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zoogs    6,011

Day One.

 

https://twitter.com/KelliZoe/status/796442907096055819

 

 

"Build that wall!"

 

One day after Republican candidate Donald Trump was elected president, some middle school students in Royal Oak chanted enthusiasm for one of his platform planks: the building of a wall between the United States and Mexico.

 

The incident — a small group of students chanting "Build the wall!" — was captured on video and shared widely via Facebook, and took place during a lunch at Royal Oak Middle School.

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TAKODA    543

I am not defending DT or HC here but this is asinine. Things like what is mentioned above happen every day in this country and long before Trump joined the political world.

 

But just as Obama was blamed, Trump will be too.

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Landlord    7,375

Things like what is mentioned above happen every day in this country and long before Trump joined the political world.

 

Maybe (although I have my suspicions that everything is exactly the same), but if so, how many of them were galvanized by and referencing the President? How many people committed hate crimes, how much hateful language, how much nationalism is done in the name of Barack Obama?

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teachercd    2,781

 

Things like what is mentioned above happen every day in this country and long before Trump joined the political world.

 

Maybe (although I have my suspicions that everything is exactly the same), but if so, how many of them were galvanized by and referencing the President? How many people committed hate crimes, how much hateful language, how much nationalism is done in the name of Barack Obama?

 

This is just a guess...but, lots? Cause lots of people are idiots?

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zoogs    6,011

I am not defending DT or HC here but this is asinine. Things like what is mentioned above happen every day in this country and long before Trump joined the political world.

 

But just as Obama was blamed, Trump will be too.

It would be a tragic blunder, in my view, not to see the connection between the newly empowered normal in America and the wave of support that elected Trump.

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https://www.splcenter.org/20160413/trump-effect-impact-presidential-campaign-our-nations-schools

 

 

 

It’s producing an alarming level of fear and anxiety among children of color and inflaming racial and ethnic tensions in the classroom. Many students worry about being deported.
Other students have been emboldened by the divisive, often juvenile rhetoric in the campaign. Teachers have noted an increase in bullying, harassment and intimidation of students whose races, religions or nationalities have been the verbal targets of candidates on the campaign trail.
Educators are perplexed and conflicted about what to do. They report being stymied by the need to remain nonpartisan but disturbed by the anxiety in their classrooms and the lessons that children may be absorbing from this campaign.

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https://www.splcenter.org/20160413/trump-effect-impact-presidential-campaign-our-nations-schools

 

 

 

It’s producing an alarming level of fear and anxiety among children of color and inflaming racial and ethnic tensions in the classroom. Many students worry about being deported.
Other students have been emboldened by the divisive, often juvenile rhetoric in the campaign. Teachers have noted an increase in bullying, harassment and intimidation of students whose races, religions or nationalities have been the verbal targets of candidates on the campaign trail.
Educators are perplexed and conflicted about what to do. They report being stymied by the need to remain nonpartisan but disturbed by the anxiety in their classrooms and the lessons that children may be absorbing from this campaign.

 

Educators telling other kids that hate speech and bullying is NOT allowed is not partisan. It's being a leader in the school and showing that those actions are not tolerated.

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BigRedBuster    7,314

 

 

https://www.splcenter.org/20160413/trump-effect-impact-presidential-campaign-our-nations-schools

 

 

 

It’s producing an alarming level of fear and anxiety among children of color and inflaming racial and ethnic tensions in the classroom. Many students worry about being deported.
Other students have been emboldened by the divisive, often juvenile rhetoric in the campaign. Teachers have noted an increase in bullying, harassment and intimidation of students whose races, religions or nationalities have been the verbal targets of candidates on the campaign trail.
Educators are perplexed and conflicted about what to do. They report being stymied by the need to remain nonpartisan but disturbed by the anxiety in their classrooms and the lessons that children may be absorbing from this campaign.

 

Educators telling other kids that hate speech and bullying is NOT allowed is not partisan. It's being a leader in the school and showing that those actions are not tolerated.

 

I'm pretty dang sure the students would not be allowed to chant that in our school.

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Count 'Bility    4,782

these frickin tools were this way before Trump. They think trump though gives them a right to act this way. It's sad that theyre stupid enough to think that is the case. This is what i mean by extreme idiots on both ends of the spectrum being a problem.

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Count 'Bility    4,782

 

 

 

https://www.splcenter.org/20160413/trump-effect-impact-presidential-campaign-our-nations-schools

 

 

 

It’s producing an alarming level of fear and anxiety among children of color and inflaming racial and ethnic tensions in the classroom. Many students worry about being deported.
Other students have been emboldened by the divisive, often juvenile rhetoric in the campaign. Teachers have noted an increase in bullying, harassment and intimidation of students whose races, religions or nationalities have been the verbal targets of candidates on the campaign trail.
Educators are perplexed and conflicted about what to do. They report being stymied by the need to remain nonpartisan but disturbed by the anxiety in their classrooms and the lessons that children may be absorbing from this campaign.

 

Educators telling other kids that hate speech and bullying is NOT allowed is not partisan. It's being a leader in the school and showing that those actions are not tolerated.

 

I'm pretty dang sure the students would not be allowed to chant that in our school.

 

Nor mine. For one it's just simple misbehavior against the rules. Unless raucous chants are allowed there.

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zoogs    6,011

Yes, TAKODA, but they're being put in an impossible situation.

 

In any normal course of events, we put aside our partisan differences and celebrate the new President.

 

It's a little hard to tell people about hate speech and misogyny when President-elect Donald Trump opened his campaign with "Mexico is sending murderers and rapists" (closing with "There are some baaaaaad hombres"), and never acknowledged that what he talked about was, in fact, sexual assault. Among the many, many other things he has said. It's impossible to celebrate a new President who thinks the worst part of "Grab her by the pu&&y" was that he offended people with his language. And it's impossible to repudiate hate speech, racism, and sexism, without repudiating the man -- and new POTUS -- himself. The absurdity of it all.

 

Think about the extent to which there is "DJT says what we are all thinking but have been afraid to say. Now we can."

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Count 'Bility    4,782

Yes, TAKODA, but they're being put in an impossible situation.

 

In any normal course of events, we put aside our partisan differences and celebrate the new President.

 

It's a little hard to tell people about hate speech and misogyny when President-elect Donald Trump opened his campaign with "Mexico is sending murderers and rapists" (closing with "There are some baaaaaad hombres"), and never acknowledged that what he talked about was, in fact, sexual assault. Among the many, many other things he has said. It's impossible to celebrate a new President who thinks the worst part of "Grab her by the pu&&y" was that he offended people with his language. And it's impossible to repudiate hate speech, racism, and sexism, without repudiating the man -- and new POTUS -- himself. The absurdity of it all.

 

Think about the extent to which there is "DJT says what we are all thinking but have been afraid to say. Now we can."

so there are no bad ppl coming across the border from Mexico?

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Yes, TAKODA, but they're being put in an impossible situation.

 

In any normal course of events, we put aside our partisan differences and celebrate the new President.

 

It's a little hard to tell people about hate speech and misogyny when President-elect Donald Trump opened his campaign with "Mexico is sending murderers and rapists" (closing with "There are some baaaaaad hombres"), and never acknowledged that what he talked about was, in fact, sexual assault. Among the many, many other things he has said. It's impossible to celebrate a new President who thinks the worst part of "Grab her by the pu&&y" was that he offended people with his language. And it's impossible to repudiate hate speech, racism, and sexism, without repudiating the man -- and new POTUS -- himself. The absurdity of it all.

 

Think about the extent to which there is "DJT says what we are all thinking but have been afraid to say. Now we can."

so there are no bad ppl coming across the border from Mexico?

 

The problem with his statements is that he says..."They aren't sending the good ones, folks".

 

Well, there is one hell of a big load of BS about that statement. I personally know some very very very good people who are hispanic immigrants that raise great families, participate in the community and America is better for them being here. But....all he has to say is we are getting a bunch of rapist and murderers.

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Count 'Bility    4,782

 

so there are no bad ppl coming across the border from Mexico?

Irresponsibly xenophobic fear-mongering.

 

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jul/14/gary-johnson/mexican-immigrants-more-law-abiding/

 

cool. But i never saw in there that all are law abiding. I also never saw anywhere where Trump said "all mexicans are bad hombres". See what's happening? spin mode in warp speed?

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BigRedBuster    7,314

 

 

so there are no bad ppl coming across the border from Mexico?

Irresponsibly xenophobic fear-mongering.

 

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jul/14/gary-johnson/mexican-immigrants-more-law-abiding/

 

cool. But i never saw in there that all are law abiding. I also never saw anywhere where Trump said "all mexicans are bad hombres". See what's happening? spin mode in warp speed?

 

So, what does "they aren't sending us the good ones" mean?

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Count 'Bility    4,782

 

 

Yes, TAKODA, but they're being put in an impossible situation.

 

In any normal course of events, we put aside our partisan differences and celebrate the new President.

 

It's a little hard to tell people about hate speech and misogyny when President-elect Donald Trump opened his campaign with "Mexico is sending murderers and rapists" (closing with "There are some baaaaaad hombres"), and never acknowledged that what he talked about was, in fact, sexual assault. Among the many, many other things he has said. It's impossible to celebrate a new President who thinks the worst part of "Grab her by the pu&&y" was that he offended people with his language. And it's impossible to repudiate hate speech, racism, and sexism, without repudiating the man -- and new POTUS -- himself. The absurdity of it all.

 

Think about the extent to which there is "DJT says what we are all thinking but have been afraid to say. Now we can."

so there are no bad ppl coming across the border from Mexico?

 

The problem with his statements is that he says..."They aren't sending the good ones, folks".

 

Well, there is one hell of a big load of BS about that statement. I personally know some very very very good people who are hispanic immigrants that raise great families, participate in the community and America is better for them being here. But....all he has to say is we are getting a bunch of rapist and murderers.

 

he did? he said that?

 

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guess i dont see it. never heard it. so it's assumption. interpretation. If you, and other people, wanna take it that way, so be it.

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zoogs    6,011

Count, it takes zero spin to be able to discern so much of what Trump has said as inflammatory and really, an open assault on decency norms in speech.

 

Therein the quandary.

 

You don't want to let kids know it's acceptable that this is how we talk to and about one another. And yet the new President does it. Not only that, the message of his campaign and his victory is that this ought to be OK.

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Yes, TAKODA, but they're being put in an impossible situation.

 

In any normal course of events, we put aside our partisan differences and celebrate the new President.

 

It's a little hard to tell people about hate speech and misogyny when President-elect Donald Trump opened his campaign with "Mexico is sending murderers and rapists" (closing with "There are some baaaaaad hombres"), and never acknowledged that what he talked about was, in fact, sexual assault. Among the many, many other things he has said. It's impossible to celebrate a new President who thinks the worst part of "Grab her by the pu&&y" was that he offended people with his language. And it's impossible to repudiate hate speech, racism, and sexism, without repudiating the man -- and new POTUS -- himself. The absurdity of it all.

 

Think about the extent to which there is "DJT says what we are all thinking but have been afraid to say. Now we can."

so there are no bad ppl coming across the border from Mexico?

 

The problem with his statements is that he says..."They aren't sending the good ones, folks".

 

Well, there is one hell of a big load of BS about that statement. I personally know some very very very good people who are hispanic immigrants that raise great families, participate in the community and America is better for them being here. But....all he has to say is we are getting a bunch of rapist and murderers.

 

he did? he said that?

 

giphy.gif

 

guess i dont see it. never heard it. so it's assumption. interpretation. If you, and other people, wanna take it that way, so be it.

 

 

You clearly haven't done your research on Trump.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/06/16/full-text-donald-trump-announces-a-presidential-bid/

 

"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

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Yes, TAKODA, but they're being put in an impossible situation.

 

In any normal course of events, we put aside our partisan differences and celebrate the new President.

 

It's a little hard to tell people about hate speech and misogyny when President-elect Donald Trump opened his campaign with "Mexico is sending murderers and rapists" (closing with "There are some baaaaaad hombres"), and never acknowledged that what he talked about was, in fact, sexual assault. Among the many, many other things he has said. It's impossible to celebrate a new President who thinks the worst part of "Grab her by the pu&&y" was that he offended people with his language. And it's impossible to repudiate hate speech, racism, and sexism, without repudiating the man -- and new POTUS -- himself. The absurdity of it all.

 

Think about the extent to which there is "DJT says what we are all thinking but have been afraid to say. Now we can."

so there are no bad ppl coming across the border from Mexico?

 

The problem with his statements is that he says..."They aren't sending the good ones, folks".

 

Well, there is one hell of a big load of BS about that statement. I personally know some very very very good people who are hispanic immigrants that raise great families, participate in the community and America is better for them being here. But....all he has to say is we are getting a bunch of rapist and murderers.

 

he did? he said that?

 

giphy.gif

 

guess i dont see it. never heard it. so it's assumption. interpretation. If you, and other people, wanna take it that way, so be it.

 

As a very staunch Trump supporter... yes, yes he said that. lol

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Count 'Bility    4,782

PC. He should be nicey nice for the sake of it, cuz we have ppl who cant handle the truth in a proper way? Dont say this or that, cuz such and such might us it to overreach and generalize?

 

lot of reaching goin on in here. im out. good chats fellas. I'll go back to being a happy delusional uneducated guy from podunk i guess. Enjoy being miserable over nothing.

 

Count, it takes zero spin to be able to discern so much of what Trump has said as inflammatory and really, an open assault on decency norms in speech.

Therein the quandary.

You don't want to let kids know it's acceptable that this is how we talk to and about one another. And yet the new President does it. Not only that, the message of his campaign and his victory is that this ought to be OK.

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zoogs    6,011

@Atbone, that video, also deplorable. And no, *that* violence is not on Trump or his supporters.

 

@Count, if your position is this is all fine and let kids say what they want, then of course it is no quandary or even issue to you. To me, it's decency under assault.

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@Atbone, that video, also deplorable.

I'm saying, both sides need to knock this sh#t off: "if _____ hadn't campaigned this way, this wouldn't have happened".

 

No. bullsh#t. There are some very, very deep issues this country needs to purge itself of, and this would have happened regardless of the winner of this election. Don't tell me this is "Trump's America" as if he incited this.

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PC. He should be nicey nice for the sake of it, cuz we have ppl who cant handle the truth in a proper way? Dont say this or that, cuz such and such might us it to overreach and generalize?

 

lot of reaching goin on in here. im out. good chats fellas. I'll go back to being a happy delusional uneducated guy from podunk i guess. Enjoy being miserable over nothing.

 

Count, it takes zero spin to be able to discern so much of what Trump has said as inflammatory and really, an open assault on decency norms in speech.

 

Therein the quandary.

 

You don't want to let kids know it's acceptable that this is how we talk to and about one another. And yet the new President does it. Not only that, the message of his campaign and his victory is that this ought to be OK.

 

Question Count.....

 

Do you let your kids say whatever they want to people no matter if it offends or hurts other people?

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zoogs    6,011

 

@Atbone, that video, also deplorable.

I'm saying, both sides need to knock this sh#t off: "if _____ hadn't campaigned this way, this wouldn't have happened".

 

No. bullsh#t. There are some very, very deep issues this country needs to purge itself of, and this would have happened regardless of the winner of this election. Don't tell me this is "Trump's America" as if he incited this.

 

He did incite this.

 

I'm sorry. I know that you like him. But, he owns his campaign -- his rhetoric -- his fanning of the flames. That history is there. You, though, you don't own any of that. No Trump voter who does not condone this owns any of it, if they don't want to.

 

But the movement that propelled Trump to the presidency? They do. This is theirs. This is people who wanted to "take back their country" and now feeling like they have. And I think we, all of us, should be clear-eyed about that this is what that means to them.

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Atbone95    1,150

 

 

@Atbone, that video, also deplorable.

I'm saying, both sides need to knock this sh#t off: "if _____ hadn't campaigned this way, this wouldn't have happened".

 

No. bullsh#t. There are some very, very deep issues this country needs to purge itself of, and this would have happened regardless of the winner of this election. Don't tell me this is "Trump's America" as if he incited this.

 

He did incite this.

 

I'm sorry. I know that you like him. But, he owns his campaign -- his rhetoric -- his fanning of the flames. That history is there. You, though, you don't own any of that. No Trump voter who does not condone this owns any of it, if they don't want to.

 

But the movement that propelled Trump to the presidency? They do. This is theirs. This is people who wanted to "take back their country" and now feeling like they have.

 

Trump incited Hillary supporters jumping his own supporters?

 

Now that the election is over, can we go back to the emails proving the DNC hired contractors to incite violence at his rallies?

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At the high school one district north of me:

 

Police and officials at Maple Grove Senior High say they've launched an investigation into racist, pro-Donald Trump graffiti.

 

The photos of the graffiti, which exploded on social media Wednesday, were apparently taken in a boys bathroom at the school. The messages appeared on a bathroom door and a toiletry cover. They include the words "#gobacktoafrica", "#whitesonly" and "#whiteamerica". It also included the pro-Trump messages "Trump Train" and "Make America Great Again".

 

The blurred words at the top of the picture say F**k N*****s. The first blurred hashtag says #f***allporchmonkeys

 

MGSH%20graffiti%20door%20blurred_1478736

 

http://www.kare11.com/news/local/maple-grove-hs-investigating-racist-graffiti/350560184

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zoogs    6,011

Here's the thing, guys. The election is over now. We aren't campaigning for one candidate or another's votes anymore. We don't own any of this stuff that's going on.

 

But we *can* draw a straight line from what we heard and saw in campaign messages and at rallies, to these things of the exact same tenor. We can look at that, see it for what it is, and push back against it. Together.

 

I was told and do believe that most Republicans even in the Trump camp, they had their reasons but they absolutely rejected this stuff. I really believe that there's more decency than not in this world.

 

Here's our chance to come together and show it. This wing, this element of Trumpism -- that's not us, liberal, conservative, libertarian, what-have-you. Yes?

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TAKODA    543

Wow, some of you all need to relax a little bit or you are not going to make it through Trumps Presidency. You will stroke out with worry or concern.

 

I come from the military & law enforcement side of the world and all this (oh the world is going to end because of DT's comments or stuff he spewed during the election, or he has this type of skeleton in his closet) has to be put in perspective.

 

Too many things being said in the mass number of threads to address them all here, but the truth is, we did not get a saint as the President Elect.

 

But how he talks, what he states, the words he uses in his sentences, is pretty typical amongst the workforce, in the real world on a daily basis. His views and how he describes his views are not foriegn to those who come from the blue collar workforce.

 

I am not condoning how he talks, or what he states, but I am also not shocked by it, fear struck or irreparably harmed, because it is the world in which we live. He is the future commander and chief here in the USA and I will do my part to support his intentions.

 

Truthfully, I think there are many people on this board and elsewhere, who were truly Hillary supporters all long, rather than being forced to elect from what they believed to be the lesser of two evils.

 

We all need to come together to help this nation get better, safer and more productive for our children's sake! Before you all say how can you turn a blind eye to some of this or that, or knock the level of my intelligence, let me say, because I have to, as my family, home, auto, work, and everything else I am associated to is based in the real world with real world situations.

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Landlord    7,375

God forbid we hold our President to a higher standard of decency than we hold ole Hank from the auto shop, or we pretend like the most powerful man in the free world has a lot more influence on the thoughts and behaviors of a country than joe schmo from Surprise, Nebraska does.

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TAKODA    543

God forbid we hold our President to a higher standard of decency than we hold ole Hank from the auto shop, or we pretend like the most powerful man in the free world has a lot more influence on the thoughts and behaviors of a country than joe schmo from Surprise, Nebraska does.

Higher standard of decency?

 

Is decency defined by the ability to talk with political correctness?

 

Are we not judged by deeds rather than words?

 

That is not what I am saying and you know it. By the way, Old hank has been talking this way since birth. Joe Scmoe has had to work 14 hours a day for 40 years to afford his, home, old pickup, and his kids educational cost, so his kid could live a different life than Joe did. By the way, Joes kid had kids and guess who is taking care of them, good ole Joe.

 

I can't for the life of me figure out why Joe has the feeling he does, and why he would like a little of what the the elietest have had for a very long time.

 

Bad Joe. Bad!

 

I edited this because part of what I pasted went away for some reason, sorry!

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God forbid we hold our President to a higher standard of decency than we hold ole Hank from the auto shop, or we pretend like the most powerful man in the free world has a lot more influence on the thoughts and behaviors of a country than joe schmo from Surprise, Nebraska does.

I guess I just like to think we are equal...don't you? I mean, once we are adults. Right?

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Pedro Guerrero    616

what also shocks me is how shocked some of you are about things that go on at schools.

 

I agree teach. The things my kids tell me on a daily basis is ridiculous and it isn't the fault of the standing President or the one just elected.

 

People make their own choices.

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what also shocks me is how shocked some of you are about things that go on at schools.

 

I agree teach. The things my kids tell me on a daily basis is ridiculous and it isn't the fault of the standing President.

 

If I could (trust me I want to) I would share snapchats that I get from a teaching buddy of mine who teaches at a horrible high school. OH MY GOD, the stuff he puts up with, sees, hears...crazy.

 

Most of the people here would be floored because honestly most of the people that post here probably have no idea what some schools are like.

 

Shoot, you should see (yes, video) some of the stuff that he showed me the other day after the election.

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At the high school one district north of me:

 

Police and officials at Maple Grove Senior High say they've launched an investigation into racist, pro-Donald Trump graffiti.

 

The photos of the graffiti, which exploded on social media Wednesday, were apparently taken in a boys bathroom at the school. The messages appeared on a bathroom door and a toiletry cover. They include the words "#gobacktoafrica", "#whitesonly" and "#whiteamerica". It also included the pro-Trump messages "Trump Train" and "Make America Great Again".

 

The blurred words at the top of the picture say F**k N*****s. The first blurred hashtag says #f***allporchmonkeys

 

MGSH%20graffiti%20door%20blurred_1478736

 

http://www.kare11.com/news/local/maple-grove-hs-investigating-racist-graffiti/350560184

 

Ha ha! Because we all know that graffiti in a high school bathroom—probably written by a kid who has never voted—is representative of Trump supporters. Why would this be a thing in social media? What does it have to do with anything, other than proving that some high school kids are juvenile idiots? :lol:

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