zoogs Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 knapplc for president I'm serious. Better that than Zuckerberg 2020, which I think builds off the same sentiments but is frightening in its own way. Link to comment
Danny Bateman Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 As long as we're tossing celebrities out there, I'd support either Bill Gates or Elon Musk in 2020. I don't know why people keep bringing up Kanye. Link to comment
zoogs Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Elon Musk was actually born in Africa :o :o I think people mention Kanye because he actually has ambitions. I think Zuck does, too. But I feel all these people are a little too disconnected from the actual everyman, nonpolitician appeal they will attempt to channel. I'd support Gates, but he seems like the kind of guy who would never get into politics. Link to comment
Landlord Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Mike McHargue is who I'd argue would be the greatest candidate for the Presidency. Mark Cuban could actually be a really good President, I think. Link to comment
B.B. Hemingway Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Libertarians have the right idea, just wish they could of found someone better than Gary Johnson. Link to comment
Danny Bateman Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 No wonder the House GOP voted to exempt ACA repeal bills from required analysis by the CBO. Link to comment
knapplc Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 2026? That's nine years away, post-Trump even. Link to comment
Danny Bateman Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 I believe the CBO scores proposals based on ten year estimates, correct? I don't know a whole lot about their work but I think that's correct. That analysis assumed repeal without replacement, though. That isn't likely to happen. I did come across this piece this morning as well, though: The comments come after Trump told The Washington Post this weekend that he is nearly done crafting a plan that has "insurance for everybody" as its goal, although his transition team quickly walked back those remarks Monday. Lawmakers want to focus on lowering costs, not expanding coverage, which is one of the Democrats' main talking points. They are very wary of discussing how many people would be insured under their plan, aware that many Americans are concerned they'll lose their coverage under a would-be GOP overhaul. Instead, they are emphasizing more people will have access to more affordable policies. It appears his comments are not in step with GOP at all. This may have been more thoughtless posturing from Trump. 1 Link to comment
zoogs Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Trump's rhetoric on this issue is turning him into a potential ally for progressives. This is neither an excuse nor an endorsement of him. The methods he's actually likely to pursue to those ends are very dangerous, and I hope that real progressives will be able to see clearly the choice between ideal healthcare and democracy. The former can always be fought for and regained in the normal course of politics. The latter should never be lost. Link to comment
Fru Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 To me, health care is such an important and critical issue that I don't care who implements/improves it. If the GOP had proposed something more efficient and better than the ACA then that's phenomenal. But they didn't, and haven't. They're about to strip life saving health care from people. Explain that one to me all you "100% Pro Lifers" 2 Link to comment
zoogs Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 ^^ Yup. To add, what I meant by the democracy thing is Trump's strategy appears to be using the bully pulpit to cow private industry into submission. I don't think that will succeed here in the U.S., but in general this kind of a world can be realized, and that's called fascism. Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 I believe the CBO scores proposals based on ten year estimates, correct? I don't know a whole lot about their work but I think that's correct. That analysis assumed repeal without replacement, though. That isn't likely to happen. I did come across this piece this morning as well, though: The comments come after Trump told The Washington Post this weekend that he is nearly done crafting a plan that has "insurance for everybody" as its goal, although his transition team quickly walked back those remarks Monday. Lawmakers want to focus on lowering costs, not expanding coverage, which is one of the Democrats' main talking points. They are very wary of discussing how many people would be insured under their plan, aware that many Americans are concerned they'll lose their coverage under a would-be GOP overhaul. Instead, they are emphasizing more people will have access to more affordable policies. It appears his comments are not in step with GOP at all. This may have been more thoughtless posturing from Trump. This is going to sound like I'm defending Trump which makes me want to throw up. But, dismantling and replacing in pieces is an absolute DUMB idea. You have to go about this with an end frame work that you want to get to. Doing it in pieces is going to result in a huge legislation where the pieces don't work together. Now, if they want to propose and pass a replacement that is best implemented in pieces....then great. But, to pass different parts over the next 4 years is a recipe for failure. 2 Link to comment
knapplc Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 I believe the CBO scores proposals based on ten year estimates, correct? I don't know a whole lot about their work but I think that's correct. That analysis assumed repeal without replacement, though. That isn't likely to happen. I did come across this piece this morning as well, though: The comments come after Trump told The Washington Post this weekend that he is nearly done crafting a plan that has "insurance for everybody" as its goal, although his transition team quickly walked back those remarks Monday. Lawmakers want to focus on lowering costs, not expanding coverage, which is one of the Democrats' main talking points. They are very wary of discussing how many people would be insured under their plan, aware that many Americans are concerned they'll lose their coverage under a would-be GOP overhaul. Instead, they are emphasizing more people will have access to more affordable policies. It appears his comments are not in step with GOP at all. This may have been more thoughtless posturing from Trump. How can they possibly be "in the dark" about a replacement plan when they've had it ready to roll out for the last six years? All we've heard is the Republicans are going to "Repeal and Replace" Obamacare. Don't tell me that was a lie this whole time. If so I'll be shocked. SHOCKED, I SAY! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 6 Link to comment
JJ Husker Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 No wonder the House GOP voted to exempt ACA repeal bills from required analysis by the CBO. I do not like at all how they (Trump) are going about replacing the ACA. I'm not sure any of them have an alternate plan because I sure haven't heard any details other than the horsesh#t of being allowed to purchase across state lines. To be honest it is making me fairly nervous that they repeal and then don't do crap, like they haven't in forever already. But I will say, if premiums are only going to double by 2026, sign me up for that much lower cost trajectory. That is nine years away. I don't know about you guys but my premiums have much more than doubled in the last 9 years. This year alone I saw a 28% increase, last year was about 18%, and the year they implemented the ACA it was about 10% plus the across the board 25% increase. The problem with the ACA has always been that they didn't fix or even begin to address the cost problem. It does need to be severely tweaked or replaced but all these asshats care about is repeal. If they know how to fix it, I sure would like for them to share how. Considering that hasn't happened at all, I will assume they're about to make a much bigger mess of it. Link to comment
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