Fox News Scandals

[Pedro Guerrero]

What is it with the name Bill and being pervy?

[teachercd]

And in harraasment's corner, we have teach. Fighting the good fight. Reprehensible, but carry on.

I see what you just did. It starts with the letter H...

 

Also, it is noted that you have given me permission to carry on so I will assume there will be no issues on your end. Thanks!

[Danny Bateman]

 

I'm no fan of Bill O'Reilly. And I don't think liberals had anything whatsoever to do with the accusations. But they (liberals) are jumping all over this story. Just like the conservative media would be jumping all over this if this had happened to a democrat or member of the liberal media. So there's that.

 

You're probably correct.

 

If the #1 liberal talk show host sexually harassed 5+ women, the liberal POTUS defended his actions, and the liberal news site and it's own sexual harasser Chairman paid victims $13M+ to cover it up until it was unearthed by the real news, I don't assume conservatives would just let that go.

 

 

Indeed.

 

If and when we found out that Rachel Maddow had been going around for years grabbing guys by their ding-dongs, I'd be the first in line to call on MSNBC to dump her. It's not an ideological thing, it's a BOR was a serial sexual harasser of women thing.

 

Also, he was just an awful human being and an complete asshat. At least the TV personality he portrayed was. More from his greatest hits:

 

 

Note what occurs at ~1:07.

[BigRedBuster]

 

 

I'm no fan of Bill O'Reilly. And I don't think liberals had anything whatsoever to do with the accusations. But they (liberals) are jumping all over this story. Just like the conservative media would be jumping all over this if this had happened to a democrat or member of the liberal media. So there's that.

 

You're probably correct.

 

If the #1 liberal talk show host sexually harassed 5+ women, the liberal POTUS defended his actions, and the liberal news site and it's own sexual harasser Chairman paid victims $13M+ to cover it up until it was unearthed by the real news, I don't assume conservatives would just let that go.

 

 

Indeed.

 

If and when we found out that Rachel Maddow had been going around for years grabbing guys by their ding-dongs, I'd be the first in line to call on MSNBC to dump her. It's not an ideological thing, it's a BOR was a serial sexual harasser of women thing.

 

Also, he was just an awful human being and an complete asshat. At least the TV personality he portrayed was. More from his greatest hits:

 

 

Note what occurs at ~1:07.

 

Well....technically, I think both O'Reilly and Maddow would be harassing the same people.

[knapplc]

[Danny Bateman]

 

 

 

I'm no fan of Bill O'Reilly. And I don't think liberals had anything whatsoever to do with the accusations. But they (liberals) are jumping all over this story. Just like the conservative media would be jumping all over this if this had happened to a democrat or member of the liberal media. So there's that.

 

You're probably correct.

 

If the #1 liberal talk show host sexually harassed 5+ women, the liberal POTUS defended his actions, and the liberal news site and it's own sexual harasser Chairman paid victims $13M+ to cover it up until it was unearthed by the real news, I don't assume conservatives would just let that go.

 

 

Indeed.

 

If and when we found out that Rachel Maddow had been going around for years grabbing guys by their ding-dongs, I'd be the first in line to call on MSNBC to dump her. It's not an ideological thing, it's a BOR was a serial sexual harasser of women thing.

 

Also, he was just an awful human being and an complete asshat. At least the TV personality he portrayed was. More from his greatest hits:

 

 

Note what occurs at ~1:07.

 

Well....technically, I think both O'Reilly and Maddow would be harassing the same people.

 

 

Is Maddow gay? I didn't know that.

 

Ok, I've replace ding-dong with areola and carry on. Point still stands.

[knapplc]

 

 

 

 

I'm no fan of Bill O'Reilly. And I don't think liberals had anything whatsoever to do with the accusations. But they (liberals) are jumping all over this story. Just like the conservative media would be jumping all over this if this had happened to a democrat or member of the liberal media. So there's that.

You're probably correct.

 

If the #1 liberal talk show host sexually harassed 5+ women, the liberal POTUS defended his actions, and the liberal news site and it's own sexual harasser Chairman paid victims $13M+ to cover it up until it was unearthed by the real news, I don't assume conservatives would just let that go.

 

Indeed.

 

If and when we found out that Rachel Maddow had been going around for years grabbing guys by their ding-dongs, I'd be the first in line to call on MSNBC to dump her. It's not an ideological thing, it's a BOR was a serial sexual harasser of women thing.

 

Also, he was just an awful human being and an complete asshat. At least the TV personality he portrayed was. More from his greatest hits:

 

 

Note what occurs at ~1:07.

 

Well....technically, I think both O'Reilly and Maddow would be harassing the same people.

 

Is Maddow gay? I didn't know that.

 

Ok, I've replace ding-dong with areola and carry on. Point still stands.

 

I did not know Rachel Maddow is gay. Huh.

[NM11046]

For the record - opinion of one, but one who has been in many situations where I've had to have awkward conversations about awareness, where i've gone to HR and where i've "fought back":

 

• Harassment is a power move.
• Doesn't matter if it's a man and he has muscles or a woman who is 4'8'.
• Doesn't matter if someone is physically hurt or not.
• If someone makes you uncomfortable it's wrong. It may not be harassment - but it's wrong and it should be acknowledged.
• Assume the best in people. If it makes you uncomfortable tell the person. 9/10 they have no idea and will apologetically change their behavior - you're doing them a favor moving forward.
• Don't be vague in your accusation - be specific. "When you touched my back I felt awkward and I'd prefer that you not do that."
• Personally I wouldn't take someone telling me I looked "nice today" as harassment, unless they said it while licking their lips or grabbing their crotch.
• I wouldn't take someone saying "they'd introduce me to someone on a blind date" as harassment - that's just reaching.
• If you ever felt that bringing up your discomfort in a situation would result in retaliation of any sort that is harassment.
• If someone is a dope that does not make them a harasser.
• Men can harass men, women can harass women.
• Harassment is somewhat similar to porn in that (paraphrasing Jude Potter's words) "I can't define it, but I know it when I see it".
• If you've been harassed, there is very little doubt what is happening.
• There is no double standard on men or women being harassers or harassees' - it's one of the few issues that has no sexual preference.
• Often times odd comments made to you ("want a screw") make you aware of what and how you say things.
• Shouldn't matter if you are in mixed company or not - inappropriate comments are inappropriate.
• Number of people of one sex or another in a business organization does not make it more or less likely that you'll be harassed.

I can't get a read on whether some of you are joking around - so, I couldn't not type this out. It's serious and very real.

 

(apologies - spell check kept changing my harass conjugations - not sure that I caught them all)

[zoogs]

Thanks for that post, NM11046. Well stated and important.

[BigRedBuster]

For the record - opinion of one, but one who has been in many situations where I've had to have awkward conversations about awareness, where i've gone to HR and where i've "fought back":

 

• Harassment is a power move.
• Doesn't matter if it's a man and he has muscles or a woman who is 4'8'.
• Doesn't matter if someone is physically hurt or not.
• If someone makes you uncomfortable it's wrong. It may not be harassment - but it's wrong and it should be acknowledged.
• Assume the best in people. If it makes you uncomfortable tell the person. 9/10 they have no idea and will apologetically change their behavior - you're doing them a favor moving forward.
• Don't be vague in your accusation - be specific. "When you touched my back I felt awkward and I'd prefer that you not do that."
• Personally I wouldn't take someone telling me I looked "nice today" as harassment, unless they said it while licking their lips or grabbing their crotch.
• I wouldn't take someone saying "they'd introduce me to someone on a blind date" as harassment - that's just reaching.
• If you ever felt that bringing up your discomfort in a situation would result in retaliation of any sort that is harassment.
• If someone is a dope that does not make them a harasser.
• Men can harass men, women can harass women.
• Harassment is somewhat similar to porn in that (paraphrasing Jude Potter's words) "I can't define it, but I know it when I see it".
• If you've been harassed, there is very little doubt what is happening.
• There is no double standard on men or women being harassers or harassees' - it's one of the few issues that has no sexual preference.
• Often times odd comments made to you ("want a screw") make you aware of what and how you say things.
• Shouldn't matter if you are in mixed company or not - inappropriate comments are inappropriate.
• Number of people of one sex or another in a business organization does not make it more or less likely that you'll be harassed.

I can't get a read on whether some of you are joking around - so, I couldn't not type this out. It's serious and very real.

 

(apologies - spell check kept changing my harass conjugations - not sure that I caught them all)

Good post. But, my experience as a man, I would have to disagree with your last bullet point. That might be a different situation as a woman.

[Moiraine]

I recently had to tell a female co-worker to stop touching me at work. She's straight but very cuddly. We're friends but I think since she's from a country where they tend to think being gay isn't a thing (China), it doesn't occur to her what other people might think. I wouldn't care too much if she did it in public away from work, but if I saw a male and female co-worker behaving like she does to me I'd find it annoying they're doing it at the office and I'd assume they're dating.

 

That being said, this is a stupid ass place to discuss this. A new topic should have been made as soon as teach asked his question.

 

O'Reilly didn't just rub someone's back.

[ZRod]

A long while back we were having a discussion about rape, and how if someone is too drunk to be able to give consent, you are not having sex with them, you are raping them, per the law. Teach said something along the lines of, "Man, if that's considered rape then I might be in trouble with some women..." You'd be much more successful at tracking it down, knapp - I'm not good with stuff like that.

Pretty sure the onus is on you to find said post since you just made the accusation about teach...

 

Also, you might wanna do it pretty quick or redact you comment.

[NM11046]

I recently had to tell a female co-worker to stop touching me at work. She's straight but very cuddly. We're friends but I think since she's from a country where they tend to think being gay isn't a thing (China), it doesn't occur to her what other people might think. I wouldn't care too much if she did it in public away from work, but if I saw a male and female co-worker behaving like she does to me I'd find it annoying they're doing it at the office and I'd assume they're dating.

So Moraine - does it make you uncomfortable because it's inappropriate, or uncomfortable because others might think you are gay? (or maybe uncomfortable because there are rules about dating coworkers)?

 

For the record - I am pretty expressive and work with mostly analytical people and I've had to totally become aware of my gestures and touching them when talking. It's interesting and humbling to realize that a basic instinct for some (me touching an arm or giving a play punch when I tell a joke or something - to women or men) makes people uncomfortable. Theres' no doubt when I do it that I've overstepped. Kinda like when you're in line at the boarding gate an an airport in a foreign country and everybody stands waaaaaaaay too close to you - makes you realize how important personal space is to us in the US, and how little it means to others.

[BigRedBuster]

Gosh...I hope it was worth it for them to keep him on TV.

 

[teachercd]

I recently had to tell a female co-worker to stop touching me at work. She's straight but very cuddly. We're friends but I think since she's from a country where they tend to think being gay isn't a thing (China), it doesn't occur to her what other people might think. I wouldn't care too much if she did it in public away from work, but if I saw a male and female co-worker behaving like she does to me I'd find it annoying they're doing it at the office and I'd assume they're dating.

That being said, this is a stupid ass place to discuss this. A new topic should have been made as soon as teach asked his question.

O'Reilly didn't just rub someone's back.

The touchy-feely co-worker...that is sort of what I had.