Tim Beck to Ohio State

[teachercd]

 

 

Haha, yep. Try telling Urban Meyer he's already trying hard enough at recruiting

Ha! Exactly...

This thread has taken a turn...for no reason at all. The hottest coach in America (not looks, that is Riley) just went out and hired a former NU coach...just be happy for the guy.

Who said I wasn't happy for him. Words cannot express how happy I am that Tim Beck was hired by Ohio St. Ohio St. is the national champion, they'll be fine with or without Beck. As I said, I don't think Beck will have much influence.

 

At least Zoogies had an answer to a simple freaking question. You've skirted around it for a whole 15 hours now.

 

Ridiculous.

 

I agree

[True2tRA]

 

 

I don't know if you have ever been on a coaching staff(trust me, if you have not, it makes no difference at all)...I have been on them in different ways (insert sex joke here) I have been on as a new dork (old term for penis from the movie Porky's) where I did not know a thing, I have been on them as a guy with experience, I have been on them as a guy with lots of experience but having to take on knew duties and I have been the HC that has had to dish out assignments.

 

You ask, what will he bring to the table...everything he has ever learned. I don't think you actually understand your question, I think you are either trying to rip on Beck or you are claiming that Meyer knows everything about offense. Maybe I am wrong and you are really just asking...

 

It is a new set of eyes, it is new experiences, it is old experiences...I mean, are you asking if he is going to invent some new forward pass? Probably not.

 

I have had guys on my sidelines that have had years and years of coaching experience that sucked...I have had guys that had never coached before, ever, and came up to me during a game and said "Hey, I think you should try this, I think it will hit" and it did.

 

Maybe my answer sucks...I have no idea...but you asked "why"...I had a coaching class I took...the teacher was stud coach at the high school ranks...he said "I paid 600 dollars for a coaching video on the run and shoot offense, in the end, I only used one play out of the entire video, but it worked, almost all the time and it was worth it, even though my wife thought I was crazy"

 

Sometimes what seems like a crappy investment to others is a great investment to someone else. So, what does he bring? I think he brings exactly what Meyer is looking for...Like you said, a coaching legend...a coaching legend went and hired him. Meyer doesn't strike me as a guy that is doing anyone a favor...for no reason. The last thing I would say is this, NU just hired a guy with a totally average record, but, we sure think he adds a ton of value.

 

Soooooo..... Michael Phelps should hire a 23 yr old lifeguard to watch him swim...??? new set of eyes???

I am glad you brought that up...there have been MANY MANY elite athletes that have hired coaches/trainers that were lesser athletes to help them out.

 

Tiger Woods has had many golf coaches that never won a tourney let alone majors, yet, they coach him.

Tons of the best tennis players in the world are coached by guys that never did "much" (Pat McEnroe is a big time coach)

Mike Riley is considered a QB guru yet I think he played DB in college

 

Do you think that Phelps swim coach has more gold medals than him? Or do you think he has way less.

 

Yes, a new set of eyes a new set of experiences. Why are you acting like Beck was hired from the communications department at AOL.

 

As far as what will he do? He will follow the practice plans, like all assistant coaches do, then he will break down film of practice, then he will decided what areas still need to be worked on.

Tiger Woods and many other athletes have hired lesser accomplished coaches. No kidding? Maybe that's because there's not a lot of people who have accomplished what Tiger Woods has? Just a thought.

 

Elite athletes hire specific coaches to help them improve in SPECIFIC areas of their game. Elite athletes understand that there's always an area to improve. They never settle. Always trying to get better. They understand that no matter how great they are, there's always room to grow.

 

Kind of like coach Riley and his coaches. I love how they immediately seek out the best of the best in Nebraska history. Build relationships and pick their brains. Any knowledge gained from a guy that has been there and done it can only be beneficial. Of course, I don't expect you to acknowledge that.

 

So as we dance in circles and I debunk every thing you say I again point out that Meyer is a legend, a masterful coach. Going to go down in history as one of best at what he does. Brilliant really. I love watching his offensive lines. So then we circle back AGAIN to me simply asking WHAT it is you feel Beck brings to the table. What ou think coach Beck does well that he will teach the Ohio St. offense? After all, a coach is a teacher first. You'd think you of all people would understand this, but.....

[sd'sker]

Coaching circles can be tight, which is why there is something to Urban Meyer shaking his head at Nebraska's moves.

good thing urb is not our ad then.

[True2tRA]

 

Coaching circles can be tight, which is why there is something to Urban Meyer shaking his head at Nebraska's moves.

good thing urb is not our ad then.

If Urban Meyer was our AD, then the Mike Riley hire would have been that HUGE SPLASH some of the nancies have been screaming about.

 

You see, Urban Meyers hires are immediately deemed great coaches.

[BigRedBuster]

I find it laughable that people's hatred of Beck makes them think they know more about what he does or doesn't bring to the table than Urban.

[True2tRA]

I find it laughable that people's hatred of Beck makes them think they know more about what he does or doesn't bring to the table than Urban.

Literally, who has said that?

 

Show me the quote where anyone has said they know better than Urban Meyer what Beck does or doesn't bring to the table?

[Guy Chamberlin]

^ at least you had an answer. Holy hell.

 

Tim Beck clearly called some plays you did not care for, but he led an offense that averaged 37 points and 450 yards with middling talent on the offensive line and a still evolving quarterback, who did indeed get better, especially in that last game where Tim Beck revamped the offensive playcalling in the only game he ever coached without Bo Pelini over his shoulder.

 

Given mercurial and oft-injured semi-dual threat quarterbacks during his entire tenure, and substandard oft-injured offensive lines, Tim Beck managed a run-first offense that often ranked in the Top 20, along with a generally improving passing game, to give Nebraska a balanced attack that earned the respect of most opposing Defensive Coordinators if not the Sunday Morning second-guessers on HuskerBoard, who always knew the offensive play call that totally would have fooled a professional DC.

 

Nebraska's historically bad defense often forced the offense to play out of a hole, and as often as they faltered, the offense also staged some pretty dramatic comebacks. In the last two seasons Tim Beck had one of the best defenses in the country -- Michigan State -- on its heels.

 

Turnovers, penalties and mental meltdowns were a problem on every side of the ball. Hard to pin that on an OC.

 

Ameer Abdullah's talents may appear obvious now, but no other major conference team wanted him as a featured running back. Under Tim Beck's offense he became the #2 career rusher in Nebraska's long, storied history. Rex Burkhead also flourished in an offense tailored to his skills.

 

That the same criticism leveled at Tim Beck was previously leveled at Shawn Watson suggests there was some fan scapegoating going on that didn't line up with the real problems and expectations on this team. Anyone watching the Oregon/Ohio State NC game would see a gameplan that could have been drawn up by Beck or Watson, executed by better athletes who were motivated by a head coach who knows how to keep his players calm and confident. Every team Nebraska wants to be will periodically throw the ball on first down, or on 3rd and 2. Every one runs an offense that would be criticized as multiple, and plays that would be dubbed "too cute" according to the criteria of this board.

 

Was that trick play where Peirson-El throws a touchdown to Tommy Armstong fun? I thought so. I sure enjoy watching it embedded in every post of yours.

 

I'm willing to give Tim Beck the same credit and blame I'd give any other OC on a 9 - 4 team with the #12 Scoring Offense, supported by the #59 Scoring Defense being micromanaged by a Head Coach on perennial Death Watch.

 

So let me throw it back to you.....what would ANY coach being hired at Ohio State be expected to teach the players, and what's on their resume that's so clearly better than Tim Beck?

[RunRedRun]

 

 

I don't know if you have ever been on a coaching staff(trust me, if you have not, it makes no difference at all)...I have been on them in different ways (insert sex joke here) I have been on as a new dork (old term for penis from the movie Porky's) where I did not know a thing, I have been on them as a guy with experience, I have been on them as a guy with lots of experience but having to take on knew duties and I have been the HC that has had to dish out assignments.

 

You ask, what will he bring to the table...everything he has ever learned. I don't think you actually understand your question, I think you are either trying to rip on Beck or you are claiming that Meyer knows everything about offense. Maybe I am wrong and you are really just asking...

 

It is a new set of eyes, it is new experiences, it is old experiences...I mean, are you asking if he is going to invent some new forward pass? Probably not.

 

I have had guys on my sidelines that have had years and years of coaching experience that sucked...I have had guys that had never coached before, ever, and came up to me during a game and said "Hey, I think you should try this, I think it will hit" and it did.

 

Maybe my answer sucks...I have no idea...but you asked "why"...I had a coaching class I took...the teacher was stud coach at the high school ranks...he said "I paid 600 dollars for a coaching video on the run and shoot offense, in the end, I only used one play out of the entire video, but it worked, almost all the time and it was worth it, even though my wife thought I was crazy"

 

Sometimes what seems like a crappy investment to others is a great investment to someone else. So, what does he bring? I think he brings exactly what Meyer is looking for...Like you said, a coaching legend...a coaching legend went and hired him. Meyer doesn't strike me as a guy that is doing anyone a favor...for no reason. The last thing I would say is this, NU just hired a guy with a totally average record, but, we sure think he adds a ton of value.

Soooooo..... Michael Phelps should hire a 23 yr old lifeguard to watch him swim...??? new set of eyes???

 

I am glad you brought that up...there have been MANY MANY elite athletes that have hired coaches/trainers that were lesser athletes to help them out.

 

Tiger Woods has had many golf coaches that never won a tourney let alone majors, yet, they coach him.

Tons of the best tennis players in the world are coached by guys that never did "much" (Pat McEnroe is a big time coach)

Mike Riley is considered a QB guru yet I think he played DB in college

 

Do you think that Phelps swim coach has more gold medals than him? Or do you think he has way less.

 

Yes, a new set of eyes a new set of experiences. Why are you acting like Beck was hired from the communications department at AOL.

 

As far as what will he do? He will follow the practice plans, like all assistant coaches do, then he will break down film of practice, then he will decided what areas still need to be worked on.

 

Tiger Woods swing coach was just that, a swing coach....under your analogy tiger woods swing coach should hire a putt-putt manager to get "new eyes" on him. I'm not acting like he is anything other then a 3rd rate OC which for some reason was hired on to a team that doesn't seem to have an offense issue.... PLEASE keep in mind, the only OC experience that beck had before his friend Bo GAVE him a position was 1 yr at Mississippi state..???

[True2tRA]

 

^ at least you had an answer. Holy hell.

 

Tim Beck clearly called some plays you did not care for, but he led an offense that averaged 37 points and 450 yards with middling talent on the offensive line and a still evolving quarterback, who did indeed get better, especially in that last game where Tim Beck revamped the offensive playcalling in the only game he ever coached without Bo Pelini over his shoulder.

 

Given mercurial and oft-injured semi-dual threat quarterbacks during his entire tenure, and substandard oft-injured offensive lines, Tim Beck managed a run-first offense that often ranked in the Top 20, along with a generally improving passing game, to give Nebraska a balanced attack that earned the respect of most opposing Defensive Coordinators if not the Sunday Morning second-guessers on HuskerBoard, who always knew the offensive play call that totally would have fooled a professional DC.

 

Nebraska's historically bad defense often forced the offense to play out of a hole, and as often as they faltered, the offense also staged some pretty dramatic comebacks. In the last two seasons Tim Beck had one of the best defenses in the country -- Michigan State -- on its heels.

 

Turnovers, penalties and mental meltdowns were a problem on every side of the ball. Hard to pin that on an OC.

 

Ameer Abdullah's talents may appear obvious now, but no other major conference team wanted him as a featured running back. Under Tim Beck's offense he became the #2 career rusher in Nebraska's long, storied history. Rex Burkhead also flourished in an offense tailored to his skills.

 

That the same criticism leveled at Tim Beck was previously leveled at Shawn Watson suggests there was some fan scapegoating going on that didn't line up with the real problems and expectations on this team. Anyone watching the Oregon/Ohio State NC game would see a gameplan that could have been drawn up by Beck or Watson, executed by better athletes who were motivated by a head coach who knows how to keep his players calm and confident. Every team Nebraska wants to be will periodically throw the ball on first down, or on 3rd and 2. Every one runs an offense that would be criticized as multiple, and plays that would be dubbed "too cute" according to the criteria of this board.

 

Was that trick play where Peirson-El throws a touchdown to Tommy Armstong fun? I thought so. I sure enjoy watching it embedded in every post of yours.

 

I'm willing to give Tim Beck the same credit and blame I'd give any other OC on a 9 - 4 team with the #12 Scoring Offense, supported by the #59 Scoring Defense being micromanaged by a Head Coach on perennial Death Watch.

 

So let me throw it back to you.....what would ANY coach being hired at Ohio State be expected to teach the players, and what's on their resume that's so clearly better than Tim Beck?

I agree. I love that trick play. Maybe that could have been your answer as to what he brings to the table? That was a brilliant play and he called it at the right time. The guys executed it perfectly.

 

What would ANY coach bring to the table? Well that's a pretty broad question but I guess I could pluck a few guys out of thin air to reference.

 

Guys like Malzahn in Auburn are great teachers. Creative in their use of H-backs, TE's and fullbacks and how their utilized in the run game. He uses is offensive linemen in pulling situations in his use of the zone read and stretch run game. Seems to be a good talent evaluator and recruiter.

 

Scott Frost and Helfrich are great teachers. They use their quarterbacks mobility very well. Tend to move the pocket on rollout plays. Teach their QB's to extend playsmei their legs. Take simple check downs and not always try to make the difficult throws. Creative in their use of multiple back sets. Also creative in using similar looks but minor tweaks to fool defenses. In other words, multiple plays but from similar formations. Very execution oriented and great at teaching a fast paced no huddle offense.

 

Bielema or Chryst are brilliant teachers of a more north and south run game. Great identifiers of offensive line talent clearly. They utilize pulling guards and tackles well. Their players play physical and aggressive. Very execution oriented. The blocking schemes seem effective and not overly complicated. Very good at implementing their systems.

 

I could probably keep going about the various strengths I see in other coaches. A lot of these guys have worked with other brilliant coaches. Extensive resume's and years of experience. Over time they've become known and proven for their certain style.

 

I guess I was just curious what those things were from the eyes of someone who thinks Beck is a good coach. As I said, I'm not convinced he is. Funny how this conversation has went. Pathetic really IMO. At least Zoogies mentioned Becks recruiting abilities and ties as a reason. I can accept that. I figured I'd get more answers from you or Teachercd, or now Bigredbuster and his made up accusations.....hilarious really.

 

Oh well, either way it a gorgeous day out, I've got some tacos to eat and I'm gonna carry on with my day. I think I've wasted plenty of time being reasonable and asking a reasonable question and getting nothing but "Beck hater" responses.

 

And again.....Meyer is a great coach.

[Dagerow]

 

I find it laughable that people's hatred of Beck makes them think they know more about what he does or doesn't bring to the table than Urban.

Literally, who has said that?

 

Show me the quote where anyone has said they know better than Urban Meyer what Beck does or doesn't bring to the table?

Have you read this thread. Probably more then half of the posts.

[funhusker]

 

 

 

How many more people will basically make a post that says that Meyer doesn't know what he is doing?

 

I wish that Porn Stars had message boards...so I could go post there and tell them how they are f****** all wrong.

 

 

You be pretty crazy to walk into OSU right now wanting to change anything.

 

Meyer may not be endorsing any or all playcalls, but he is endorsing Tim Beck as a football coach.

You're right. You'd have to be a moron to come in there and change things. Beck's imprint will be very minor IMO. Beck is there to get an education. What exactly is he going to teach? I'll wait for your answer to that. Please, don't be vague.

You'd also have to be a moron to pay a guy $550K so you can give him an education and get nothing in return.

So.........

Again I ask. Again.

What does he bring to the table?

What is Beck going to teach the Ohio St. Offense?

Really basic question. Really.

You've dodged it once now Guy Chamberlain. As for you Teachercd, I'm not sure if you're talking to me or not, but I literally said the opposite. Urban Meyer knows exactly what he's doing. He's already a coaching legend in my books. So again.

Again.

I ask.

What does Beck bring to the table? What will Beck do for that offense?

I'm trying not to be a prick (it's my nature). I'd love to hear what both of your answers are. Your so adamant about this yet, I see no response to the question. Why?

True, the ball is not in my court on this. So I'm not dodging anything.

 

Tim Beck will bring to the table his coaching experience, and impart it to the Ohio State offense under the watchful eye of Urban Meyer and others.

 

Just like any other coach Urban Meyer could have hired, but didn't.

 

Tim Beck will not be imparting his coaching experience under the watchful eye of Bo Pelini.

 

Maybe that means something. Maybe not.

 

But at some point you gotta consider the possibility that Urban Meyer knows more about football coaching than you do.

Consider it?

 

What in the hell is happening here? I've ACKNOWLEDGED IT repeatedly.

 

I've literally called the guy a legend! Holy crap. The man wins national championships everywhere he goes. What more can I say?

 

I simply asked what does Tim Beck bring to the Ohio St. offense? What will he teach the offensive players? What skills do you believe he brings to the job?

 

 

I've given atleast 20 reasons why I don't think Beck brings anything to that job. I'm just asking why you guys think Meyer made the right hire?

 

Is the answer seriously because you think Meyer is a good coach? Ok.....we agree. So what makes Beck a good coach? What does he bring to Ohio States offense?

 

 

 

 

 

I find it laughable that people's hatred of Beck makes them think they know more about what he does or doesn't bring to the table than Urban.

Literally, who has said that?

 

Show me the quote where anyone has said they know better than Urban Meyer what Beck does or doesn't bring to the table?

Have you read this thread. Probably more then half of the posts.

 

You apparently gave us 20 of them True...

[teachercd]

 

 

 

I don't know if you have ever been on a coaching staff(trust me, if you have not, it makes no difference at all)...I have been on them in different ways (insert sex joke here) I have been on as a new dork (old term for penis from the movie Porky's) where I did not know a thing, I have been on them as a guy with experience, I have been on them as a guy with lots of experience but having to take on knew duties and I have been the HC that has had to dish out assignments.

 

You ask, what will he bring to the table...everything he has ever learned. I don't think you actually understand your question, I think you are either trying to rip on Beck or you are claiming that Meyer knows everything about offense. Maybe I am wrong and you are really just asking...

 

It is a new set of eyes, it is new experiences, it is old experiences...I mean, are you asking if he is going to invent some new forward pass? Probably not.

 

I have had guys on my sidelines that have had years and years of coaching experience that sucked...I have had guys that had never coached before, ever, and came up to me during a game and said "Hey, I think you should try this, I think it will hit" and it did.

 

Maybe my answer sucks...I have no idea...but you asked "why"...I had a coaching class I took...the teacher was stud coach at the high school ranks...he said "I paid 600 dollars for a coaching video on the run and shoot offense, in the end, I only used one play out of the entire video, but it worked, almost all the time and it was worth it, even though my wife thought I was crazy"

 

Sometimes what seems like a crappy investment to others is a great investment to someone else. So, what does he bring? I think he brings exactly what Meyer is looking for...Like you said, a coaching legend...a coaching legend went and hired him. Meyer doesn't strike me as a guy that is doing anyone a favor...for no reason. The last thing I would say is this, NU just hired a guy with a totally average record, but, we sure think he adds a ton of value.

Soooooo..... Michael Phelps should hire a 23 yr old lifeguard to watch him swim...??? new set of eyes???

 

I am glad you brought that up...there have been MANY MANY elite athletes that have hired coaches/trainers that were lesser athletes to help them out.

 

Tiger Woods has had many golf coaches that never won a tourney let alone majors, yet, they coach him.

Tons of the best tennis players in the world are coached by guys that never did "much" (Pat McEnroe is a big time coach)

Mike Riley is considered a QB guru yet I think he played DB in college

 

Do you think that Phelps swim coach has more gold medals than him? Or do you think he has way less.

 

Yes, a new set of eyes a new set of experiences. Why are you acting like Beck was hired from the communications department at AOL.

 

As far as what will he do? He will follow the practice plans, like all assistant coaches do, then he will break down film of practice, then he will decided what areas still need to be worked on.

 

Tiger Woods swing coach was just that, a swing coach....under your analogy tiger woods swing coach should hire a putt-putt manager to get "new eyes" on him. I'm not acting like he is anything other then a 3rd rate OC which for some reason was hired on to a team that doesn't seem to have an offense issue.... PLEASE keep in mind, the only OC experience that beck had before his friend Bo GAVE him a position was 1 yr at Mississippi state..???

 

You are right

[lo country]

Maybe Beck succeeds because of Urban. Maybe he failed because of Bo. Who cares. IMO, his inept play calling cost us more than he won. Never cared for him.

 

The coaching landscape is filled with "great hires" who have been fired. As far as Beck and his awesomeness at KU, he was the passing game coordinator. He will be the co-oc at OSU. Urban didn't give him the keys to the castle. Having the talent of OSU (68% blue choppers) vs NU and our 30% would and can make any oc look solid. Their OL compared to ours........guys on this board could have success there with the talent. Not to mention the coaching genius (and support) of Urban vs the Genius of Bo.

 

So if Urban is a genius and knows talent, then why doesn't Bo get a big huge shout out because he spotted this awesome talent first..... Urban a genius for hiring him and Bo, IMO, fired for keeping him....... So is Bo smarter than Urban...........

[zoogs]

Beck was a great hire on Bo's initial staff. So Bo should get a shout out for that one.

[Guy Chamberlin]

I figured I'd get more answers from you or Teachercd, or now Bigredbuster and his made up accusations.....hilarious really.

I think I've wasted plenty of time being reasonable and asking a reasonable question and getting nothing but "Beck hater" responses.

 

 

Wait. My last answer wasn't long and specific enough?

 

Do I need to to say "Tim Beck will bring his intimate knowledge of the diamond formation and Little Debbie Snack Cakes for each player?