Biden's 1st 100 days & his 1st Year legislative agenda

[RedDenver]

Just now, Archy1221 said:

This election is bringing out all the crazies and their ideas.  

Yeah, those crazy ideas that the rest of the developed world already does. CRAZY!!!

[Archy1221]

4 minutes ago, RedDenver said:

Yeah, those crazy ideas that the rest of the developed world already does. CRAZY!!!

Sure let’s be like Canada and Europe, who wouldn’t want to wait months/years or be denied for QOL procedures.  
 

why do rich people from those countries continue to come here for certain procedures?  

[RedDenver]

Just now, Archy1221 said:

Sure let’s be like Canada and Europe, who wouldn’t want to wait months/years or be denied for QOL procedures.  
 

why do rich people from those countries continue to come here for certain procedures?  

This has been debunked over and over.

https://www.aarp.org/politics-society/government-elections/info-03-2012/myths-canada-health-care.html

[Archy1221]

7 minutes ago, RedDenver said:

This has been debunked over and over.

https://www.aarp.org/politics-society/government-elections/info-03-2012/myths-canada-health-care.html

Has it though?

 

 

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2016-08-03/canadians-increasingly-come-to-us-for-health-care
 

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/canadian-medical-tourism_n_5949b405e4b0db570d3778ff
 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sallypipes/2018/06/11/canadians-are-one-in-a-million-while-waiting-for-medical-treatment/?sh=65a138263e7d

[Moiraine]

How do so many normal people get duped by healthcare mega corporations' talking points? (And then turn around and blather about "big gov'm't")

[commando]

what do these guys know about healthcare?

 

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/why-is-rand-paul-going-to-canada-for-surgery

 

The story highlights an ongoing, and rising, trend of Americans leaving the country in search of medical care.

U.S. government data suggests that 150,000 to 320,000 Americans travel abroad each year for medical care, what’s known as medical tourism. Other estimates put it at 1.4 million each year.

Americans cite cost savings as the main reason for seeking care in other countries. For people without health insurance — those who would be paying out-of-pocket in the United States — this can be a powerful incentive.

[Archy1221]

1 minute ago, Moiraine said:

How do so many normal people get duped by healthcare mega corporations' talking points? (And then turn around and blather about "big gov'm't")

What talking points, and what healthcare mega corporations?  
 

we all go to doctors for various reasons.  A nice challenge for everyone would be to ask every doctor they see, if they would prefer to practice medicine in a M4A/Canada/European medical model or the system we currently have and keep adjusting it for the better if adjustments are needed.  
 

I see 60 plus in a given month and I think 2 or 3 have said they would prefer that model and those are salaried/employed by a hospital system

[knapplc]

9 minutes ago, Moiraine said:

How do so many normal people get duped by healthcare mega corporations' talking points? (And then turn around and blather about "big gov'm't")

 

Because advertising works, and people lack critical thinking skills. 

[Archy1221]

7 minutes ago, commando said:

what do these guys know about healthcare?

 

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/why-is-rand-paul-going-to-canada-for-surgery

 

The story highlights an ongoing, and rising, trend of Americans leaving the country in search of medical care.

U.S. government data suggests that 150,000 to 320,000 Americans travel abroad each year for medical care, what’s known as medical tourism. Other estimates put it at 1.4 million each year.

Americans cite cost savings as the main reason for seeking care in other countries. For people without health insurance — those who would be paying out-of-pocket in the United States — this can be a powerful incentive.

From your article:

 

Paul added in the interview that he chose Shouldice because it offers the surgery that he needed at the right price. The hospital specializes in hernia repair using natural tissue rather than artificial mesh.

The Louisville Courier Journal reports that the procedure in Canada will cost an estimated $5,000 to $8,000.

According to Healthcare Bluebook, a hernia repair in the United States costs between $3,421 and $12,365, or up to $19,179 for a laparoscopic repair.

 

those costs are comparable.  Lower and high ends in the US. 
 

Also from your article:

 

Why Paul is going to Canada

The story, though, turned out to be much less sensational than the initial hype — Paul will be visiting a private hospital and paying out-of-pocket.

Shouldice Hernia Hospital in Thornhill, Ontario, isn’t entirely private. It also treats Ontario residents who are covered under the Ontario Health Insurance Plan.

Paul struck back at critics saying that his was a free market decision.

“I’m actually choosing capitalistic medicine because they only take cash from foreigners,” he told the Louisville Courier Journal.

 

[Archy1221]

11 minutes ago, commando said:

what do these guys know about healthcare?

 

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/why-is-rand-paul-going-to-canada-for-surgery

 

The story highlights an ongoing, and rising, trend of Americans leaving the country in search of medical care.

U.S. government data suggests that 150,000 to 320,000 Americans travel abroad each year for medical care, what’s known as medical tourism. Other estimates put it at 1.4 million each year.

Americans cite cost savings as the main reason for seeking care in other countries. For people without health insurance — those who would be paying out-of-pocket in the United States — this can be a powerful incentive.

Also from your article

 

Canada, though, isn’t much of a medical tourism hotspot for Americans… or even for people from other countries.

“We don’t have nearly as much incoming medical tourism as we do departing medical tourism,” said Amy Zarzeczny, an associate professor in the Johnson Shoyama Graduate School of Public Policy at the University of Regina in Saskatchewan.

“Although robust data is difficult to obtain, the sense is that more Canadians leave Canada to receive care elsewhere than we have individuals coming here from outside the country for medical care.”

[RedDenver]

18 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

Has it though?

 

 

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2016-08-03/canadians-increasingly-come-to-us-for-health-care
 

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/canadian-medical-tourism_n_5949b405e4b0db570d3778ff
 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sallypipes/2018/06/11/canadians-are-one-in-a-million-while-waiting-for-medical-treatment/?sh=65a138263e7d

Yes.

 

Over

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/podcast/2018/oct/truth-about-waiting-see-doctor-canada

 

And over

https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/healthcare/reports/2019/10/18/475908/truth-wait-times-universal-coverage-systems/

 

And over

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2017/jul/mirror-mirror-2017-international-comparison-reflects-flaws-and

 

And over

https://pnhp.org/news/critique-of-the-fraser-institute-report-on-wait-times/

 

And... you get the idea

[commando]

Just now, Archy1221 said:

Also from your article

 

Canada, though, isn’t much of a medical tourism hotspot for Americans… or even for people from other countries.

“We don’t have nearly as much incoming medical tourism as we do departing medical tourism,” said Amy Zarzeczny, an associate professor in the Johnson Shoyama Graduate School of Public Policy at the University of Regina in Saskatchewan.

“Although robust data is difficult to obtain, the sense is that more Canadians leave Canada to receive care elsewhere than we have individuals coming here from outside the country for medical care.”

yep...but the "greatest healthcare system" in the world still drives hundreds of thousands of americans to other countries for their medical care each year.  why is that?  even senators with their government  healthcare plan still choose to go to other countries.   .

[RedDenver]

Wendell Potter is a former healthcare corporate executive who is now a whistle-blower on their misinformation campaign. He describes how the industry lies to Americans in this article:

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/08/06/health-insurance-canada-lie/

[DevoHusker]

5 minutes ago, RedDenver said:

Yes.

 

Over

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/podcast/2018/oct/truth-about-waiting-see-doctor-canada

 

And over

https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/healthcare/reports/2019/10/18/475908/truth-wait-times-universal-coverage-systems/

 

And over

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2017/jul/mirror-mirror-2017-international-comparison-reflects-flaws-and

 

And over

https://pnhp.org/news/critique-of-the-fraser-institute-report-on-wait-times/

 

And... you get the idea

 

Only anecdotal, but my personal experience involves talking with Canadian snow birds at golf courses in the Phoenix valley.

Virtually every one of them describes how they wait until they winter in AZ to get any surgical procedure done. 

[RedDenver]

1 minute ago, DevoHusker said:

 

Only anecdotal, but my personal experience involves talking with Canadian snow birds at golf courses in the Phoenix valley.

Virtually every one of them describes how they wait until they winter in AZ to get any surgical procedure done. 

Also anecdotal, but I know dozens of Canadians and they all are amazed at the stupidity of the US healthcare system and the ones who live here go back to Canada for treatment.