Jarhead In Red Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 17 minutes ago, Danimal said: Ya, was thinking along the lines of how we used to use Eric Hagg. Ya, Hagg seemed like a perfect fit for the Peso position. Bo's Peso package, along with his match up zone coverages by the DBs, were pretty effective vs Spread Offenses. It didn't translate so well to the BIG10 though....... Quote Link to comment
Igetbored216 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, Jarhead In Red said: Ya, Hagg seemed like a perfect fit for the Peso position. Bo's Peso package, along with his match up zone coverages by the DBs, were pretty effective vs Spread Offenses. It didn't translate so well to the BIG10 though....... No, because the main goal is to stop the passing game. I will say, if we had the players we had in 2009, it wouldn't really matter what defense was being run, they would have been good. Bo got messed up moving to the Big Ten. He used this defense specifically to stop spread teams like Missouri. For some reason, he never adjusted. Quote Link to comment
Husker in WI Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Igetbored216 said: No, because the main goal is to stop the passing game. I will say, if we had the players we had in 2009, it wouldn't really matter what defense was being run, they would have been good. Bo got messed up moving to the Big Ten. He used this defense specifically to stop spread teams like Missouri. For some reason, he never adjusted. My read on it was he insisted his defense was sound, and that if players did their jobs he wouldn't need to change. Problem is their jobs in his defense were really difficult against teams like Wisconsin. I know there were rumors players weren't doing their assignments in the infamous B1G championship game, but even if they were asking Sean Fisher to chase down Melvin Gordon on a fly sweep is a big ask. Drawing up a "sound" defense isn't difficult, drawing up a sound defense that the players can execute is. I think Pelini's was sound across the board, and was almost revolutionary in how well it put players in places to succeed against the spread. Against other offenses, it asked a lot more of the players and we didn't have LSU-level talent other than Suh. Quote Link to comment
NUinID Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 2 hours ago, Husker in WI said: My read on it was he insisted his defense was sound, and that if players did their jobs he wouldn't need to change. Problem is their jobs in his defense were really difficult against teams like Wisconsin. I know there were rumors players weren't doing their assignments in the infamous B1G championship game, but even if they were asking Sean Fisher to chase down Melvin Gordon on a fly sweep is a big ask. Drawing up a "sound" defense isn't difficult, drawing up a sound defense that the players can execute is. I think Pelini's was sound across the board, and was almost revolutionary in how well it put players in places to succeed against the spread. Against other offenses, it asked a lot more of the players and we didn't have LSU-level talent other than Suh. This is exactly the way it was with BP. His run fits were to precise, he didn't want to over commit to stopping the run, because it would make him less sound against the pass. He wouldn't drop a safety down a little closer to the LOS to help in run support. So Wisconsin would just run for 400 yards against his defense. Seriously though, If you go back and watch some of those BP coached teams against Wisconsin they would often hold up fairly well against the run for 2-3 series and they would get out of a run fit and someone would rip off a 65 yard TD run and the flood gates would be opened. 1 Quote Link to comment
UniversalMartin Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 On 11/4/2019 at 3:45 PM, LumberJackSker said: The entire front 7 is garbage. This all day long 1 Quote Link to comment
Igetbored216 Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 16 hours ago, Husker in WI said: My read on it was he insisted his defense was sound, and that if players did their jobs he wouldn't need to change. Problem is their jobs in his defense were really difficult against teams like Wisconsin. I know there were rumors players weren't doing their assignments in the infamous B1G championship game, but even if they were asking Sean Fisher to chase down Melvin Gordon on a fly sweep is a big ask. Drawing up a "sound" defense isn't difficult, drawing up a sound defense that the players can execute is. I think Pelini's was sound across the board, and was almost revolutionary in how well it put players in places to succeed against the spread. Against other offenses, it asked a lot more of the players and we didn't have LSU-level talent other than Suh. Agreed. Man, that 2009 defense was elite. Offense was on the other end of the spectrum that year. What could have been... Quote Link to comment
Igetbored216 Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 3 hours ago, UniversalMartin said: This all day long I don't know. The line is decent. I think they would look pretty good if the linebackers would do their damn job. Oh, and if we had an OLB or two that could get after the QB in one vs one situations. 1 Quote Link to comment
r06ue1 Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 On 11/4/2019 at 6:45 PM, LumberJackSker said: The entire front 7 is garbage. DL can't move the offensive line and put pressure on the QB, LB's that appear to be clueless as to where they need to be. The entire front seven is like you said, garbage. Quote Link to comment
Huckleberry Muhammad Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 Post after post mentioning the linebackers, and then of course the Big Truth of the whole front 7 being garbage. We do of course see our safety get outrun on a routine basis. And we see our crap a$$ stats on third downs, etc. And our poor sets on every other play. Our defensive slowness, weakness, silliness, and lack of leadership. The thread is about the poorest defensive unit, though. Is the DC a unit? Quote Link to comment
r06ue1 Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 Most of the players starting today are members who played on the 2017 defense which was likely the worst Nebraska defense of all time (Was 2017 the worst Nebraska defense ever?). Front seven: DE 96 Davis, Carlos RS SR Mike Riley recruit NT 79 Daniels, Darrion SR/TR Transferred to play with little Bro who was a Mike Riley recuit DE 94 Davis, Khalil RS SR Mike Riley recruit OLB 22 Davis, Alex RS SR Mike Riley recruit ILB 31 Miller, Collin RS JR Mike Riley recruit ILB 7 Barry, Mohamed RS SR Mike Riley recruit OLB 2 Tannor, Caleb SO Scott Frost recruit* Backfield: NB 13 Domann, JoJo RS JR Mike Riley recruit CB 21 Jackson, Lamar SR Mike Riley recruit SS 19 Dismuke, Marquel RS JR Mike Riley recruit FS 5 Taylor-Britt, Cam SO Scott Frost recruit* CB 23 Bootle, Dicaprio RS JR Mike Riley recruit *last minute recruitment due to coaching change. 2017 "memorable" losses: at Oregon L 35–42 Northern Illinois L 17–21 No. 9 Wisconsin L 17–38 No. 9 Ohio State L 14–56 Northwestern L 24–31 OT at Minnesota L 21–54 at No. 13 Penn State L 44–56 Iowa L 14–56 I wonder if Frost is starting the Riley players simply because they get their dues for staying in the program (seniority) or the well is really this dry and this is all we can field. I am waiting for the day that it is all Frost players on the field, mostly the 2019 and up class, though there were some nice 2018 pickups, it was a last minute class. Only then will we see what kind of product Frost and co. can field. I don't expect any serious changes next season either, likely might see some improvement as more Frost players get on the field but don't expect us to compete for any Western division crown. 1 Quote Link to comment
SFW Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, r06ue1 said: Most of the players starting today are members who played on the 2017 defense which likely the worst Nebraska defense of all time (Was 2017 the worst Nebraska defense ever?). Front seven: DE 96 Davis, Carlos RS SR Mike Riley recruit NT 79 Daniels, Darrion SR/TR Transferred to play with little Bro who was a Mike Riley recuit DE 94 Davis, Khalil RS SR Mike Riley recruit OLB 22 Davis, Alex RS SR Mike Riley recruit ILB 31 Miller, Collin RS JR Mike Riley recruit ILB 7 Barry, Mohamed RS SR Mike Riley recruit OLB 2 Tannor, Caleb SO Scott Frost recruit* Backfield: NB 13 Domann, JoJo RS JR Mike Riley recruit CB 21 Jackson, Lamar SR Mike Riley recruit SS 19 Dismuke, Marquel RS JR Mike Riley recruit FS 5 Taylor-Britt, Cam SO Scott Frost recruit* CB 23 Bootle, Dicaprio RS JR Mike Riley recruit *last minute recruitment due to coaching change. 2017 "memorable" losses: at Oregon L 35–42 Northern Illinois L 17–21 No. 9 Wisconsin L 17–38 No. 9 Ohio State L 14–56 Northwestern L 24–31 OT at Minnesota L 21–54 at No. 13 Penn State L 44–56 Iowa L 14–56 I wonder if Frost is starting the Riley players simply because they get their dues for staying in the program (seniority) or the well is really this dry and this is all we can field. I am waiting for the day that it is all Frost players on the field, mostly the 2019 and up class, though there are some nice 2018 pickups, it was a last minute class. Only then will we see what kind of product Frost and co. can field. I don't expect any serious changes next season either, likely might see some improvement as more Frost players get on the field but don't expect us to compete for any Western division crown. Interesting Or, is Defensive recruiting under Frost a failure so far? Ah......2017 the year of the 3-4 experiment? How’s that working out? 1 Quote Link to comment
TheSker Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 15 minutes ago, SFW said: Or, is Defensive recruiting under Frost a failure so far? In some ways honestly yes. So far..... There are key redshirts on defense though, including Robinson, Pola-Gates, Newsome, Heinrich and Hannah. So how 'bouts we just breathe and let them develop before we start throwing the word failure around..... Quote Link to comment
SFW Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 52 minutes ago, TheSker said: In some ways honestly yes. So far..... There are key redshirts on defense though, including Robinson, Pola-Gates, Newsome, Heinrich and Hannah. So how 'bouts we just breathe and let them develop before we start throwing the word failure around..... Glad we can agree. I like the potential of those guys but that all it is. Frosts defensive recruiting will always be a failure unless he is bringing in 5 star nose tackles consistently to run the 3-4. Quote Link to comment
TheSker Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, SFW said: Glad we can agree. I like the potential of those guys but that all it is. Frosts defensive recruiting will always be a failure unless he is bringing in 5 star nose tackles consistently to run the 3-4. Of course it's just potential, they are redshirt freshmen. Many would say the linebackers are key to the 3-4. How about we let Frost do his thing and see how it goes? Now feel free to get back to your job as internet critic. 1 Quote Link to comment
UniversalMartin Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 8 hours ago, Igetbored216 said: I don't know. The line is decent. I think they would look pretty good if the linebackers would do their damn job. Oh, and if we had an OLB or two that could get after the QB in one vs one situations. Honestly their complete lack of ability to rush the QB, overshadows any positives they may show against the run. If I had to grade the 2 aspects: Ability to hold ground against run= C+ Ability to beat man 1:1 to create pressure= D- Quote Link to comment
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