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What is the future of the Republican Party?

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11 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

Who is a leftist?

Anyone that can't see through the lies of the mainstream media as they cover up the impending victory of Trump and his warriors as they wage holy war on Satanic pedophiles that fake school shootings and the greatest terror attack on our nation but also make a mean pepperoni pizza (some say the secret ingredient is baby brains)....DUH!

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1 hour ago, RedDenver said:

The hundreds of posts you've made defending Trump say otherwise. I guess we'll find out if/when you find a way to support Trump in 2024.

Defending Trump on certain aspects means I have a Golden Cow?  Doesn’t really make sense now or help advance a conversation now does it? 

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On 2/22/2021 at 8:56 AM, Archy1221 said:

 

 

FWIW....Most want to hang onto Trump policies. 
 

 

 

 

But these were boilerplate GOP policies before Trump ran or became President. 

 

Go back and watch the 2008 Republican Presidential debates. The guys on stage were trying to our right wing each other. John McCain's centrist leanings actually got booed. Party stalwarts knew he wasn't a True Believer.  Ron Paul was dismissed as a libertarian looney, though he commanded his own sizable wing.  Mitt Romney was held suspect by party stalwarts too.  But when Republican voters pulled the lever, they went for McCain and Romney the next two elections.

 

Was it those two losses that turned the party farther right?  How did guys like Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, and Ben Carson get as far as they did?  They weren't bringing new ideas as much as they were declaring themselves cultural warriors.  Sensible and less-frightening Republican candidates suddenly found themselves on the inside looking out. 

 

But for all the cult of personality stuff, almost all of these candidates would have advanced similar agendas and policies. Yet none of them would have been willing to subvert democracy and try to remain in office as dictator other than Donald Trump.  The most un-American president in history is now the golden idol of millions of Republicans and Christians who don't get the irony. It's really creepy. 

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46 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

 

But these were boilerplate GOP policies before Trump ran or became President. 

 

Go back and watch the 2008 Republican Presidential debates. The guys on stage were trying to our right wing each other. John McCain's centrist leanings actually got booed. Party stalwarts knew he wasn't a True Believer.  Ron Paul was dismissed as a libertarian looney, though he commanded his own sizable wing.  Mitt Romney was held suspect by party stalwarts too.  But when Republican voters pulled the lever, they went for McCain and Romney the next two elections.

 

Was it those two losses that turned the party farther right?  How did guys like Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, and Ben Carson get as far as they did?  They weren't bringing new ideas as much as they were declaring themselves cultural warriors.  Sensible and less-frightening Republican candidates suddenly found themselves on the inside looking out. 

 

But for all the cult of personality stuff, almost all of these candidates would have advanced similar agendas and policies. Yet none of them would have been willing to subvert democracy and try to remain in office as dictator other than Donald Trump.  The most un-American president in history is now the golden idol of millions of Republicans and Christians who don't get the irony. It's really creepy. 

This!

 

Ben Sasse should never be accused of not holding conservative politics, but here we are :dunno

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2 hours ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

 

But these were boilerplate GOP policies before Trump ran or became President. 

 

Go back and watch the 2008 Republican Presidential debates. The guys on stage were trying to our right wing each other. John McCain's centrist leanings actually got booed. Party stalwarts knew he wasn't a True Believer.  Ron Paul was dismissed as a libertarian looney, though he commanded his own sizable wing.  Mitt Romney was held suspect by party stalwarts too.  But when Republican voters pulled the lever, they went for McCain and Romney the next two elections.

 

Was it those two losses that turned the party farther right?  How did guys like Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, and Ben Carson get as far as they did?  They weren't bringing new ideas as much as they were declaring themselves cultural warriors.  Sensible and less-frightening Republican candidates suddenly found themselves on the inside looking out. 

 

But for all the cult of personality stuff, almost all of these candidates would have advanced similar agendas and policies. Yet none of them would have been willing to subvert democracy and try to remain in office as dictator other than Donald Trump.  The most un-American president in history is now the golden idol of millions of Republicans and Christians who don't get the irony. It's really creepy. 

It's too bad there won't be an honest discussion about what it is that has an entire party transformed into a cult of personality over a guy who has zero charisma.

 

He lost the GOP the White House, Senate, and House.

 

He flubbed the pandemic response.

 

He's pandemic response tanked the economy.

 

He's driven a wedge into our society

 

He's less conservative than the likes of Romney, Sasse, Cheney, Amash, etc.

 

He's a proven pathological liar.

 

He incited an insurrection.

 

He blackmailed an ally.

 

He's cozied up to despots the world over all the while leaving our allies hanging.

 

So then what is it that makes him the defacto leader of the GOP?

 

All I can think of is that it's either latent, or not so latent, racism.

 

Or make the liberals cry.

 

Or Xenophobia.

 

Anything else?

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4 hours ago, BigRedBuster said:

Who here are you referring to.  

Whoever has leftist ideas 

3 hours ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

But these were boilerplate GOP policies before Trump ran or became President. 

That were never advanced by politicians because they lived speaking about them, but not actually doing anything. 

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3 hours ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

Go back and watch the 2008 Republican Presidential debates. The guys on stage were trying to our right wing each other. John McCain's centrist leanings actually got booed.

Are you referring to 2008 ‘finish the dang fence’ McCain?  Or 2016 ‘I’m against the wall’ McCain?  
 

3 hours ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

But for all the cult of personality stuff, almost all of these candidates would have advanced similar agendas and policies.

McCain had years and years of chances in the senate to advance the policies Trump did but he chose not to.  Romney was too much of a squish in 2012 to get elected.  Media and Dems worked together to get dirty against Romney and Romney decided he wanted to be liked more than he wanted to fight back harder.  He would of been ok on some things and worked to advance some good policies.  But he would have probably failed on border security and trade policy.  

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