commando Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 interesting that this info arose after trump strong armed ukraine to come up with info against biden. i am suspicious of it 1 Link to comment
Moiraine Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 13 minutes ago, Apsu said: It's available from many sources on the internets. Google can be your friend too. https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/press-conference/617936.html He was MP under Yanukovych as well and led a group in parliament that wanted closer ties with Russia. The argument of Europe vs Russia was the main cause of Yanukovych's ousting. This has been his schtick for a while now. He started an investigation in parliament into anti Trump election interference in 2017 based off what seems to have been an internet search. 1 1 Link to comment
Apsu Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, commando said: interesting that this info arose after trump strong armed ukraine to come up with info against biden. i am suspicious of it You should be suspicious of it. But there is enough people with credentials (Trump and Giuliani aside) making accusations, that I believe that an investigation is warranted. Link to comment
Moiraine Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 10 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said: and the proof behind this article? There's a video of the guy and I believe he said all this. But he is a pro-Russian Ukrainian who was also a member of parliament under their pro-Russian president. 1 1 Link to comment
commando Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Apsu said: You should be suspicious of it. But there is enough people with credentials (Trump and Giuliani aside) making accusations, that I believe that an investigation is warranted. you are entitled to buy trumps stories if you want to. Link to comment
Apsu Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Moiraine said: He was MP under Yanukovych as well and led a group in parliament that wanted closer ties with Russia. This has been his schtick for a while now. He started an investigation in parliament into anti Trump election interference in 2017 based off what seems to have been an internet search. The Ukrainian government has not been clean since, well, forever. I would not expect a member of the current pro-US parliament to talk openly about Biden at this time without risking their life. That is why I would like to see an investigation where people are questioned under oath and the actual books are examined. Link to comment
RedDenver Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 22 minutes ago, Apsu said: It's available from many sources on the internets. Google can be your friend too. https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/press-conference/617936.html Wait, you think linking en.interfax.com.ua helps your story? Link to comment
Apsu Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, commando said: you are entitled to buy trumps stories if you want to. As I said in the post you quoted... "Trump and Giuliani aside". Link to comment
commando Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, Apsu said: The Ukrainian government has not been clean since, well, forever. I would not expect a member of the current pro-US parliament to talk openly about Biden at this time without risking their life. That is why I would like to see an investigation where people are questioned under oath and the actual books are examined. who will run the investigation? the trump administration? they are politically motivated and in trumps america your political enemies can't investigate you. trump and the republicans have proclaimed it so it msut be law. good luck getting your wish to have biden investigated under these rules. Link to comment
Apsu Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, RedDenver said: Wait, you think linking en.interfax.com.ua helps your story? Yes. What Ukrainian source would you go to? Link to comment
Apsu Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, commando said: who will run the investigation? the trump administration? they are politically motivated and in trumps america your political enemies can't investigate you. trump and the republicans have proclaimed it so it msut be law. good luck getting your wish to have biden investigated under these rules. How about Mueller. You should like that, he's good at finding nothing. Link to comment
commando Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Apsu said: How about Mueller. You should like that, he's good at finding nothing. lol....your republican leanings are showing. better cover up your nothingberder. 1 Link to comment
Danny Bateman Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 52 minutes ago, Apsu said: Many progressives see Trump as a symptom to the problem, and the real problem is the DNC. The Democrats should be the party of the people, but they are not. Their establishment talks the talk, but they have become even more pro-war than and as corrupt as the Republicans. Impeaching Trump and Pence will do nothing to solve the problem, it will just recreate the situation that created Trump. Most of the 2020 Dem candidates are now stepping back from Single Payer M4A. With the Democrats in power, there will some minor incremental improvements in some areas, but overall things will get worse. Look at Obama's foreign policy record. Our allies loved the guy and for some reason he was given a Nobel Peace Prize, but he escalated Afghanistan, started drone killings in Pakistan, reshuffled the troops in Iraq (he ended nothing), started wars in Libya, Syria, Yemen and Ukraine, and allowed a right wing School of the Americas coup in Honduras which has heightened the refugee crisis at our border. So yes, I am more critical of Democrats, because I expect more from the party that should represent the left. There is not much to gain by criticizing Trump, because no sane person should have positive expectations of the Republicans. If the DNC did not cheat in 2016, we would not have a President Trump. And it appears that the DNC is hell bent on cheating again in 2020. If this is bad faith discussion to you, then you can "Vote Blue No Matter Who" and hope for change you can believe in. But you will probably be disappointed again despite no more Trump. And after a few more years of incremental circling around the toilet, you will get another Bush, Trump, or even worse. And now you can believe Nancy Pelosi, John Brennan, Hillary Clinton, Mitch McConnell, Lindsey Graham, John Bolton and even Pat Robertson, that despite being wrong about everything in the past, bipartisan support for continuing our war in Syria is a good thing. Lastly; the latest "Republican talking point" has Joe Biden receiving $900,000 in lobbying fees from Burisma. Ahhh yes. So you dislike Trump & Republicans... But somehow 95% of what you perceive as problems and complain about relates to Democrats. Thank you for proving my point. 3 Link to comment
funhusker Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 1 hour ago, BigRedBuster said: Sounds like an easy investigation. I'd be happy to do it too. Come back tomorrow and just say, "After a thorough investigation of zero evidence, we've determined there was nothing done wrong..." 1 Link to comment
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