure nuclear war is a greater threat than climate change, so yeah, I guess I take it up with them.  Damn tree huggers ruin everything. 
 

Yes less horses#!t but it ended up changing the climate to a serious 10 on a scale of 1-10.  Sounds like we should have stayed with the horses#!t. 

[teachercd]

Did you guys know that the sun is going to run out of energy in like 5 billion years… I’m not leaving my house today

[ZRod]

10 hours ago, DevoHusker said:

Environmental change is real. Yes.

It may or may not be a problem for humanity, we truly do not know.

 

Why doesn't the free market mitigate the problem? Do you have sources for that? And, if human consumption is the driving factor, what is anyone doing about China, India and Russia...whose negative output dwarfs the US and Eu?

 

No, I don't believe that "usage" or "consumption" taxes or fair or realistic. Tell that to the climate warriors that jet set around the globe to tell me that my 2008 F150 is the major contributing factor. gtfoh

 

Nope, not a smoker. My dad is/was and still says he should have a seat in Devaney in perpetuity cause "smoker's taxes" paid for it.

 

As to the rest, we learned as we go...and some things are definitive and some are supposition.

Seriously? We know it will be a problem... This isn't debatable.

 

Again, seriously? What sources do you need to understand that the free market doesn't care about the environment? Did you not follow my logic with all the banned things I listed? The electric car has been around for almost 200 years and predates the ICE car by 30 to 40 years. We've known the effects and sources of green house gases for well over 100 years. Hybrids vehicles have been viable for over 20 years. Tesla began mass producing the model S almost 12 years ago. And only now (after heavy international government regulations) are traditional car manufacturers going full bore into electrification and alternative fuels... Free market don't care.

 

Would it shock you to know that China has the highest fleet of personal and commercial electric vehicles of any country in the world? Or that they are now considered the leader in EV vehicle manufacturing, and Western OEMs are terrified of competing with them on price alone?

 

I continue to be amazed at your ability to find rage anywhere you want. You're F150 is not THE problem, and neither is that jet plane. We, as a society, are collectively the problem to our own future. A story as old as time.

[ZRod]

47 minutes ago, teachercd said:

Did you guys know that the sun is going to run out of energy in like 5 billion years… I’m not leaving my house today

It's ok it will still be warm, and it will consume the earth in about 7 billion years so it will be pretty toasty for us.

[teachercd]

2 minutes ago, ZRod said:

It's ok it will still be warm, and it will consume the earth in about 7 billion years so it will be pretty toasty for us.

"Toasty" reminds me of Mortal Kombat!

[DevoHusker]

10 minutes ago, ZRod said:

Seriously? We know it will be a problem... This isn't debatable

 

I continue to be amazed at your ability to find rage anywhere you want. You're F150 is not THE problem, and neither is that jet plane. We, as a society, are collectively the problem to our own future. A story as old as time.

The only person finding rage is you, and it's because I don't hold the same position or outlook as you do. This is what I believe. I am in the center.

 

[teachercd]

5 minutes ago, DevoHusker said:

The only person finding rage is you, and it's because I don't hold the same position or outlook as you do. This is what I believe. I am in the center.

 

BEST POST!

[ZRod]

12 minutes ago, DevoHusker said:

The only person finding rage is you, and it's because I don't hold the same position or outlook as you do. This is what I believe. I am in the center.

 

 

Of course you should believe all 3 of those things, as I do, but if you really don't think we understand the causes, impacts, and methods to reduce climate change then you don't really believe the bottom circle.

 

Look eco terrorist and wacko protestors are a bunch of idiots, but that doesn't mean the foundation of what they are saying is wrong.

[Decked]

Rothmus is the best libertarian meme account on Twitter 

[teachercd]

16 minutes ago, ZRod said:

 

Of course you should believe all 3 of those things, as I do, but if you really don't think we understand the causes, impacts, and methods to reduce climate change then you don't really believe the bottom circle.

 

Look eco terrorist and wacko protestors are a bunch of idiots, but that doesn't mean the foundation of what they are saying is wrong.

If they USE/Do anything at all that hurts they environment, anything at all, then they are liars and hypocrites.  And their thoughts and actions do not matter.

[ZRod]

10 minutes ago, teachercd said:

If they USE/Do anything at all that hurts they environment, anything at all, then they are liars and hypocrites.  And their thoughts and actions do not matter.

So... We should have never listened to our teachers in the first place then?

[knapplc]

12 minutes ago, teachercd said:

If they USE/Do anything at all that hurts they environment, anything at all, then they are liars and hypocrites.  And their thoughts and actions do not matter.

 

 

This is among your least funny lines.

 

[teachercd]

3 minutes ago, ZRod said:

So... We should have never listened to our teachers in the first place then?

Do any students actually listen to their teachers?

 

But, if you are an envirobro and you use gas or ride in a friends car or drink out of plastic.  You are a phony.  

Just now, knapplc said:

 

 

This is among your least funny lines.

 

That is saying a lot!  Since most of them are not funny!

[ZRod]

Is it like a lesson plan day at school or something? Holy Christ somebody is sucking taxpayer dollars for no return on investment today.