Planned Parenthood late term fetal parts sale scandal

[HuskerNation1]

 

You answered my question and believe that late-term abortion is an acceptable practice.

If by late term you mean 20 weeks, yes. Yes I do. Unequivocally.

 

If you feel something is wrong morally, you don't make the statement that "people can follow their own beliefs" and allow that practice to happen.

That's awfully totalitarian of you. Apparently you don't believe in freedom and personal responsibility.

 

 

Well, at least you are honestly admitting you subscribe to the killing of late-term fetuses that in most cases today can survive outside the womb.

[HuskerNation1]

 

 

Umm...the federal investigation is really just getting started on this topic. Here is just one snippet of what's been uncovered.

 

http://www.operationrescue.org/archives/is-planned-parenthood-committing-murder-a-tale-of-four-babies/

 

What is going to happen is that several employees from PP that have witnessed the abortions that PP and the left claim do not happen in their practice are actually happening. This testimony will refute the talking points on the left that all of these claims are simply made up.

Do you even read the links that you post before you post them?

 

 

It also helps to pick a less biased source.

 

 

Well for starters, this is a polarizing topic, so any source on this subject will come in with a bias. At the end of the day, the investigation will play out, and if it turns out that PP is not committing abortions at their facilities as they claim, and they are not dismembering babies that are still breathing, or discussing what to do with the parts and who might want them, then the liberal left has a right to be upset about these videos and the investigation. If the investigation and employees testimony states otherwise, then those fighting in the pro-life movement will be vindicated.

[carlfense]

Well, at least you are honestly admitting you subscribe to the killing of late-term fetuses that in most cases today can survive outside the womb.

Is it difficult for you to continue claiming this given what you were forced to admit a few posts ago?

[Malth]

 

 

 

 

 

Umm...the federal investigation is really just getting started on this topic. Here is just one snippet of what's been uncovered.

 

http://www.operationrescue.org/archives/is-planned-parenthood-committing-murder-a-tale-of-four-babies/

 

What is going to happen is that several employees from PP that have witnessed the abortions that PP and the left claim do not happen in their practice are actually happening. This testimony will refute the talking points on the left that all of these claims are simply made up.

Do you even read the links that you post before you post them?

It also helps to pick a less biased source.

Well for starters, this is a polarizing topic, so any source on this subject will come in with a bias. At the end of the day, the investigation will play out, and if it turns out that PP is not committing abortions at their facilities as they claim, and they are not dismembering babies that are still breathing, or discussing what to do with the parts and who might want them, then the liberal left has a right to be upset about these videos and the investigation. If the investigation and employees testimony states otherwise, then those fighting in the pro-life movement will be vindicated.

No one is disputing that they are discussing what to do with the "parts", as fetal tissue is used for research purposes. And there have already been investigations which have found PP doing nothing wrong. These cheap witch hunts on PP is all they have.

[funhusker]

 

Well, at least you are honestly admitting you subscribe to the killing of late-term fetuses that in most cases today can survive outside the womb.

Is it difficult for you to continue claiming this given what you were forced to admit a few posts ago?

 

bnilhome,

 

My wife the NICU (Neo-natal Intensive Care Unit) nurse strongly disapproves of your use of the words "most cases"....

 

Unless you would like to add more than a calender month to that "20 weeks" to get it to 25 weeks?

 

Even then, "life" is 50/50.

[Hedley Lamarr]

 

 

 

 

At what point do we address the real problem? Unsafe SEX. If you are willing to risk the chance of becoming pregnant should you not have to deal with what happens when you do? Obviously extremes exist such as rape. However the vast majority of abortions are for women who willfully engaged in SEX with another. Once you are pregnant you shouldn't have the right to take a life because you don't want to deal with the repercussions of your actions.

Good point Hedley. In addition to killing a baby, there is the other argument that individuals shoudl take personal responsibility for their actions, and that its not ok to kill a life for a roll in the hay with someone you don't know and love.

So pregnancy as punishment? Forced birth because someone had unprotected sex is seriously some sort of medieval belief.

 

People have abortions for all sorts of reasons. You act like all of them are just "oops! teehee!" or something. How about if some sort of deformity develops? Or their socioeconomic standing suddenly changes? Or dad decides to skip town? What if the condom broke or it just happened to be that .1% of the time the pill didn't do its job? You don't know these people's situations, and it's frankly none of your business. And a clump of cells is no more a person than an egg is a chicken.

 

 

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If you want to reduce abortions, support planned parenthood. Providing affordable and easy to access family planning does more to reduce unwanted pregnancies than anything else. This witch hunt against PP needs to stop.

Glad to know you feel there are acceptable reasons to kill innocent babies. Guess you were one of the lucky ones. Go thank mom and dad for sparing you.

[TGHusker]

 

 

 

At what point do we address the real problem? Unsafe SEX. If you are willing to risk the chance of becoming pregnant should you not have to deal with what happens when you do? Obviously extremes exist such as rape. However the vast majority of abortions are for women who willfully engaged in SEX with another. Once you are pregnant you shouldn't have the right to take a life because you don't want to deal with the repercussions of your actions.

Good point Hedley. In addition to killing a baby, there is the other argument that individuals shoudl take personal responsibility for their actions, and that its not ok to kill a life for a roll in the hay with someone you don't know and love.

So pregnancy as punishment? Forced birth because someone had unprotected sex is seriously some sort of medieval belief.

 

People have abortions for all sorts of reasons. You act like all of them are just "oops! teehee!" or something. How about if some sort of deformity develops? Or their socioeconomic standing suddenly changes? Or dad decides to skip town? What if the condom broke or it just happened to be that .1% of the time the pill didn't do its job? You don't know these people's situations, and it's frankly none of your business. And a clump of cells is no more a person than an egg is a chicken.

 

 

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If you want to reduce abortions, support planned parenthood. Providing affordable and easy to access family planning does more to reduce unwanted pregnancies than anything else. This witch hunt against PP needs to stop.

Glad to know you feel there are acceptable reasons to kill innocent babies. Guess you were one of the lucky ones. Go thank mom and dad for sparing you.

 

The culture of death in full bloom. There are many family planning organizations in every community that do the work that PP does yet wtout providing abortions. PP has to 'outsource' some of its 'services' to those organizations - like mammograms. Congress can redirect the PP funding to these other organizations and not hurt women's health concerns at all.

[TGHusker]

Mods - is there a way to move the PP discussion to another thread so that this thread can move back to the topic. It is understandable that a broad topic thread like this will go down many rabbit trials but the PP discussion needs a thread of its own.

[NUance]

Mods - is there a way to move the PP discussion to another thread so that this thread can move back to the topic. It is understandable that a broad topic thread like this will go down many rabbit trials but the PP discussion needs a thread of its own.

 

Done. The two topics are divided into their own threads. I think I got them all. But they were spread across a couple pages, so I may have missed one or two.

[Landlord]

[TGHusker]

 

Mods - is there a way to move the PP discussion to another thread so that this thread can move back to the topic. It is understandable that a broad topic thread like this will go down many rabbit trials but the PP discussion needs a thread of its own.

 

Done. The two topics are divided into their own threads. I think I got them all. But they were spread across a couple pages, so I may have missed one or two.

 

Thanks NUance

[Hedley Lamarr]

 

 

 

 

At what point do we address the real problem? Unsafe SEX. If you are willing to risk the chance of becoming pregnant should you not have to deal with what happens when you do? Obviously extremes exist such as rape. However the vast majority of abortions are for women who willfully engaged in SEX with another. Once you are pregnant you shouldn't have the right to take a life because you don't want to deal with the repercussions of your actions.

Good point Hedley. In addition to killing a baby, there is the other argument that individuals shoudl take personal responsibility for their actions, and that its not ok to kill a life for a roll in the hay with someone you don't know and love.

So pregnancy as punishment? Forced birth because someone had unprotected sex is seriously some sort of medieval belief.

 

People have abortions for all sorts of reasons. You act like all of them are just "oops! teehee!" or something. How about if some sort of deformity develops? Or their socioeconomic standing suddenly changes? Or dad decides to skip town? What if the condom broke or it just happened to be that .1% of the time the pill didn't do its job? You don't know these people's situations, and it's frankly none of your business. And a clump of cells is no more a person than an egg is a chicken.

 

 

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If you want to reduce abortions, support planned parenthood. Providing affordable and easy to access family planning does more to reduce unwanted pregnancies than anything else. This witch hunt against PP needs to stop.

Do you have any children? Curious

 

Also having a baby isnt a "punishment" it is what happens when you engage in sex. If you are willing to have sex you should be prepared to have a child. It isn't punishment it is cause and effect.

[NUance]

 

 

. . . even though science shows a 20-month old fetus can survive and live a full life?

IT CAN?! OH MY GOD.

 

If you meant a 20 week fetus could you please show me an example where a 20 week fetus survived and lived a full life?

 

 

It depends on how you calculate the gestational age. The one in the following link is 21 weeks, five days, using the LMP method of calculating gestational age: LINK But if you consider its post-fertilization age the same fetus would be around 19 weeks, five days. Here's a Washington Post article in which they discuss the different ways to calculate gestational age: LINK

[schriznoeder]

Wow, yesterday's congressional "hearing" was a complete sh*t show. Rep. Gerry Connolly (D-VA) summed it up pretty well: "My colleagues like to say there's no war on women. Look at how you've been treated as a witness. Intimidation. Talking over. Interrupting. Cutting off sentences. Criticizing you because of your salary. How dare you! Who do you think you are, making a professional salary as the head of a premier national organization and daring to actually make decisions as the head of that organization? Lord Almighty. What's America coming to?"

 

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2015/09/29/house_committee_hearing_on_planned_parenthood_every_single_time_a_republican.html

[HuskerNation1]

Wow, yesterday's congressional "hearing" was a complete sh*t show. Rep. Gerry Connolly (D-VA) summed it up pretty well: "My colleagues like to say there's no war on women. Look at how you've been treated as a witness. Intimidation. Talking over. Interrupting. Cutting off sentences. Criticizing you because of your salary. How dare you! Who do you think you are, making a professional salary as the head of a premier national organization and daring to actually make decisions as the head of that organization? Lord Almighty. What's America coming to?"

 

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2015/09/29/house_committee_hearing_on_planned_parenthood_every_single_time_a_republican.html

 

Wow, quoting slate, one of the originators of the faux "War on Women" argument. I wonder why liberal protesters crashed a Carly Fiorina event, trying to shout over her, and began throwing condoms and her supporters. Talk about a War on Women. Democrats have successfully used the faux war on women argument in recent elections, and they fear Fiorina big time as she is smart, competent, and articulate, and they are trying to throw everything possible at her now, claiming she lies, was a terrible CEO, doesn't understand women's issues, married her way into high positions, etc... What's funny is that PP is not coming out and saying they are not performing what Fiorina described in the debate...they are just saying that is not their video. When pressed, they are skirting around whether they have performed such abortions, and you know there are whistleblowers waiting out there to testify at some point between now and November, 2016.