Just normal American Utopia...

[Guy Chamberlin]

On 7/28/2023 at 11:32 AM, BigRedBuster said:

Yes it is.

 

 

 

I know liberals get accused of proposing pie in the sky social programs that we simply can't afford, but imagine the things we could do with just a slight readjustment of priorities. Ironically, the country would be stronger. 

[BigRedBuster]

3 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

 

I know liberals get accused of proposing pie in the sky social programs that we simply can't afford, but imagine the things we could do with just a slight readjustment of priorities. Ironically, the country would be stronger. 

The defense budget is just plain idiotic and so many people just think it's the patriotic thing to do...bla bla bla.....

 

We spend more than the next 10 countries.  Unacceptable.  If we would cut that in half, we would still be spending twice as much as China...the next leading country.  And, think about what we could do with that money.

[ZRod]

5 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

The defense budget is just plain idiotic and so many people just think it's the patriotic thing to do...bla bla bla.....

 

We spend more than the next 10 countries.  Unacceptable.  If we would cut that in half, we would still be spending twice as much as China...the next leading country.  And, think about what we could do with that money.

Or if we actually audited and made sure we get what we payed for, aren't over charged, and delays/budget over runs are at the contractors expense.

 

I don't think the government should be run like a business outside of the military and infrastructure. We get absolutely ripped off in those areas and need some hardcore evaluation.

[BigRedBuster]

2 minutes ago, ZRod said:

Or if we actually audited and made sure we get what we payed for, aren't over charged, and delays/budget over runs are at the contractors expense.

 

I don't think the government should be run like a business outside of the military and infrastructure. We get absolutely ripped off in those areas and need some hardcore evaluation.

Well...imagine if we cut the budget in half AND did all that.

 

But....that's not the "conservative" thing to do.

[ZRod]

6 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

Well...imagine if we cut the budget in half AND did all that.

 

But....that's not the "conservative" thing to do.

Indeed!

[Archy1221]

On 7/28/2023 at 1:32 PM, BigRedBuster said:

Yes it is.

 

 

Imagine if that $ amount were near zero or even half and the country was still just as safe.  Think of what that those hundreds of billions could fund domestically!!  Military expenditures are bloated.   
 

 

 

 

 
Now imagine what an even bigger $ number could fund domestically if our politicians (both sides) weren’t such asswipes and we weren’t paying more in debt service annually than what we pay in DOD expenditures.   Kinda makes the “well all this debt is ok” argument sound pretty silly.  

[BigRedBuster]

2 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

Imagine if that $ amount were near zero or even half and the country was still just as safe.  Think of what that those hundreds of billions could fund domestically!!  Military expenditures are bloated.   
 

 

 

 

 
Now imagine what an even bigger $ number could fund domestically if our politicians (both sides) weren’t such asswipes and we weren’t paying more in debt service annually than what we pay in DOD expenditures.   Kinda makes the “well all this debt is ok” argument sound pretty silly.  

Yep.

 

The deficit is expected to be much lower than either 2020 or 2021, coming in at something like 1.3 trillion.  So, cutting 400 billion from defense would immediately cut that by almost 1/3.  There are other areas that could be cut also (not eliminated) by doing what @ZRod suggests and just be smarter with what we spend.  Then, you put on top of that making sure everyone is paying the taxes they are supposed to be paying (funding the IRS the way they need to be) and...ding ding ding....we start getting to where we need to be.

[Archy1221]

11 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

Yep.

 

The deficit is expected to be much lower than either 2020 or 2021, coming in at something like 1.3 trillion.  So, cutting 400 billion from defense would immediately cut that by almost 1/3.  There are other areas that could be cut also (not eliminated) by doing what @ZRod suggests and just be smarter with what we spend.  Then, you put on top of that making sure everyone is paying the taxes they are supposed to be paying (funding the IRS the way they need to be) and...ding ding ding....we start getting to where we need to be.

Cut military spending to a sustainable level.

Close tax loopholes 

full audit of CMS (so much fraud and waste there) 

Stop the “emergency spending bills or the country will not recover”  nonsense. 
Audit government headcount (bloat that isn’t needed)

Update the software system for IRS

Quit monetarily propping up “too big to fail companies” with government money.  
Government revenues at current levels ( or previous years revenues quite frankly) are plenty to not have the yearly deficits Congress gives us.  

 

 

[teachercd]

Cut defense budget

Stop giving tons of cash to other countries 

Help out at home first

 

 

1 hour ago, BigRedBuster said:

 

 

Staged...totally fake.  

 

You can tell because he wasn't trying to steal KOOL's.

[Archy1221]

4 minutes ago, teachercd said:

Stop giving tons of cash to other countries

Damn I forgot about that one.   For sure 

[BigRedBuster]

25 minutes ago, teachercd said:

Stop giving tons of cash to other countries 

I would adjust this to, stop giving so much to countries halfway around the world because we need their oil (reduce our usage) and give to central american countries to improve their lives there so those people don't need to flee their country wanting to come here.  We will still have quite a bit of immigration, which we need.  But, it would cut it down.

[teachercd]

54 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

I would adjust this to, stop giving so much to countries halfway around the world because we need their oil (reduce our usage) and give to central american countries to improve their lives there so those people don't need to flee their country wanting to come here.  We will still have quite a bit of immigration, which we need.  But, it would cut it down.

This is a really good idea.

[BigRedBuster]

 

 

[Archy1221]

Well this story is turning out to be quite disingenuous in its framing.

 

John Cooper doing John Cooper things.   

[JJ Husker]

On 8/2/2023 at 11:00 AM, Archy1221 said:

Cut military spending to a sustainable level.

Close tax loopholes 

full audit of CMS (so much fraud and waste there) 

Stop the “emergency spending bills or the country will not recover”  nonsense. 
Audit government headcount (bloat that isn’t needed)

Update the software system for IRS

Quit monetarily propping up “too big to fail companies” with government money.  
Government revenues at current levels ( or previous years revenues quite frankly) are plenty to not have the yearly deficits Congress gives us.  

 

 

 

On 8/2/2023 at 11:26 AM, teachercd said:

Cut defense budget

Stop giving tons of cash to other countries 

Help out at home first

 

 

On 8/2/2023 at 11:53 AM, BigRedBuster said:

I would adjust this to, stop giving so much to countries halfway around the world because we need their oil (reduce our usage) and give to central american countries to improve their lives there so those people don't need to flee their country wanting to come here.  We will still have quite a bit of immigration, which we need.  But, it would cut it down.

Weird how most every American can agree on these common sense things but partisan politics prevents anything approaching common sense.

 

Reign in DoD spending and the deficit would fix itself. Yet one party insists on ridiculous levels of defense funding while simultaneously bemoaning and blaming the deficit. While the other side pretends the deficit isn’t a problem out of necessity to fund things that are impossible to fund with defense expenditures where they are.

 

In my mind I’m hearing Yakov Smirnov saying “what a country”.