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The P&R Plague Thread (Covid-19)

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51 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

However, I cringe when people are all pissed off because we don't have enough ventilators or PPE and start pointing fingers.  This pandemic literally came on very very fast.  Yes, Trump should have taken it more seriously between December and February.  That is 100% all on him and he should be nailed for it.

 

BUT....we had a stock pile of ventilators and PPE.  Problem was, it wasn't enough for this specific pandemic.  They are ramping up production of everything.  Look at what companies like Ford are doing to produce ventilators.  

 

The media is right to report on the shortages.  What bothers me is the pointing of fingers claiming someone personally is responsible for people dying because we didn't have 100,000 more ventilators in the US.

 

I think before you get too far up on the stump to defend Trump's response to these shortages you should look further into what he has done directly to address them, what he could have done, and who that inaction is most affecting. 

 

Instead of all the BS he spewed in the first several weeks of the pandemic, he could have stood at his podium and encouraged manufacturers to switch production to PPE and respirators. We lost weeks because of his inaction, or outright lies, and now we are the epicenter of this crisis.

 

Specifically, New York is. And that's politically expedient for Trump. And that makes any defense of him pretty questionable.

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Abstract from the paper (emphasis mine):

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What are the economic consequences of an influenza pandemic? And given the pandemic, what are the economic costs and benefits of non-pharmaceutical interventions (NPI)? Using geographic variation in mortality during the 1918 Flu Pandemic in the U.S., we find that more exposed areas experience a sharp and persistent decline in economic activity. The estimates imply that the pandemic reduced manufacturing output by 18%. The downturn is driven by both supply and demand-side channels. Further, building on findings from the epidemiology literature establishing that NPIs decrease influenza mortality, we use variation in the timing and intensity of NPIs across U.S. cities to study their economic effects. We find that cities that intervened earlier and more aggressively do not perform worse and, if anything, grow faster after the pandemic is over. Our findings thus indicate that NPIs not only lower mortality; they also mitigate the adverse economic consequences of a pandemic.

 

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8 minutes ago, knapplc said:

I think before you get too far up on the stump to defend Trump's response to these shortages you should look further into what he has done directly to address them, what he could have done, and who that inaction is most affecting. 

If someone thinks I'm defending Trump.  I'm not.

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2 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

If someone thinks I'm defending Trump.  I'm not.

 

That last line made me think so. If not Trump to whom are you referring when you say, "What bothers me is the pointing of fingers claiming someone personally is responsible for people dying because we didn't have 100,000 more ventilators in the US." ?

 

Because of Trump's inaction, we have tens of thousands fewer ventilators than we need.

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1 hour ago, Redux said:

 

Oh eat me, the guys a loose canon and spews verbal diarrhea and a lot of you take the bait.  If he wasn't blathering optimism you would be chastising him for not being optimistic. 

 

Kellyanne Conway, Sarah Huckabee-Sanders, Stephanie Grisham, et al get paid to spin BS, lie, and rationalize Trump's despicable actions. Why do some feel compelled to do it for free!?!

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5 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

That last line made me think so. If not Trump to whom are you referring when you say, "What bothers me is the pointing of fingers claiming someone personally is responsible for people dying because we didn't have 100,000 more ventilators in the US." ?

 

Because of Trump's inaction, we have tens of thousands fewer ventilators than we need.

Nobody before Trump ever thought we needed 100,000 ventilators in the US stockpile either.  Factories are being ramped up to build them.  

 

My biggest question is, if we have factories ramping up fast to build them, what difference would it make if the DPA was used?

 

Trump's words and actions at the beginning of this crisis are inexcusable.  His words and actions acting like it's all coming to an end and we can open up the country are inexcusable.  His act of playing doctor on TV against the experts is inexcusable.

 

BUT...we have lots fo companies ramping up to make equipment.  Not sure the DPA would make a difference.

 

I just received a link that was created by the government for me to go on and list things I could make for the effort.  None of them match any type of equipment I have now.  It would take me a year to get ramped up to make a lot of this stuff.  Would the DPA being forced on me make that any faster?  I don't think so.

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1 minute ago, BigRedBuster said:

Nobody before Trump ever thought we needed 100,000 ventilators in the US stockpile either.  Factories are being ramped up to build them.  

 

My biggest question is, if we have factories ramping up fast to build them, what difference would it make if the DPA was used?

 

Trump's words and actions at the beginning of this crisis are inexcusable.  His words and actions acting like it's all coming to an end and we can open up the country are inexcusable.  His act of playing doctor on TV against the experts is inexcusable.

 

BUT...we have lots fo companies ramping up to make equipment.  Not sure the DPA would make a difference.

 

We lost weeks because of his buffoonery. Factories are ramping up NOW, this week, but they should have done so weeks ago.

 

What is the confusion here.

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5 minutes ago, QMany said:

 

Kellyanne Conway, Sarah Huckabee-Sanders, Stephanie Grisham, et al get paid to spin BS, lie, and rationalize Trump's despicable actions. Why do some feel compelled to do it for free!?!

 

It's amazing that some people think it's better to criticize Trump detractors than to criticize Trump himself.

 

Those people aren't worth responding to. The ignore function works wonders for that.

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1 minute ago, knapplc said:

 

We lost weeks because of his buffoonery. Factories are ramping up NOW, this week, but they should have done so weeks ago.

 

What is the confusion here.

 

I'm not sure, you tell me.

 

4 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

Trump's words and actions at the beginning of this crisis are inexcusable.  His words and actions acting like it's all coming to an end and we can open up the country are inexcusable.  His act of playing doctor on TV against the experts is inexcusable.

 

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2 minutes ago, Nebfanatic said:

@BigRedBuster this article does a good job describing the benefit of using DPA. Federalize the supply chain so states don't have to fight with each other. Thanks for posting Devo 

Now...the bolded part IS a major problem that is inexcusable.

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1 minute ago, BigRedBuster said:

 

I'm not sure, you tell me.

 

 

 

You're talking in circles. I have no idea what point you're making.

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11 minutes ago, Nebfanatic said:
48 minutes ago, DevoHusker said:

@BigRedBuster this article does a good job describing the benefit of using DPA. Federalize the supply chain so states don't have to fight with each other. Thanks for posting Devo 

 

 

This means rural American's don't get ventilators etc because the hospitals in rural America can't compete with the large hospital conglomerates that are in cities.

 

Essentially, him not enforcing and using the DPA is killing Americans.

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BRB, I think I get what you're trying to say. This is truly an unprecedented situation and we were not prepared. That is a failing we will all pay for and we will all have to work as a country to prevent it from happening again. We're all on this ride together.

 

But I'll be damned if I'm going to watch some half-hearted defense of Trump on this out of some sense of "OMG you guys just want to bring down Trump!!!1!" (Not directed at you.)

 

Absolutely we do. This clown tried to bury this thing as long as possible, pin it as a hoax on his opponents and avoid treating the problem as real until time ran out and it was clear he couldn't ignore it anymore. He has continued dragging his feet on doing things to help us in this crucial time (the DPA?), continued BOLD-FACED LIES to the entire nation on a daily basis and continues bickering and attacking governors who dare speak truth to power and are actually leading their people.

 

The man is pathetic. The man is juvenile. The man is an amoral trainwreck. And it's toxic for us as a nation. He is not fit to lead and never has been.

 

He has failed us all. It is with patriotism and care for the weak and vulnerable that he has abandoned or outright attacked in my heart that I say do not give this man an inch. We've got to come together as a people to topple this would-be king or the next crisis will be worse because the same man with the same irredeemable flaws will still be leading the charge.

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