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I'm guessing, but Chinander is a former D-Line coach was he not?

Outside of continuity, It's not a massive loss. He wasn't an exceptional recruiter & Raiola presumably fills that connection to Hawaii now. Losing Fisher would decimate that room and be a huge loss for example. It will be interesting to see how this void is filled. I assume Dawson back to D-Line. Maybe Blackshirts stay in 4-2-5 out of necessity. I joke.

The problem with that scenario is that OLB's are a very unnatural position for a DC to attempt to coach in game while calling game. IF NU went that route, Ruud makes the most sense, & frankly he's the weakest link as both a coach & recruiter on that side of the ball.

Nash may be a more natural O-line prospect, but if the Jurgens experiment has taught us nothing, it's taught us not to count on position switch player immediately. So, I'm gonna have to adamantly disagree with OP, and add I think Lutovsky is going to be a beast.

So, moral of this story is...Riding players who aren't ready believing there is a big pay off in the end, just gets you entitled players, a bunch of L's, and a losing culture?

I'll admit I'm late to this party, but I learned the need for a STC is just too undeniable. Tough because the only way I can see it being achievable is letting Ruud go. But, he's not a recruiting ace, & it's ridiculous to think anything positive can come of coaching changes that do not include a STC.

LET'S GO BRANDON

I've noticed NPG's is consistently right behind Frost during tunnel walks. I think that speaks to a young man who is bought in and on paper he appears to be in line to take over a starting role next season. Although, if Tyreke isn't one of the top 3 CB's, I would be real interested in seeing him on the back end if I were TFish.

+1 In addition, spring ball, and fall camp account for a vast majority of real practice time a team has in a given season. Yet, the depth chart at RB was consistently in flux and flipped on it's head in-season under Held. There just has to be a better understanding of what you have and who you are preparing to roll with throughout fall camp & in-season.

There's no room on this staff for a dedicated ST's coach w/o Frost or Chinander coaching a position. Frost is moving further away from that & Ruud would be natural position for Chins to fill. Those are just how the facts line up, like it or not.

There's no Holy Grail. It's still players, coaching, play calling, execution. & play making Any massive shift in scheme would tell me Frost has lost confidence and is grasping at straws & I'd give him virtually zero chance of a 6th season. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it his case "We're close"? But, we also need to overhaul the entire offensive scheme? Sorry, those are juxtaposed positions.

Fisher was holdover This is wow, but at least Frost means business

Coach Prime? Because who doesn't want to see daddy ball at the college level? If Frost is retained, & GT fires staff, I would be on phone to Brent Key stat. Great O-line coach, former Saban assistant, has been on staff with Beckton & Fisher previously

I honestly don't think it's an issue Austin needed help to address a specialty position. No coach knows everything about the game or his position group. But, the very big problem is that it took Frost to step in and address the issue.

This sounds like a DC solution. You know that solution we had before that is failing miserably? I'm pretty sure if we just double down on it, everything will be perfect.

+1 I gave Frost the benefit of the doubt longer than many. But, the way this team continues to find ways to lose isn't inspiring of confidence in the coaching. And if he comes back next year and this team lays another egg in week 0 to Northwestern in Dublin, then what? Dreams of bowl eligibility?

Absolutely, and now you're getting into pre and post snap reads, and having the confidence to let it go. But, throwing mechanics should be elementary. When those are lacking, I'm not expecting much in these areas

Overall, they've been solid this season, but they aren't blameless, particularly in the games that are ultimately going to cost this team a bowl game, & Frost his job, lets just be real on that.

I was going to post virtually this, but will add, I've been around enough teams to know this playing down to the opponent issue that has plagued this team under Frost is a top down problem. So, while I feel for Frost the former player, Frost the coach has nobody to blame but himself. People can talk about missed opportunities, but as played, this game still came down to 2 missed FG's, poor punts, & OSU drilling a 47 yd FG to cement the W. That is the difference between where this team has been all year and where it needs to go.

AM aims the ball. I could go deeper into his mechanics & other things, but every time I see him throw the ball I ask myself how the hell does Mario have a job? He's worked with this kid for four years. I'm a former DB who coaches kids with far less talent, but they throw the ball, and trust their mechanics to provide accuracy because it's what I preach daily. It's something I just can't get past anytime there is discussion of AM or MV cuz it's elementary stuff to anybody who has thrown a ball in any sport at any level.

I fail to see problem here. You're team is coming off two lackluster performances in games set up for them to win and maintain momentum. They clearly aren't driven to play for coaches, one just lost his father when they laid egg. Maybe they decide to play for each other??? But, biggest upset of season will be if they don't get breaks beaten off them Saturday imo.

I'll keep this post to surface issues, because anything deeper is just too frustrating... I learned that moral victories just become L's when you don't win winnable games... I learned my optimism this team could reach 6 wins and go bowling is dead... I think it's going to be very difficult for Frost to retain his job & I've finally accepted that!

I do agree with you, my concern would be in this era of transfer portal, roster would be undone overnight.

I learned you take points when score 0-0, not really, but you do, even though I like aggressiveness, it's not like it was 4 & goal from inside 1. Since this team became a run, play action offense, they've become a good team. But that Illinois loss still haunts them & the Michigan State loss still stings. This team is close, but we're going to have to see how the season ends to see what that really means. Minnesota is a BIG game. AM has been good this year, but he continues to find ways to kill this team w/untimely turnovers. Defense has been very good, but they can't get necessary stops when game on the line, and this team continues to look inept in 2:00 minute opportunities that determine games. I really hope they close out strong and ride this push to next season, because if Frost isn't retained, I fear NU is back to square one.

I usually cringe a little when I open thread titles that look like they should just be a comment in a broader thread, but us old heads deserve a place to re-live our youths every now and then...thumbs up