Pre-Season AP Poll

[Redux]

To expand. I think logically it should have been

1. FSU

2. OREGON (they avenged their only loss, no one else did)

3. Bama

4. Baylor. (Loss to west VA better than osu's VA tech)

TCU should have never been ahead of Baylor due to head to head. Ohio state had the worst loss of anyone and just lost a starting qb.

To me the playoff failed in the selection process last year.

Nobody outside of Tallahassee should think FSU was worthy of the #1 seed. So many close calls, their body of work was more luck based than determined. Sure they were unbeaten, but honestly, if they hadn't been defending national champs they could have easily found themselves 4th or outside at 5th.

 

The comittee got it right on the money I think. Sure TCU or Baylor could have been in. But you cant dump unbeaten FSU, and obviously Ohio State deserved to be there. The SEC champ is a lock no matter what, and Oregon was a media darling. The comittee chose wisely. They probably didn't want to vote FSU in and rightfully so. But leaving out an undefeated defending champion was NOT an option. It would have been viewed as a complete failure in its first year. They made the smart move. They showed that winning games is important, that winning your conference is important and your body of work is important. The Texas twins need to cry to their conference, not the committee.

[The Dude]

The Big XII is at a disadvantage because they don't play a championship game. Their only hope is to have a team finish undefeated, or at least with a better record than one of the other P5 champions. If Ohio State was a 2-loss team, then you can make a case for Baylor.

 

That extra playoff game the ACC, Big Ten, SEC and PAC all play is pretty impossible to overlook.

[Moiraine]

To expand. I think logically it should have been

 

1. FSU

2. OREGON (they avenged their only loss, no one else did)

3. Bama

4. Baylor. (Loss to west VA better than osu's VA tech)

 

That's not what logic means.

[Scratchtown]

 

 

To expand. I think logically it should have been

 

1. FSU

2. OREGON (they avenged their only loss, no one else did)

3. Bama

4. Baylor. (Loss to west VA better than osu's VA tech)

That's not what logic means.

Good thing I don't care

[Scratchtown]

The Big XII is at a disadvantage because they don't play a championship game. Their only hope is to have a team finish undefeated, or at least with a better record than one of the other P5 champions. If Ohio State was a 2-loss team, then you can make a case for Baylor.

 

That extra playoff game the ACC, Big Ten, SEC and PAC all play is pretty impossible to overlook.

It's not an extra playoff game. Cripes. The ONLY conference that has legitimacy to its schedule is the Pac12, right now. The champ plays 10 conference games.

 

Big 12 plays 9, big ten champ plays 9....soon to be 10. Sec champ plays 9, and the ACC champ plays 9.

 

Why is it just because of the setting, that they pass up the big12? Makes no sense.

 

Also, people stop calling FSU lucky. Good grief. It's called resilience. I freaking hate FSU but damn. It's not luck when you make plays you need to, to win ball games

[The Dude]

It's a postseason game to determine a champion. A playoff is exactly what it is.

[The Dude]

Why is it just because of the setting, that they pass up the big12?

It's because all the champs have to play 12 regular season games, just like the Big XII, but they also have to win an extra playoff game, unlike the Big XII.

[BigRedBuster]

 

Why is it just because of the setting, that they pass up the big12?

It's because all the champs have to play 12 regular season games, just like the Big XII, but they also have to play an extra playoff game, unlike the Big XII.

 

And...yes....it is a playoff game....as it should be.

[Scratchtown]

 

Why is it just because of the setting, that they pass up the big12?

It's because all the champs have to play 12 regular season games, just like the Big XII, but they also have to win an extra playoff game, unlike the Big XII.

Lol wow.

 

So people say that FSU played no one and and cite that as being why they didn't deserve in even though they won all their games.

 

Meanwhile we are saying the big12 should be penalized for not having a championship game, played 9 conference games, and most played a power 5 ooc too.

 

Basically were giving benefits to conferences that play 8 games within its league, get a 9 game becuz of a title game, and have an extra "patsy" on the schedule.

 

Literally everything is essentially equal except the big 10, acc, and sec play an extra "southern miss".

 

That's the difference. Just because it's called a championship game shouldn't matter when it comes to the comparables.

[ScottyIce]

Why isn't Youngstown State in the top 10 for this poll!?

[The Dude]

 

 

Why is it just because of the setting, that they pass up the big12?

It's because all the champs have to play 12 regular season games, just like the Big XII, but they also have to win an extra playoff game, unlike the Big XII.

Lol wow.

So people say that FSU played no one and and cite that as being why they didn't deserve in even though they won all their games.

Meanwhile we are saying the big12 should be penalized for not having a championship game, played 9 conference games, and most played a power 5 ooc too.

Basically were giving benefits to conferences that play 8 games within its league, get a 9 game becuz of a title game, and have an extra "patsy" on the schedule.

Literally everything is essentially equal except the big 10, acc, and sec play an extra "southern miss".

That's the difference. Just because it's called a championship game shouldn't matter when it comes to the comparables.

I honestly don't see a coherent point in here. Are you saying you really don't know the difference between a 9th conference game in the regular season and a conference championship game?

 

Whether or not we think the Big XII should be penalized for not having that playoff game, that's the reality of the situation. It really happened.

[Scratchtown]

 

 

 

Why is it just because of the setting, that they pass up the big12?

It's because all the champs have to play 12 regular season games, just like the Big XII, but they also have to win an extra playoff game, unlike the Big XII.

Lol wow.

So people say that FSU played no one and and cite that as being why they didn't deserve in even though they won all their games.

Meanwhile we are saying the big12 should be penalized for not having a championship game, played 9 conference games, and most played a power 5 ooc too.

Basically were giving benefits to conferences that play 8 games within its league, get a 9 game becuz of a title game, and have an extra "patsy" on the schedule.

Literally everything is essentially equal except the big 10, acc, and sec play an extra "southern miss".

That's the difference. Just because it's called a championship game shouldn't matter when it comes to the comparables.

I honestly don't see a coherent point in here. Are you saying you really don't know the difference between a 9th conference game in the regular season and a conference championship game?

 

Whether or not we think the Big XII should be penalized for not having that playoff game, that's the reality of the situation. It really happened.

 

 

 

It's completely over your head then. Can't explain it any better.

[Landlord]

Baylor's 3 OOC games were SMU, Northwestern State, and Buffalo.

 

TCU's 3 OOC games were Samford, Minnesota, and SMU.

 

They each played one extra conference game regular season, which you can't really say was against any ~certain~ team, but it could just as easily be an extra game against an Iowa State/Kansas as it could be an extra game against an Oklahoma/Kansas State.

 

Meanwhile, the B1G, SEC, and ACC champs all have to play their "extra conference game" in the conference championship against the best team in the conference besides themselves, as the last game of the season before bowls. #11 Wisconsin, #15 Missouri, and #12 Georgia Tech, respectively.

 

Sorry - a decided game against the best competition in your conference on the last week in a championship environment is not at all the same thing as an extra conference game in your schedule, imo. Too much room for an argument that that extra game isn't any tougher than a P5 or G5 OOC opponent.

[Scratchtown]

So you are saying keeping everything the same except playing the TCU/Baylor game at the end of the season instead of in the middle is what makes the difference? That is a dumb reason to pick a team vs another.

[The Dude]

Baylor's 3 OOC games were SMU, Northwestern State, and Buffalo.

 

TCU's 3 OOC games were Samford, Minnesota, and SMU.

 

They each played one extra conference game regular season, which you can't really say was against any ~certain~ team, but it could just as easily be an extra game against an Iowa State/Kansas as it could be an extra game against an Oklahoma/Kansas State.

 

Meanwhile, the B1G, SEC, and ACC champs all have to play their "extra conference game" in the conference championship against the best team in the conference besides themselves, as the last game of the season before bowls. #11 Wisconsin, #15 Missouri, and #12 Georgia Tech, respectively.

 

Sorry - a decided game against the best competition in your conference on the last week in a championship environment is not at all the same thing as an extra conference game in your schedule, imo. Too much room for an argument that that extra game isn't any tougher than a P5 or G5 OOC opponent.

Not only that, it's literally a playoff game. The stakes are inherantly higher than a regular season game.

 

You can lose that 9th conference game and still win the conference.