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28 minutes ago, DefenderAO said:

In my mind Mo typifies the issue - talk vs action. Stop tweeting people will “feel your pain” then whiff in tackles or run into blockers. Shut your mouth and deliver. The rest is noise. 
 

Your captains and leaders need to lead. Mo has been really really bad this year. 

He's been really really bad but still leads the team in tackles by 17. :dunno

4 minutes ago, Huckleberry Muhammad said:

especially the first post about how good we did in that game defensively

To be fair this was started after the first game...

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10 minutes ago, hskrfan4life said:

He's been really really bad but still leads the team in tackles by 17. :dunno

He should be leading the conference in tackles.

 

He felt snubbed by not being named to an all conference team last season, so I was hopefully he'd rise to an elite level this season.

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25 minutes ago, TheSker said:

He should be leading the conference in tackles.

 

He felt snubbed by not being named to an all conference team last season, so I was hopefully he'd rise to an elite level this season.

 

Had 12 tackles against Wiscy.  Just like every single player on this defense he's had some issues but he's still our leading tackler regardless.  I still think our scheme alone has a lot to do with the ineffectiveness of our defense this year.

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, suh_fan93 said:

 

Had 12 tackles against Wiscy.  Just like every single player on this defense he's had some issues but he's still our leading tackler regardless.  I still think our scheme alone has a lot to do with the ineffectiveness of our defense this year.

 

 

 

I think scheme is definitely part of it, but missing tackles and footwork like the clip aren't scheme. Missing gaps could be depending on how complicated/difficult the scheme makes things, but that's more likely players as well. There are definitely plays where the opposing offense knows exactly what we're doing and how to beat it, but there's a lot of plays where our guys just don't get it done too.

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4 minutes ago, Husker in WI said:

I think scheme is definitely part of it, but missing tackles and footwork like the clip aren't scheme. Missing gaps could be depending on how complicated/difficult the scheme makes things, but that's more likely players as well. There are definitely plays where the opposing offense knows exactly what we're doing and how to beat it, but there's a lot of plays where our guys just don't get it done too.

 

Flat out wiffing on a guy is definitely on the player.  Chinander's scheme defensively is not and is something that I'm not terribly confident in. 

 

I just keep wondering about next season.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, suh_fan93 said:

 

Flat out wiffing on a guy is definitely on the player.  Chinander's scheme defensively is not and is something that I'm not terribly confident in. 

 

I just keep wondering about next season.

 

I saw more of the first problem than the second on Saturday. I'm not sold on Chinander and I have some scheme-specific complaints, but I don't think scheme is our biggest problem on D.

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51 minutes ago, hskrfan4life said:

He's been really really bad but still leads the team in tackles by 17. :dunno

To be fair this was started after the first game...

 

My mistake!  Oops, etc.. I honestly thought this was a post-Wisconsin game thread.. time for some coffee.. covfefe.. or.. perhaps a donut.

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13 minutes ago, suh_fan93 said:

 

Had 12 tackles against Wiscy.  Just like every single player on this defense he's had some issues but he's still our leading tackler regardless.  I still think our scheme alone has a lot to do with the ineffectiveness of our defense this year.

 

 

 

I've listened to what some former Blackshirts have had to say and I'd agree with their general takes that our issue right now is primarily personnel.

 

What I like about the 3-4 is more things can be disguised than with the 4-3.

 

And again, I realize Barry is the leading tackler on the team, but we need to start seeing some all conference performers on both sides of the ball.

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2 minutes ago, TheSker said:

I've listened to what some former Blackshirts have had to say and I'd agree with their general takes that our issue right now is primarily personnel.

 

What I like about the 3-4 is more things can be disguised than with the 4-3.

 

And again, I realize Barry is the leading tackler on the team, but we need to start seeing some all conference performers on both sides of the ball.

 

 

Well we're not disguising anything from what I can see with Chinander's 3-4 and yes both sides of the ball need 'more bullets' as Frost put it a few days ago.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, TheSker said:

And again, I realize Barry is the leading tackler on the team, but we need to start seeing some all conference performers on both sides of the ball.

Without a doubt.

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Just now, suh_fan93 said:

 

 

Well we're not disguising anything from what I can see with Chinander's 3-4 and yes both sides of the ball need 'more bullets' as Frost put it.

 

 

We're not disguising much of anything right now because we don't have the personnel.

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16 minutes ago, TheSker said:

We're not disguising much of anything right now because we don't have the personnel.

 

Well blitz's for example aren't that hard to 'disguise' and even when they aren't there still effective.  Being 10th in the league in sacks says a lot imo.  It's almost like Chinander's attitude is why even try.  That's bothered me more than anything this year. 

 

Giving that QB all kinds of time.

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5 minutes ago, suh_fan93 said:

 

Well blitz's for example aren't that hard to 'disguise' and even when they aren't there still effective.  Being 10th in the league in sacks says a lot imo.  It's almost like Chinander's attitude is why even try.  That's bothered me more than anything this year. 

 

Giving that QB all kinds of time.

We've blitzed more than Chinander sometimes gets credit for.

 

.....but the blitzing has been mostly ineffective.  One of our more glaring personnel issues.

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1 hour ago, suh_fan93 said:

 

 

Braxton Clark has seemed really good when he's been in. Teams tend to go after new corners and he seems to hold his own. I don't know how to evaluate these guys in any real way other than he doesn't seem to get burned and has made some good plays. Seems important with Lamar gone next year.

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1 hour ago, suh_fan93 said:

 

Flat out wiffing on a guy is definitely on the player.  Chinander's scheme defensively is not and is something that I'm not terribly confident in. 

 

I just keep wondering about next season.

 

I've probably made this comment several times so maybe it's getting old. But when I watched Northwestern play Wisconsin (and they play in a 4-3 but even still), what I noticed was a set of extremely well-coached linebackers where the game plan was for them to stay in kind of their own two yard radius and watch where the running plays developed to.

 

They stuffed Taylor play after play with this strategy. I'm not claiming I know what our LBs are/aren't being coached to do...maybe they're being coached to be aggressive downhill towards the ball carrier. If that's the case, that's fine.

 

But what we're doing isn't working well against the run. Like you said, when a player wiffs on a tackle that's on the player. Over the course of this season though what I feel like I see is a team that hasn't been coached well to play in this league.

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