Just normal American Utopia...

[Guy Chamberlin]

On 7/14/2023 at 2:13 PM, Archy1221 said:

Cut LOTS of things.  

 

Cutting wasteful things designed to kill people in order to afford things that help people is still a good place to start. 

 

Some social programs aren't handouts, as conservatives like to portray them, but contain genuine cost/benefit returns to society, including the business sector. 

[Dr. Strangelove]

15 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

 

Cutting wasteful things designed to kill people in order to afford things that help people is still a good place to start. 

 

Some social programs aren't handouts, as conservatives like to portray them, but contain genuine cost/benefit returns to society, including the business sector. 

Every dollar spent on food stamps returns more than a dollar back to local economies, for example.

[funhusker]

12 minutes ago, Dr. Strangelove said:

Every dollar spent on food stamps returns more than a dollar back to local economies, for example.

Just think about how happy the hard working small business owners would be if all of a sudden a bunch of young professionals had an extra $500 or so of discretionary income each month?

[teachercd]

41 minutes ago, funhusker said:

Just think about how happy the hard working small business owners would be if all of a sudden a bunch of young professionals had an extra $500 or so of discretionary income each month?

I have been saying that FOREVER and then of course you have the "but trickle down economics doesn't work" crowd, which lets face it, this is what that would be.  We all know how it goes the more money you have the more money you spend.  

 

Also, cut way back on foreign aid...help at home first and help at home the most.  Not saying to NOT help other countries but everything should be about the people in the country first.

[Guy Chamberlin]

17 minutes ago, teachercd said:

I have been saying that FOREVER and then of course you have the "but trickle down economics doesn't work" crowd, which lets face it, this is what that would be.  We all know how it goes the more money you have the more money you spend.  

 

Also, cut way back on foreign aid...help at home first and help at home the most.  Not saying to NOT help other countries but everything should be about the people in the country first.

 

Ah, no. The "Trickle Down Economics Doesn't Work Crowd" is saying pretty much the opposite. The Trickle theory is that if you just left the Capitalists alone to earn as much money as they want, that new money will work it's way down to everybody. After a 40 year field test, it turns out that the corporate sector instead perfected fresh new ways to keep more of the money for themselves, including having taxpayers bail them out when their greedier instincts turn catastrophic. Even the architects at the Chicago School of Economics admitted it didn't work as planned. 

 

In the bleeding-heart scenario, a little more money spent up front on affordable housing, mental health, social services, public education, small business incubation and theoretical science go neither up nor down, but create a healthier public infrastructure for everyone, including those same corporations -- the smart ones realizing that the people benefitting happen to be their neighbors, employees, and customers.  

[teachercd]

1 minute ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

 

Ah, no. The "Trickle Down Economics Doesn't Work Crowd" is saying pretty much the opposite. The Trickle theory is that if you just left the Capitalists alone to earn as much money as they want, that new money will work it's way down to everybody. After a 40 year field test, it turns out that the corporate sector instead perfected fresh new ways to keep more of the money for themselves, including having taxpayers bail them out when their greedier instincts turn catastrophic. Even the architects at the Chicago School of Economics admitted it didn't work as planned. 

 

In the bleeding-heart scenario, a little more money spent up front on affordable housing, mental health, social services, public education, small business incubation and theoretical science go neither up nor down, but create a healthier public infrastructure for everyone, including those same corporations -- the smart ones realizing that the people benefitting happen to be their neighbors, employees, and customers.  

Make more spend more.  It is how it goes.  Everyone wins.

 

The bolded part, LOVE IT, wish we would prioritize all of that and spend money at home first.

[Guy Chamberlin]

7 minutes ago, teachercd said:

Make more spend more.  It is how it goes.  Everyone wins.

 

 

And after I went to the trouble of explaining why everyone DOESN'T win......

[teachercd]

Just now, Guy Chamberlin said:

 

And after I went to the trouble of explaining why everyone DOESN'T win......

You explained something!  

 

 

[Archy1221]

6 hours ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

 

Cutting wasteful things designed to kill people in order to afford things that help people is still a good place to start. 

 

Some social programs aren't handouts, as conservatives like to portray them, but contain genuine cost/benefit returns to society, including the business sector. 

All true.   We should still cut LOTS of things 

[Archy1221]

6 hours ago, Dr. Strangelove said:

Every dollar spent on food stamps returns more than a dollar back to local economies, for example.

Maybe we should just give everyone food stamps for their entire meal budget 

 

(Food stamps are a great investment for those in need) 

[Archy1221]

6 hours ago, funhusker said:

Just think about how happy the hard working small business owners would be if all of a sudden a bunch of young professionals had an extra $500 or so of discretionary income each month?

Just think how happy they would be if everyone got their mortgage paid off for free and had a bunch of extra $500’s or so of discretionary income each month? 

[funhusker]

6 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

Just think how happy they would be if everyone got their mortgage paid off for free and had a bunch of extra $500’s or so of discretionary income each month? 

They would be thrilled!!!

 

Kind of what makes them hypocrites.

 

 

[Archy1221]

2 minutes ago, funhusker said:

They would be thrilled!!!

 

Kind of what makes them hypocrites.

 

 

Ehhh, not necessarily.  

[funhusker]

4 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

Ehhh, not necessarily.  

Ohhhhh!  Now I get it!

[Archy1221]

1 hour ago, funhusker said:

Ohhhhh!  Now I get it!

Good