rkhufu7 Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 He is the type of back that we don't get here anymore. He is a Phillips and Green type back, even Evans in year one. A difference maker at I-back, but we are able to get by with the workman and I-backs by committee system we have now. Quote Link to comment
Enhance Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 He is the type of back that we don't get here anymore. He is a Phillips and Green type back, even Evans in year one. A difference maker at I-back, but we are able to get by with the workman and I-backs by committee system we have now. You know, we actually had quite a "committee" of backs at NU through out the decades. Take 1995 for example. If they were all healthy (and out of legal trouble) we had Lawrence Phillips, Ahman Green, and Damon Benning all getting quite a few reps in the game they were healthy in. No we have Helu, Castille, and Mendoza (with the possibility of Okafor and maybe Ward finding a way onto the field). It's not so different now as you might think. Quote Link to comment
Pedro Guerrero Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 It's not so different now as you might think. If you mean it isn't that much different as in we play mulitple backs then sure. However that being said none of the backs here now would have even sniffed the field in 1995 season. Quote Link to comment
Blackshirt316 Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 He is the type of back that we don't get here anymore. He is a Phillips and Green type back, even Evans in year one. A difference maker at I-back, but we are able to get by with the workman and I-backs by committee system we have now. You know, we actually had quite a "committee" of backs at NU through out the decades. Take 1995 for example. If they were all healthy (and out of legal trouble) we had Lawrence Phillips, Ahman Green, and Damon Benning all getting quite a few reps in the game they were healthy in. No we have Helu, Castille, and Mendoza (with the possibility of Okafor and maybe Ward finding a way onto the field). It's not so different now as you might think. Don't forget Clinton Childs. Quote Link to comment
HuskerJen Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 He is the type of back that we don't get here anymore. He is a Phillips and Green type back, even Evans in year one. A difference maker at I-back, but we are able to get by with the workman and I-backs by committee system we have now. You're basing this "difference-maker" notion on what, his "star" ranking coming out of high school? Let's take a look at the top 5 RB's from the 2008 recruiting class and how they did as true freshman: 2008's #1 RB, 5* Darrell Scott, who signed with Colorado, had: 87 Attempts, 343 yards rushing, 3.94 yards per carry. See the stats here ---> Darrell Scott Yes, that's a real "difference maker." ___________________________________________________________________ Jermie Calhoun, #2 rated 5*, signed with Oklahoma. No stats...redshirted more than likely. ___________________________________________________________________ Ryan Williams, #3 rated 4*, signed with Virginia Tech. No stats...probably redshirted. ___________________________________________________________________ Jonas Gray, #4 rated 4*, signed with Notre Lame. 21 carries, 90 yards, 4,8 yards per carry --->Jonas Gray ____________________________________________________________________ Cyrus Gray, #5 rated 4*, signed with Texas A&M. 75 carries, 363 yards 4.8 yards per carry ----> Cyrus Gray _____________________________________________________________________ Well there you have it...the top 5 RB's according to rivals.com and in their respective true freshman years they did equivalent to jack schitt. Quote Link to comment
robsker Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 It's not so different now as you might think. If you mean it isn't that much different as in we play mulitple backs then sure. However that being said none of the backs here now would have even sniffed the field in 1995 season. Agreed. I like our backs now and appreciate having them. That said, none would have been in the top three --- or with Clinton Childs, perhaps even the top 4 (maybe). I suppose it could be argued that several of our current guys are fairly comparable to Benning and/or Childs --- and that might be a reasonable statement --- but, generally, the quality of 1995 was exceptional. Quote Link to comment
VA Husker Fan Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 He is the type of back that we don't get here anymore. He is a Phillips and Green type back, even Evans in year one. A difference maker at I-back, but we are able to get by with the workman and I-backs by committee system we have now. You know, we actually had quite a "committee" of backs at NU through out the decades. Take 1995 for example. If they were all healthy (and out of legal trouble) we had Lawrence Phillips, Ahman Green, and Damon Benning all getting quite a few reps in the game they were healthy in. No we have Helu, Castille, and Mendoza (with the possibility of Okafor and maybe Ward finding a way onto the field). It's not so different now as you might think. 1995 was only somewhat evenly split in carries because of Phillips' suspension, and because the many blowouts gave Osborne a chance to split the load. In 1994, Phillips carried 4X more than anyone else, and 95 would've been pretty similar. 1997 was pretty similar with Green getting over 5X more carries than any other I-back. Rozier in 1983 was like that too. Look at any close game in those years, and you'll see there was no committee at all. In some other years, we had the "We-backs", or Evans/Green, or Rozier/Craig, but that was basically having 2 guys with the uber-talent. And then there were years where we didn't have any super backs. Didn't Lucky look like he was going to be one of those difference makers when he came in? And he was very good, just not the dominating force like Phillips, Green and Rozier were. Bryce Brown may or may not ever be a great back in college. I know I'm glad we weren't part of his circus. I'll bet Tennessee gets one good year out of him. Quote Link to comment
Touchdown Tommie Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 I think I could have looked like an All-American on the 95 team. I am sure if Helu could have the line that Green and Co. had back then he would have similar numbers....the key word is similar. Outside of his legal issues, I think Phillips was one the best backs. I just wish he could have stayed out of trouble.... Quote Link to comment
braskypants Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 It's not so different now as you might think. If you mean it isn't that much different as in we play mulitple backs then sure. However that being said none of the backs here now would have even sniffed the field in 1995 season. Jay Simms was 5th string that year. I bet he'd be starting on the 2009 team. Quote Link to comment
Huskers Forever Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 It's not so different now as you might think. If you mean it isn't that much different as in we play mulitple backs then sure. However that being said none of the backs here now would have even sniffed the field in 1995 season. Jay Simms was 5th string that year. I bet he'd be starting on the 2009 team. Man, you guys are not giving Helu much love. We saw Simms carry the ball a couple of times, so we really don't have any idea how good he was. Remeber, those guys were also running behind the " Pipeline", which was the best O-Line in Husker history. Quote Link to comment
Husker_x Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 The I-back by committee thing is great when it works, frustrating as hell when it doesn't. Nothing made my blood boil more than watching a perfectly good Helu get sidelined so Castille could come in and get stuffed on a 3/4-1. I'm not knocking Q, because his Gator Bowl performance more than solidified some playing time in the coming season, but when you get a back that's hot, play him. No need to tiptoe through the f'ing tulips when one guy is starting to break ten yarders every other carry. And in the 90s we were up by six or seven thousand at the half. You could have given Osborne carries and he would have been on the All American team at that point. Quote Link to comment
jayhawk Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Maybe, but Lawrence Phillips II went somewhere else, and you guys will be better off without him... Quote Link to comment
TMul Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 IMO-Bryce Brown made a horrible decision to go to Tennessee and their "NFL/USC" rebuilding experiment that will be going on during his college career. They have serious O-line/QB problems and he will get ate alive going up against SEC defenses. The key to USC's team is they get the best of the best at all positions, hence the reason why they run a pro system, UT isn't in the same class. He was hook line and sinkered by Kiffin and his NFL deal. He's my kid, no if ands or butts, he's running the ball for Oregon in their spread/option based running attack that is well established and one of the top offenses in CFB. Year after year they churn out NFL caliber Rb's that go on to the league. Gawd I hate Oregon, but I truly envy their offensive system. There is absolutely no reason NU should not be running a system very similar to Oregons/Floridas. Hopefully in 3-4 years Frosty will be ready to come back to NU to run the offense- I CAN'T WAIT!! Quote Link to comment
chamrocck Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Jonas Gray, #4 rated 4*, signed with Notre Lame. 21 carries, 90 yards, 4,8 yards per carry --->Jonas Gray Agree...I'll take Helu Jr. all day over Jonas Gray...that guy really blew it. Quote Link to comment
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