What is the future of the Republican Party?

[Archy1221]

On 1/23/2021 at 1:23 PM, knapplc said:

It's not just Madison "stolen valor" Cawthorn, either.

 

U.S. Sen. Tom Cotton has exaggerated his military record

In his first run for Congress, Cotton leaned heavily on his military service, claiming to have been “a U.S. Army Ranger in Iraq and Afghanistan,” and, in a campaign ad, to have “volunteered to be an Army Ranger.” In reality, Cotton was never part of the 75th Ranger Regiment, the elite unit that plans and conducts joint special military operations as part of the U.S. Army Special Operations Command.

 

Rather, Cotton attended the Ranger School, a two-month-long, small-unit tactical infantry course that literally anyone in the military is eligible attend. Soldiers who complete the course earn the right to wear the Ranger tab — a small arch that reads “Ranger” — but in the eyes of the military, that does not make them an actual Army Ranger.

Newsweek and Salon both changing the way they report this just to dunk on Cotton even though their previous stories said same thing as Cotton. 
 

what’s worse is people actually ran with the story 

[knapplc]

2 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

Newsweek and Salon both changing the way they report this just to dunk on Cotton even though their previous stories said same thing as Cotton. 
 

what’s worse is people actually ran with the story 

 

 

Is this how Republicans are trying to make themselves feel better that Cotton misrepresented himself as a Ranger?

 

Awesome.

 

 

[Archy1221]

2 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

 

Is this how Republicans are trying to make themselves feel better that Cotton misrepresented himself as a Ranger?

 

Awesome.

 

 

No but it makes me feel better knowing that once again the false narrative being pushed was proven wrong 

[knapplc]

Just now, Archy1221 said:

No but it makes me feel better knowing that once again the false narrative being pushed was proven wrong 

 

Sure. Now tell US Army Veteran and Ranger Jason Crow that he's pushing a false narrative.

 

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Democratic Rep. Jason Crow of Colorado, a U.S. Army veteran, took note of the debate and remarked on Twitter, "Hey @SenTomCotton, unless you wore one of these berets you shouldn't be calling yourself a Ranger. Truth matters."

 

Crow, who served in the 75th Ranger Regiment, also uploaded a picture of himself wearing the Army's tan beret.

 

 

[Archy1221]

3 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

Sure. Now tell US Army Veteran and Ranger Jason Crow that he's pushing a false narrative.

 

 

No thanks.  I will leave it up to a former Commander of US SOCOM

 

 

[knapplc]

Just think - none of this would be happening if Tom Cotton hadn't attempted to borrow valor from the Rangers.

 

Sad!

[Archy1221]

28 minutes ago, knapplc said:

Just think - none of this would be happening if Tom Cotton hadn't attempted to borrow valor from the Rangers.

 

Sad!

Maybe you were mistaking Cotton for Blumenthal??  

chalk it up as an honest mistake. 

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/richard-blumenthal-vietnam/

“We have learned something important since the days that I served in Vietnam,” Mr. Blumenthal said to the group gathered in Norwalk in March 2008.

 

There was one problem: Mr. Blumenthal, a Democrat now running for the United States Senate, never served in Vietnam. He obtained at least five military deferments from 1965 to 1970 and took repeated steps that enabled him to avoid going to war, according to records.
 

In May 2003, the Bridgeport News reported on a rally in support of American troops in Iraq which had been organized by a local veterans council. During his speech at that rally, Blumenthal contrasted the support shown for troops in 2003 with that shown to American military personnel returning from Vietnam. “When we returned, we saw nothing like this,” Blumenthal said, suggesting that he had personally been among those troops who served in the country of Vietnam, which he was not:

[TGHusker]

Excellent Vox article showing that trumpism is very deep within the GOP.  It isn't going away wt Trump and the road back to becoming a respectable party again is a long one.  The craziness is down to the state legislature level.  See also my post in the Cult of Trump thread where a Florida state GOP rep wants to rename a major Florida highway after Trump.   Trump's post election actions and his January 6th rhetoric and the resulting insurrection has only solidified the craziness within the GOP and esp at the state level as this article notes.  There are a handful of national GOP leaders, like Gov Hogan of Maryland, speaking out, but their voices are far to few.  

I don't see how this ends well for the party and for the country.  We need 2 (really 3) strong parties.   

 

We also see that Trump might push for a 3rd party if the GOP disowns him.  Per this article, it may make the GOP the 3rd out of 3 parties.  As the new wacko rep from Ga notes, people are loyal to Trump not to the party. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-republican-split/2021/01/23/d7dc253e-5cbc-11eb-8bcf-3877871c819d_story.html

 

Vox article:

 

https://www.vox.com/2021/1/26/22250374/republican-party-gop-oregon-hawaii-arizona

 

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Donald Trump’s departure from the White House left a giant question mark hanging over American democracy: Would the GOP reckon with its embrace of Trumpism or would it continue down the extremist path it has been traveling for years?

The evidence from the past few weeks has not been promising. But one of the most disturbing signs — and one of the most underappreciated — has been the wild behavior of certain state-level Republican parties in recent days. Three examples — in Oregon, Hawaii, and Arizona — really stick out

On January 19, the Oregon Republican Party passed a resolution condemning the 10 House Republicans who voted to impeach Trump.

In that resolution, the state party ludicrously claimed that “there is growing evidence that the violence at the Capitol was a ‘false flag’ operation designed to discredit President Trump,” warning of “a frightening parallel to the February 1933 burning of the German Reichstag” and “Leftist forces seeking to establish a dictatorship void of all cherished freedom and liberties.”

This Saturday, the official account of the Hawaii Republican Party sent tweets defending Qanon believers and praising the “generally high quality” work of a YouTuber named Tarl Warwick, who has denied the Holocaust.

The party deleted and condemned the tweets; the communications official who sent them resigned. But this is not the first dance with extremism from the Hawaii state party: In 2020, the founder of the Proud Boys Hawaii, Nick Ochs, ran for a statehouse seat under the party’s banner. Ochs later participated in the storming of the Capitol and was arrested at Honolulu’s airport on January 9.

Also on Saturday, the Arizona Republican Party passed official resolutions censuring three prominent party members — Gov. Doug Ducey, former Senator Jeff Flake, and Sen. John McCain’s widow Cindy McCain — for alleged deviation from GOP ideology.

The state GOP accuses Ducey — who is, again, the sitting Republican governor — of seizing “dictatorial powers” by imposing coronavirus lockdowns. They claim Flake, who endorsed Biden over Trump, has “condemned the Republican Party, rejected populism, and rejected the interests of the American people over globalist interests” — and encouraged him to switch parties. They charge McCain, who also endorsed Biden, with having “condemned President Trump for his criticism of her husband.”

Oregon and Hawaii are blue states; Arizona is a longtime Republican stronghold that has recently turned purple, voting for Biden in 2020 and sending two moderate Democrats to the current Senate. These state GOP parties should want to move to the center to win over the median local voters, people who are turned off by the hardcore Trumpism and extremism on offer from the national party.

But that is not what we are seeing. And these recent examples illustrate something important about the Republican Party’s years-long turn toward right-wing extremism: It runs deep, its reach goes well beyond Washington, and it’s going to take a lot more than Trump’s exit to quash it.

The state parties show how our national politics is broken

In the past, some observers have dismissed extreme statements from a few state-level GOP officials as irrelevant to the bigger picture of American politics. But these recent incidents aren’t isolated; in Oregon and Arizona, it was the official Republican Party that issued the strikingly extreme statements.

Moreover, new political science research suggests that what’s happening to these state parties is very much representative of broader national trends.

In a paper released on Monday, three scholars — Daniel J. Hopkins, Eric Schickler, and David Azizi — examined 1,783 Republican and Democratic state party platforms issued between 1918 and 2017. The goal is to identify the relationship between national and state-level polarization: to figure out whether state parties are getting more extreme and why.

What they found was fascinating. Starting around the 1990s, state-level parties rapidly nationalized: platforms started to deemphasize regional and local issues, like agriculture, and play up national ones like abortion. In each state, both Republican and Democratic Party platforms became less distinctive and more like each other.

“Parties that were once collections of local retailers are now clearly national brands, more McDonalds than mom and pop,” they write.

Now, you might expect that this is just a reflection of national parties, that the RNC and DNC began to polarize and the state parties just followed their lead. But that’s not what Hopkins and his co-authors found. They found that the state-level changes in polarization happened at the exact same time as measures of national polarization increased.

“If the state parties were simply taking their cues from national-level elites, one might expect a lag between the change in Congress and shifts in state-level platforms,” they explain. “The evidence instead suggests that both state parties and national-level officials were responding simultaneously to the same changes in the broader political environment.”

One of the major changes to the “broader political environment” on the Republican side has been the rise of a polluted national media ecosystem: Fox News, national radio hosts like Rush Limbaugh, far-right websites like Breitbart, and conspiracy-minded networks on social media platforms like Facebook. These institutions have worked to convince the party faithful and activists of untruths like “Trump actually won the 2020 election” and “Joe Biden is the pawn of radical socialists,” giving rise to a party that is mainlining extreme thinking at every level.

These are the epistemic conditions under which the Oregon state party could claim that the storming of the Capitol was a “false flag.” It’s how a Hawaii Republican Party official got attracted to the work of a Holocaust denier. It’s how the Arizona GOP could come to denounce its own sitting governor for trying to fight a deadly pandemic.

It’s obvious that some of the party’s national leaders, like Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (KY), don’t actually believe in these conspiracy theories. But for too long, the party has been comfortable letting their rank-and-file supporters believe them because it’s politically advantageous. Now, true believers are rising up and capturing the leadership of state parties and local activist groups — putting pressure on national politicians to conform to extreme ideas or risk a serious primary threat.

This makes the GOP’s post-Trump trajectory look even scarier. No one person or organization is in charge of the party, in a position to fix the root causes of its continuing turn toward extremism. Reforming the party requires a fight on multiple levels and in multiple arenas: reforms to the local and national party, transformations of both the party and adjacent institutions like Fox News.

During the recent Arizona Republican Party meeting, CNN spoke with two local GOP activists named Barbara Wyllie and Corky Haynes. These women, lifelong Republicans who call themselves “the Grassroots Grandmas,” seemed delighted with the censure moves.

“However Trump rolls is how the Republican Party’s gonna roll. This is the Trump Republican Party,” said Wyllie. “And the RINOs [Republican In Name Only] will fall off.”

The fight over the GOP’s future isn’t over. There are leading figures in state-level Republican Parties, like Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan, who are actively working to de-Trumpify their party.

But the early days of the post-Trump era suggest that the smart money isn’t with Hogan, but the Grassroots Grandmas.

 

 

[knapplc]

1 minute ago, Archy1221 said:

Maybe you were mistaking Cotton for Blumenthal??  

chalk it up as an honest mistake. 

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/richard-blumenthal-vietnam/

“We have learned something important since the days that I served in Vietnam,” Mr. Blumenthal said to the group gathered in Norwalk in March 2008.

 

There was one problem: Mr. Blumenthal, a Democrat now running for the United States Senate, never served in Vietnam. He obtained at least five military deferments from 1965 to 1970 and took repeated steps that enabled him to avoid going to war, according to records.
 

In May 2003, the Bridgeport News reported on a rally in support of American troops in Iraq which had been organized by a local veterans council. During his speech at that rally, Blumenthal contrasted the support shown for troops in 2003 with that shown to American military personnel returning from Vietnam. “When we returned, we saw nothing like this,” Blumenthal said, suggesting that he had personally been among those troops who served in the country of Vietnam, which he was not:

 

 

WOW that's a goalpost move!

 

 

 

 

 

Now tell us what Blumenthal has to do with Tom Cotton borrowing valor from the Rangers. Because he did that, and nothing you're going to post is going to remove that stain from him.

 

 

 

[DevoHusker]

 

 

 

[Archy1221]

7 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

 

WOW that's a goalpost move!

 

 

 

 

 

Now tell us what Blumenthal has to do with Tom Cotton borrowing valor from the Rangers. Because he did that, and nothing you're going to post is going to remove that stain from him.

 

 

 

Commander of US SOCOM disagrees with your assessment. 

[knapplc]

2 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

Commander of US SOCOM disagrees with your assessment. 

 

It's not my assessment - it's the assessment of hundreds of military who took umbrage to Cotton's stolen valor.

 

But your dude who disagrees is cool. Everyone has an opinion.

[knapplc]

First order of business is Republicans need to clean their own house.

 

 

 

 

[TGHusker]

48 minutes ago, DevoHusker said:

 

 

 

Why not- the GOP is full of crazy people in state legislatures - as we've seen by recent trump supporting moves at the local level.

[DevoHusker]

1 minute ago, TGHusker said:

Why not- the GOP is full of crazy people in state legislatures - as we've seen by recent trump supporting moves at the local level.

 

I wholeheartedly agree. But this gal came across as super whackadoodle...and she has backing now to run for Legislature? 

 

Crazy.