Red Five Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 Is Riley's recruiting process/organization better? I would say 'yes'. But the end results so far under Riley have been pretty much the same that we saw under Bo. And one could argue that Bo brought in higher level talent (more 4*s) than what Riley has done. 2017 #23 / 5 4*s / 20 commits 2016 #24 / 5 4*s / 21 commits 2015 #30 / 4 4*s / 21 commits (transition class) 2014 #36 / 2 4*s / 25 commits 2013 #22 / 7 4*s / 24 commits 2012 #31 / 8 4*s / 17 commits 2011 #16 / 9 4*s / 21 commits 2010 #27 / 5 4*s / 20 commits With that said, hopefully it changes this year and we get that breakthrough top 10-15 class. 2018 MR- 89.5 (so far) 2017 MR- 87.5 2016 MR- 87 2015 MR- 86.1 2014 Bo - 84.7 avg 2013 Bo- 86.5 2012 Bo- 87.7 2011 Bo- 88.3 2010 Bo- 78 (lol) Pretty laughable that you tried to use Team Ranking, when you basically have no control over who other teams get to get in front of you and it bases it off of how many recruits you land. Besides that, MR proving he can get better and better, while Bo fell off a cliff. Now, will you please stay off my lawn? Bo's average player ranking 2010-2014 - .8701 (Bo's 78 in 2010 includes walkons b/c 247 included them on 2010 and prior classes. Mav's chart has the corret 2010 average of .8642) Mike's average player ranking 2016-2017 - .8733 (I left off the 2015 transition class) Mike is killing Bo on the recruiting trail!!!!11!!1!!!!!11! Quote Link to comment
ScottyIce Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 Is Riley's recruiting process/organization better? I would say 'yes'. But the end results so far under Riley have been pretty much the same that we saw under Bo. And one could argue that Bo brought in higher level talent (more 4*s) than what Riley has done. 2017 #23 / 5 4*s / 20 commits 2016 #24 / 5 4*s / 21 commits 2015 #30 / 4 4*s / 21 commits (transition class) 2014 #36 / 2 4*s / 25 commits 2013 #22 / 7 4*s / 24 commits 2012 #31 / 8 4*s / 17 commits 2011 #16 / 9 4*s / 21 commits 2010 #27 / 5 4*s / 20 commits With that said, hopefully it changes this year and we get that breakthrough top 10-15 class. I agree with your point that they're basically the same so far. But even if Riley only lands a top 25 class, that'll be three in a row, which is better than Bo who was really up and down in recruiting rankings. 2010: 3 out of 5 of the 4 stars completed their eligibility. One of those being a JUCO. Cooper was the only standout2011: 4 out of 9 completed eligibility. None were standouts 2012: 4 out of 8 completed eligibility. Cross, Westerkamp, Rose-Ivey, and Armstrong were the standouts. 2013: 4 out of 7 completed eligibility. Newby, Banderas, and Newby standouts 2014: 2 for 2 so far. Gates and Farmer 2015: 3 out of 4 so far still on the team. Only Jordan Stevenson is gone 2016: 5 out of 5 still here 2017: 5 for 5 but obviously it's early. So Bo was 17-31 on 4 stars staying through their eligibility. Riley is currently 13-14 but again it's early Stephenson doesn't count, he wasn't including in those rankings. Was added in august that year, or summer at least. So riley is 13-13 Quote Link to comment
Red Five Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 Is Riley's recruiting process/organization better? I would say 'yes'. But the end results so far under Riley have been pretty much the same that we saw under Bo. And one could argue that Bo brought in higher level talent (more 4*s) than what Riley has done. 2017 #23 / 5 4*s / 20 commits 2016 #24 / 5 4*s / 21 commits 2015 #30 / 4 4*s / 21 commits (transition class) 2014 #36 / 2 4*s / 25 commits 2013 #22 / 7 4*s / 24 commits 2012 #31 / 8 4*s / 17 commits 2011 #16 / 9 4*s / 21 commits 2010 #27 / 5 4*s / 20 commits With that said, hopefully it changes this year and we get that breakthrough top 10-15 class. I agree with your point that they're basically the same so far. But even if Riley only lands a top 25 class, that'll be three in a row, which is better than Bo who was really up and down in recruiting rankings. 2010: 3 out of 5 of the 4 stars completed their eligibility. One of those being a JUCO. Cooper was the only standout2011: 4 out of 9 completed eligibility. None were standouts 2012: 4 out of 8 completed eligibility. Cross, Westerkamp, Rose-Ivey, and Armstrong were the standouts. 2013: 4 out of 7 completed eligibility. Newby, Banderas, and Newby standouts 2014: 2 for 2 so far. Gates and Farmer 2015: 3 out of 4 so far still on the team. Only Jordan Stevenson is gone 2016: 5 out of 5 still here 2017: 5 for 5 but obviously it's early. So Bo was 17-31 on 4 stars staying through their eligibility. Riley is currently 13-14 but again it's early Stephenson doesn't count, he wasn't including in those rankings. Was added in august that year, or summer at least. So riley is 13-13 Check again. 247 has Jordan Stevenson as our 3rd highest ranked recruit. Quote Link to comment
ScottyIce Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 Is Riley's recruiting process/organization better? I would say 'yes'. But the end results so far under Riley have been pretty much the same that we saw under Bo. And one could argue that Bo brought in higher level talent (more 4*s) than what Riley has done. 2017 #23 / 5 4*s / 20 commits 2016 #24 / 5 4*s / 21 commits 2015 #30 / 4 4*s / 21 commits (transition class) 2014 #36 / 2 4*s / 25 commits 2013 #22 / 7 4*s / 24 commits 2012 #31 / 8 4*s / 17 commits 2011 #16 / 9 4*s / 21 commits 2010 #27 / 5 4*s / 20 commits With that said, hopefully it changes this year and we get that breakthrough top 10-15 class. 2018 MR- 89.5 (so far)2017 MR- 87.5 2016 MR- 87 2015 MR- 86.1 2014 Bo - 84.7 avg 2013 Bo- 86.5 2012 Bo- 87.7 2011 Bo- 88.3 2010 Bo- 78 (lol) Pretty laughable that you tried to use Team Ranking, when you basically have no control over who other teams get to get in front of you and it bases it off of how many recruits you land. Besides that, MR proving he can get better and better, while Bo fell off a cliff. Now, will you please stay off my lawn? Bo's average player ranking 2010-2014 - .8701 (Bo's 78 in 2010 includes walkons b/c 247 included them on 2010 and prior classes. Mav's chart has the corret 2010 average of .8642) Mike's average player ranking 2016-2017 - .8733 (I left off the 2015 transition class) Mike is killing Bo on the recruiting trail!!!!11!!1!!!!!11! Like I said, he is not = to Bo. Also, his classes keep getting better. Bo's sunk. Also, how many baseball players are included in Bo's "standout" classes? Quote Link to comment
knapplc Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 I was thinking about using those characters as the basis for next year's Starting Lineup avatars. Good idea? Bad idea? Quote Link to comment
ScottyIce Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 Is Riley's recruiting process/organization better? I would say 'yes'. But the end results so far under Riley have been pretty much the same that we saw under Bo. And one could argue that Bo brought in higher level talent (more 4*s) than what Riley has done. 2017 #23 / 5 4*s / 20 commits 2016 #24 / 5 4*s / 21 commits 2015 #30 / 4 4*s / 21 commits (transition class) 2014 #36 / 2 4*s / 25 commits 2013 #22 / 7 4*s / 24 commits 2012 #31 / 8 4*s / 17 commits 2011 #16 / 9 4*s / 21 commits 2010 #27 / 5 4*s / 20 commits With that said, hopefully it changes this year and we get that breakthrough top 10-15 class. I agree with your point that they're basically the same so far. But even if Riley only lands a top 25 class, that'll be three in a row, which is better than Bo who was really up and down in recruiting rankings. 2010: 3 out of 5 of the 4 stars completed their eligibility. One of those being a JUCO. Cooper was the only standout2011: 4 out of 9 completed eligibility. None were standouts 2012: 4 out of 8 completed eligibility. Cross, Westerkamp, Rose-Ivey, and Armstrong were the standouts. 2013: 4 out of 7 completed eligibility. Newby, Banderas, and Newby standouts 2014: 2 for 2 so far. Gates and Farmer 2015: 3 out of 4 so far still on the team. Only Jordan Stevenson is gone 2016: 5 out of 5 still here 2017: 5 for 5 but obviously it's early. So Bo was 17-31 on 4 stars staying through their eligibility. Riley is currently 13-14 but again it's early Stephenson doesn't count, he wasn't including in those rankings. Was added in august that year, or summer at least. So riley is 13-13 Check again. 247 has Jordan Stevenson as our 3rd highest ranked recruit. Fair enough. Didn't look, I thought they didn't include late adds in rankings. Quote Link to comment
ScottyIce Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 I was thinking about using those characters as the basis for next year's Starting Lineup avatars. Good idea? Bad idea? We are in the middle of something old man! Quote Link to comment
Mavric Posted April 14, 2017 Author Share Posted April 14, 2017 Is Riley's recruiting process/organization better? I would say 'yes'. But the end results so far under Riley have been pretty much the same that we saw under Bo. And one could argue that Bo brought in higher level talent (more 4*s) than what Riley has done. 2017 #23 / 5 4*s / 20 commits 2016 #24 / 5 4*s / 21 commits 2015 #30 / 4 4*s / 21 commits (transition class) 2014 #36 / 2 4*s / 25 commits 2013 #22 / 7 4*s / 24 commits 2012 #31 / 8 4*s / 17 commits 2011 #16 / 9 4*s / 21 commits 2010 #27 / 5 4*s / 20 commits With that said, hopefully it changes this year and we get that breakthrough top 10-15 class. 2018 MR- 89.5 (so far)2017 MR- 87.5 2016 MR- 87 2015 MR- 86.1 2014 Bo - 84.7 avg 2013 Bo- 86.5 2012 Bo- 87.7 2011 Bo- 88.3 2010 Bo- 78 (lol) Pretty laughable that you tried to use Team Ranking, when you basically have no control over who other teams get to get in front of you and it bases it off of how many recruits you land. Besides that, MR proving he can get better and better, while Bo fell off a cliff. Now, will you please stay off my lawn? Here you go Mav. Didn't go run and hide anywhere. That's basically the same info I just posted - actually posted months ago. Thanks though. So Riley's two full classes have averaged .8707 and .8758. Bo's full classes ranged from .8580 to .8832. Bo has more classes to this point. Some of his classes have been better than Riley's, some have been worse. Riley has been right in the same range where Bo was. Quote Link to comment
Mavric Posted April 14, 2017 Author Share Posted April 14, 2017 I was thinking about using those characters as the basis for next year's Starting Lineup avatars. Good idea? Bad idea? I like it. Quote Link to comment
Landlord Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 I was thinking about using those characters as the basis for next year's Starting Lineup avatars. Good idea? Bad idea? Only if we can start a thread for a twitter feed about all of the winners. Quote Link to comment
ScottyIce Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 Is Riley's recruiting process/organization better? I would say 'yes'. But the end results so far under Riley have been pretty much the same that we saw under Bo. And one could argue that Bo brought in higher level talent (more 4*s) than what Riley has done. 2017 #23 / 5 4*s / 20 commits 2016 #24 / 5 4*s / 21 commits 2015 #30 / 4 4*s / 21 commits (transition class) 2014 #36 / 2 4*s / 25 commits 2013 #22 / 7 4*s / 24 commits 2012 #31 / 8 4*s / 17 commits 2011 #16 / 9 4*s / 21 commits 2010 #27 / 5 4*s / 20 commits With that said, hopefully it changes this year and we get that breakthrough top 10-15 class. 2018 MR- 89.5 (so far)2017 MR- 87.5 2016 MR- 87 2015 MR- 86.1 2014 Bo - 84.7 avg 2013 Bo- 86.5 2012 Bo- 87.7 2011 Bo- 88.3 2010 Bo- 78 (lol) Pretty laughable that you tried to use Team Ranking, when you basically have no control over who other teams get to get in front of you and it bases it off of how many recruits you land. Besides that, MR proving he can get better and better, while Bo fell off a cliff. Now, will you please stay off my lawn? Here you go Mav. Didn't go run and hide anywhere. That's basically the same info I just posted - actually posted months ago. Thanks though. So Riley's two full classes have averaged .8707 and .8758. Bo's full classes ranged from .8580 to .8832. Bo has more classes to this point. Some of his classes have been better than Riley's, some have been worse. Riley has been right in the same range where Bo was. Can you admit Mikes are on the up and up and Bo's fell off a cliff? Also, if you look up, you'll see i posted those averages before you did, today at least. Quote Link to comment
Mavric Posted April 14, 2017 Author Share Posted April 14, 2017 Is Riley's recruiting process/organization better? I would say 'yes'. But the end results so far under Riley have been pretty much the same that we saw under Bo. And one could argue that Bo brought in higher level talent (more 4*s) than what Riley has done. 2017 #23 / 5 4*s / 20 commits 2016 #24 / 5 4*s / 21 commits 2015 #30 / 4 4*s / 21 commits (transition class) 2014 #36 / 2 4*s / 25 commits 2013 #22 / 7 4*s / 24 commits 2012 #31 / 8 4*s / 17 commits 2011 #16 / 9 4*s / 21 commits 2010 #27 / 5 4*s / 20 commits With that said, hopefully it changes this year and we get that breakthrough top 10-15 class. 2018 MR- 89.5 (so far)2017 MR- 87.5 2016 MR- 87 2015 MR- 86.1 2014 Bo - 84.7 avg 2013 Bo- 86.5 2012 Bo- 87.7 2011 Bo- 88.3 2010 Bo- 78 (lol) Pretty laughable that you tried to use Team Ranking, when you basically have no control over who other teams get to get in front of you and it bases it off of how many recruits you land. Besides that, MR proving he can get better and better, while Bo fell off a cliff. Now, will you please stay off my lawn? Here you go Mav. Didn't go run and hide anywhere. That's basically the same info I just posted - actually posted months ago. Thanks though. So Riley's two full classes have averaged .8707 and .8758. Bo's full classes ranged from .8580 to .8832. Bo has more classes to this point. Some of his classes have been better than Riley's, some have been worse. Riley has been right in the same range where Bo was. Can you admit Mikes are on the up and up and Bo's fell off a cliff? Can you admit they've been pretty much the same so far? Quote Link to comment
StPaulHusker Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 Riley is showing an upward trend in recruiting. He and his coaching staff are far and away more enthusiastic about recruiting. They also use Lincoln as an asset and not a detriment to getting players to commit. Bo was not better than Mike in any of these areas. 4 Quote Link to comment
NUance Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 Let me know when you start posting info again... You usually disappear when I post info because you don't have a argument against it. But anyway, this is from a thread that has been going for over a year. It was brought up that average ranking may be a better indication that class ranking. the reasoning for that is it - to some extent - corrects for different class sizes. With 2017 Class Final Class Average Recruits (# 4*+) 02 .8316 18 (2) 03 .8316 19 (2) 04 .8237 20 (2) 05* .8523 32 (7) 06* .8493 22 (5) 07* .8587 26 (6) 08 .8449 29 (3) 09 .8580 19 (2) 10* .8642 20 (5) 11 .8832 21 (9) 12 .8773 17 (8) 13 .8655 24 (7) 14 .8601 25 (2) 15 .8617 21 (4) 16 .8707 21 (5) 17 .8758 20 (5) * 2005 - Leon Jackson isn't on 247's list but was a 4* on Rivals * 2006 - Major Culbert doesn't show a rating on 247 but was a high 3* on Rivals * 2007 - Armando Murillo (JUCO) not included in 247's list * 2010 - Stanley Jean-Baptiste and Chase Harper (JUCOs) not included in 247's rankings First, I'm a big fan of Mike Riley and I think he is a better recruiter than Bo. But the numbers you post here don't seem to support that. In fact, I'd always thought Callahan was a better recruiter than Bo. But really there's not much of a difference between the three. I don't know what to make of that. : One thing about Bo, he was better at filling gaps with JUCOs. He pulled in quite a few highly ranked JUCOs who became key players on his teams. That strategy worked especially well for Bo since he seemed very reluctant to let freshmen or even sophomores on the field. Riley and staff aren't going after JUCOs the way Bo did. But Riley seems more willing to let underclassmen see more action earlier. So there's that. Quote Link to comment
ScottyIce Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 Is Riley's recruiting process/organization better? I would say 'yes'. But the end results so far under Riley have been pretty much the same that we saw under Bo. And one could argue that Bo brought in higher level talent (more 4*s) than what Riley has done. 2017 #23 / 5 4*s / 20 commits 2016 #24 / 5 4*s / 21 commits 2015 #30 / 4 4*s / 21 commits (transition class) 2014 #36 / 2 4*s / 25 commits 2013 #22 / 7 4*s / 24 commits 2012 #31 / 8 4*s / 17 commits 2011 #16 / 9 4*s / 21 commits 2010 #27 / 5 4*s / 20 commits With that said, hopefully it changes this year and we get that breakthrough top 10-15 class. 2018 MR- 89.5 (so far)2017 MR- 87.5 2016 MR- 87 2015 MR- 86.1 2014 Bo - 84.7 avg 2013 Bo- 86.5 2012 Bo- 87.7 2011 Bo- 88.3 2010 Bo- 78 (lol) Pretty laughable that you tried to use Team Ranking, when you basically have no control over who other teams get to get in front of you and it bases it off of how many recruits you land. Besides that, MR proving he can get better and better, while Bo fell off a cliff. Now, will you please stay off my lawn? Here you go Mav. Didn't go run and hide anywhere. That's basically the same info I just posted - actually posted months ago. Thanks though. So Riley's two full classes have averaged .8707 and .8758. Bo's full classes ranged from .8580 to .8832. Bo has more classes to this point. Some of his classes have been better than Riley's, some have been worse. Riley has been right in the same range where Bo was. Can you admit Mikes are on the up and up and Bo's fell off a cliff? Can you admit they've been pretty much the same so far? No. if we are competing in any "higher score wins" sport and I score 87.3 and you score 87, who wins? Quote Link to comment
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