Moiraine Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Western news sources criticizing Putin? Color me shocked! I don't think that Obama should be like Putin, but he should likely stay out of the way of the people who have a better idea of who the real bad guys are. So they're making up the freedom of the press problems in Russia? I know several Russians who have moved here and have told me how it is there. Also, the 2nd link I showed has the U.S. ranked 23rd. Link to comment
Bigred_inSD Posted November 17, 2015 Author Share Posted November 17, 2015 If you want to see how bad the Russian media is simply look up any bad press they received from every media outlet, then look at their spin ( the downed Malaysian airliner is a good start) also Putin won 117% or something similar to that in one district for the last election. That is popularity!! Link to comment
Creighton Duke Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Western news sources criticizing Putin? Color me shocked! I don't think that Obama should be like Putin, but he should likely stay out of the way of the people who have a better idea of who the real bad guys are. So they're making up the freedom of the press problems in Russia? I know several Russians who have moved here and have told me how it is there. Also, the 2nd link I showed has the U.S. ranked 23rd. There are definitely differences in the way that Putin handles his country than what is deemed acceptable in the West and there are definitely corruption problems. My point was that Putin's support is something that Western politicians can only dream of and that what Eastern and Western cultures consider to be the traits of a strong leader are different. Link to comment
Army_Allen Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 So you support socialism? Vote for Bernie! Link to comment
Moiraine Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Western news sources criticizing Putin? Color me shocked! I don't think that Obama should be like Putin, but he should likely stay out of the way of the people who have a better idea of who the real bad guys are. So they're making up the freedom of the press problems in Russia? I know several Russians who have moved here and have told me how it is there. Also, the 2nd link I showed has the U.S. ranked 23rd. There are definitely differences in the way that Putin handles his country than what is deemed acceptable in the West and there are definitely corruption problems. My point was that Putin's support is something that Western politicians can only dream of and that what Eastern and Western cultures consider to be the traits of a strong leader are different. My point was he does not have the kind of support you're saying he does. It's all a fantasy. When you destroy dissenting opinions it's funny how everyone suddenly seems to like you. Reports of his approval are likely made up as well. 3 Link to comment
Bigred_inSD Posted November 17, 2015 Author Share Posted November 17, 2015 Western news sources criticizing Putin? Color me shocked! I don't think that Obama should be like Putin, but he should likely stay out of the way of the people who have a better idea of who the real bad guys are. So they're making up the freedom of the press problems in Russia? I know several Russians who have moved here and have told me how it is there. Also, the 2nd link I showed has the U.S. ranked 23rd. There are definitely differences in the way that Putin handles his country than what is deemed acceptable in the West and there are definitely corruption problems. My point was that Putin's support is something that Western politicians can only dream of and that what Eastern and Western cultures consider to be the traits of a strong leader are different. My point was he does not have the kind of support you're saying he does. It's all a fantasy. When you destroy dissenting opinions it's funny how everyone suddenly seems to like you. Reports of his approval are likely made up as well. Exactly, let's say next Friday someone walks into your house and puts a gun to your families head and says, "support iowa or I pull the trigger." What you going to do? Link to comment
Creighton Duke Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Western news sources criticizing Putin? Color me shocked! I don't think that Obama should be like Putin, but he should likely stay out of the way of the people who have a better idea of who the real bad guys are. So they're making up the freedom of the press problems in Russia? I know several Russians who have moved here and have told me how it is there. Also, the 2nd link I showed has the U.S. ranked 23rd. There are definitely differences in the way that Putin handles his country than what is deemed acceptable in the West and there are definitely corruption problems. My point was that Putin's support is something that Western politicians can only dream of and that what Eastern and Western cultures consider to be the traits of a strong leader are different. My point was he does not have the kind of support you're saying he does. It's all a fantasy. When you destroy dissenting opinions it's funny how everyone suddenly seems to like you. Reports of his approval are likely made up as well. Putting a muzzle on a number of media outlets doesn't translate to him not having very high support or approval. I read somewhere on this board (maybe 500 times?) that correlation doesn't mean...hmmm...let me think about it for a while. Why are the reports likely made up? Just because the regimes clamps down on media that is deemed to be destructive to operations and values of the country? This is derailing the thread, though. Anyone is free to get things back on track. Link to comment
knapplc Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 There are none so blind as those who will not see. - Stevie Wonder 2 Link to comment
Moiraine Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Western news sources criticizing Putin? Color me shocked! I don't think that Obama should be like Putin, but he should likely stay out of the way of the people who have a better idea of who the real bad guys are. So they're making up the freedom of the press problems in Russia? I know several Russians who have moved here and have told me how it is there. Also, the 2nd link I showed has the U.S. ranked 23rd. There are definitely differences in the way that Putin handles his country than what is deemed acceptable in the West and there are definitely corruption problems. My point was that Putin's support is something that Western politicians can only dream of and that what Eastern and Western cultures consider to be the traits of a strong leader are different. My point was he does not have the kind of support you're saying he does. It's all a fantasy. When you destroy dissenting opinions it's funny how everyone suddenly seems to like you. Reports of his approval are likely made up as well. Putting a muzzle on a number of media outlets doesn't translate to him not having very high support or approval. I read somewhere on this board (maybe 500 times?) that correlation doesn't mean...hmmm...let me think about it for a while. Why are the reports likely made up? Just because the regimes clamps down on media that is deemed to be destructive to operations and values of the country? This is derailing the thread, though. Anyone is free to get things back on track. The more dissenting opinions you shut up or murder, the higher your approval rating will be. This shouldn't be as hard to see as you're making it. It's pretty clear from your recent statements that you are anti democracy. They weren't shut down because they were destructive to Russian values and operations. They were shut down because they were anti Putin. How would you like it if anyone who talked bad about Obama was put out of business or assassinated? I guarantee you his approval rating would skyrocket though. 2 Link to comment
Creighton Duke Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 ^^^ That quote sums this thread up PERFECTLY, actually. Thanks for posting! EDIT: Talking about Knapp's Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 I am perfectly fine with refugees coming to America. That is what this country was built on and what makes us great. However, somehow, there needs to be some type of due diligence to figure out if these people are Muslim extremists wanting to do harm here. I actually was thinking about this last night. A situation like what we had with Ellis Island would work. Bring them here, take care of them, feed them, shelter them, give them medical treatment..etc. But, keep them separate until some type of further investigation can be done. When people are (reasonably) found to be true refugees and safe, allow them in. Link to comment
BIGREDIOWAN Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 There are none so blind as those who will not see. - Stevie Wonder It could be argued that if people think there is nothing wrong with bringing refugees over here without figuring out who they are first could fall into the same category. Blindly trusting this situation could result in more attacks here. How would those of you feel, that support bringing the refugees here, if an attack did occur, and it was found out they were part of the refugees that came over here? I don't support the idea and I see it from my perspective as I'm the one seeing the problem along with those who don't support this move. The ones that are blind are the ones who support it in my opinion. My bleeding heart ran out a long time ago considering all the issues we're facing as a country. No, I'm not going to break those down, but some of the moves we've made as a country are pretty concerning. Link to comment
Moiraine Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 ^^^ That quote sums this thread up PERFECTLY, actually. Thanks for posting! You are being incredibly obtuse about this. The article in the Migrant topic would be against the law if this were Russia. You called me ignorant in that thread for talking about the article being biased. Imagine how ignorant we would all be if our news was filtered to only say good things about the president. No more badmouthing Obama. Link to comment
Moiraine Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Is anyone actually saying we should just let refugees in without figuring out who they are? I really doubt that was ever the plan. Link to comment
Creighton Duke Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Western news sources criticizing Putin? Color me shocked! I don't think that Obama should be like Putin, but he should likely stay out of the way of the people who have a better idea of who the real bad guys are. So they're making up the freedom of the press problems in Russia? I know several Russians who have moved here and have told me how it is there. Also, the 2nd link I showed has the U.S. ranked 23rd. There are definitely differences in the way that Putin handles his country than what is deemed acceptable in the West and there are definitely corruption problems. My point was that Putin's support is something that Western politicians can only dream of and that what Eastern and Western cultures consider to be the traits of a strong leader are different. My point was he does not have the kind of support you're saying he does. It's all a fantasy. When you destroy dissenting opinions it's funny how everyone suddenly seems to like you. Reports of his approval are likely made up as well. Putting a muzzle on a number of media outlets doesn't translate to him not having very high support or approval. I read somewhere on this board (maybe 500 times?) that correlation doesn't mean...hmmm...let me think about it for a while. Why are the reports likely made up? Just because the regimes clamps down on media that is deemed to be destructive to operations and values of the country? This is derailing the thread, though. Anyone is free to get things back on track. The more dissenting opinions you shut up or murder, the higher your approval rating will be. This shouldn't be as hard to see as you're making it. It's pretty clear from your recent statements that you are anti democracy. They weren't shut down because they were destructive to Russian values and operations. They were shut down because they were anti Putin. How would you like it if anyone who talked bad about Obama was put out of business or assassinated? I guarantee you his approval rating would skyrocket though. You're incorrect, to a degree regarding the reasons for the media to be shut down. As I said earlier, it comes down to a misunderstanding of most of the West of the values and the general culture of many Eastern peoples. It is interesting, in light of this topic (the Paris attacks, remember?) how people are quick to shame those who would speak out about the cultural differences of the the areas/nations where the perpetrators of the crimes are from, yet it is perfectly acceptable to disparage the cultural differences of the "bad people" in "bad Russia". Regarding my being "anti democracy", this is true to some extent. There are some cultures that are unwilling to take on the responsibility that such a system requires and are unwilling to accept secularism. I don't think that democracy (or the more common republic) is compatible or the most effective form of government in these circumstances. Aristotle probably wasn't totally wrong...right? Link to comment
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