zoogs Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 christians literally take pride in believing in something that they cannot see or prove, because they think that their faith is some kind of a test also any argument a christian presents comes from their standpoint that their faith is absolutely correct. productive! So, what if we are wrong? Then what? We all go to the same ground you will when we die. But what if we are right? Eh? Then what happens Tschu? Then tschu is a big dummy and gets left out of heaven where all the good believers are. D'oh! Link to comment
Scratchtown Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 christians literally take pride in believing in something that they cannot see or prove, because they think that their faith is some kind of a test also any argument a christian presents comes from their standpoint that their faith is absolutely correct. productive! So, what if we are wrong? Then what? We all go to the same ground you will when we die. But what if we are right? Eh? Then what happens Tschu? Then tschu is a big dummy and gets left out of heaven where all the good believers are. Look, I don't mean to sound self righteous in the previous comment or scenario, if you will. I'm really horrible at christian apologetics so I really should just keep my mouth shut. I'm only bringing more harm. Link to comment
zoogs Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Nah, it's all good Pascal's wager is interesting, but as others have pointed out, is flawed. Doesn't mention for example, other possibilities with infinitely negative payoffs. Link to comment
Landlord Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 I actually loathe the Christian argument of, "oh if we're right then good for us but if we're wrong then who cares we all end up the same right? That implies that following Jesus didn't cost you anything, and Paul has some choice words for that kind of 'faith'. And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain. We are even found to be misrepresenting God, because we testified about God that he raised Christ, whom he did not raise if it is true that the dead are not raised. For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins. (1 Corinthians 15:14-17 ESV) In other words, if you are doing the Christian thing the right way, and it turns out to be a lie, then you have wasted your life. If you bet your entire life savings on the Huskers to win the national championship last year, and you turned out to be wrong, would you shrug it off? No you would be devastated and wrecked with regret because you gave all of yourself to something that was for naught. The same is true of Christianity, or at least, the same is supposed to be true. 1 Link to comment
tschu Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 "but what's one measly life compared with an eternity getting raped with satan's fiery penis?" 2 Link to comment
Scratchtown Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 I actually loathe the Christian argument of, "oh if we're right then good for us but if we're wrong then who cares we all end up the same right? That implies that following Jesus didn't cost you anything, and Paul has some choice words for that kind of 'faith'. And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain. We are even found to be misrepresenting God, because we testified about God that he raised Christ, whom he did not raise if it is true that the dead are not raised. For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins. (1 Corinthians 15:14-17 ESV) In other words, if you are doing the Christian thing the right way, and it turns out to be a lie, then you have wasted your life. If you bet your entire life savings on the Huskers to win the national championship last year, and you turned out to be wrong, would you shrug it off? No you would be devastated and wrecked with regret because you gave all of yourself to something that was for naught. The same is true of Christianity, or at least, the same is supposed to be true. I'm not in any way disagreeing with this. But, by using Pascal's wager, while extremely flawed, is definitely an interesting question to pose to those who don't believe in a God. When taking on a christian apologetic argument or discussion. The Bible can't be used as a source of justification because both sides don't agree on its credibility. An apologetics Pastor that I know is very well verse in free will arguments, naturalism, etc...I need to do some studying up on his stuff. It's really interesting. Link to comment
Landlord Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 William Lane Craig is the first place you should stop. Dude can get pretty pretentious but he's also a well-oiled apologetics war machine. Link to comment
Scratchtown Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 William Lane Craig is the first place you should stop. Dude can get pretty pretentious but he's also a well-oiled apologetics war machine. The Pastor I know uses a lot of WLC's stuff. Link to comment
walksalone Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 I don't need a convoluted book, an eternal hell, or some long winded theological reason to tell me what my grandfather put rather succinctly.... "Treat people how you want to be treated" 4 Link to comment
knapplc Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 I don't need a convoluted book, an eternal hell, or some long winded theological reason to tell me what my grandfather put rather succinctly.... "Treat people how you want to be treated" My grandfather was a bit more blunt: "Right's right and wrong's a sh!t@ss." 1 Link to comment
sd'sker Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 what if believing in a christian god is the ultimate sin to whoever is the true god? you gotta worry about that, too, people. 2 Link to comment
NUance Posted June 5, 2014 Author Share Posted June 5, 2014 what if believing in a christian god is the ultimate sin to whoever is the true god? you gotta worry about that, too, people. I won't go so far as to say that Christianity is the one true religion and all other religions are invalid. But I know for certain that Christianity is a true path. You might wonder how I could know this. Here's how: LINK Link to comment
HUSKER FREAK Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Not sure if this is valid here but, I just saw a Texas Christian yelling profanities into his Glove Link to comment
Ulty Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Saw this George Carlin pic and wasn't sure which of the umpteen religion threads to paste it in. But Carlin always had a way of saying things. 1 Link to comment
walksalone Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Saw this George Carlin pic and wasn't sure which of the umpteen religion threads to paste it in. But Carlin always had a way of saying things. pretty much Link to comment
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