The General Election

HuskerShark · June 23, 2016

Oh absolutely. I can understand why someone wouldn't want to vote for Trump, though I might disagree with them on certain issues. But there is no conceivable reason or justification for voting for Hillary Rodham Clinton. Doing so is enabling corruption, greed, globalism, and yes, evil, in our government.

If Hillary indeed is the Democratic nominee, this presidential race ought to be between 2 people - Trump and Gary Johnson. I can understand voting for Johnson. But good Lord, people, DON'T VOTE FOR HILLARY!!!

BigRedBuster · June 23, 2016

Well....since I'm one who always is revealing what a total dip sh#t trump is, you must be talking about me.

I have said many times on here I will not i any way ne voting for hillary due to all the issues mentioned here.

The difference is this board doesn't have anyone coming on here with a total load of BS trying yo convince everyone she is the greatest person in the world and totally ignoring all those warts.

If someone on here wants to admit they think she is so great, I'll gladly have those conversations explaining why she isn't.

TGHusker · June 23, 2016

Were is Carl when you need him? :dunno

TGHusker · June 23, 2016

you know - I'm studying Johnson a bit more. Of course nothing says I have to vote for the top of the ticket. My hope is - Hillary the other shoe drops on Hillary and she is forced to get out - indictment. And there is a revolt at the rep convention and the delegates refuse to support trump on the 1st ballot. They take a mulligan and request a do over. Yes pretty fantasy land wished but one can only wish :frenchy :bang

HuskerShark · June 23, 2016

My comment is referring to the fact that in the Huskerboard poll, there are 18 PEOPLE who said they'd vote for Hillary Clinton if the election were held today... Talk about dipsh*ttery at its finest.

BigRedBuster · June 23, 2016

Well, I see voting for either Trump or Hillary as that way. Now, typically I don't use those terms when discussing other people's views on here. However, well......

HuskerShark · June 23, 2016

However you choose to see it, there are a lot of great reasons to vote for Trump, even while acknowledging his shortcomings (none of which ought to be deal breakers). That's not opinion, that's fact.

However, I've heard no one ever tell me anything positive that could possibly come out of a Hillary presidency. There are zero reasons to vote for her. Zero. And that's before we consider the fact that she is a criminal.

Like I said, if people choose to look into Johnson and vote for him, I can definitely understand that. But if someone wants to vote for Hillary, be prepared to come under heavy scrutiny based on the stakes that are presented.

funhusker · June 23, 2016

My vote for Hillary is a vote "against Trump".

Trump's "deal breakers" for me...

1. He will willingly and knowingly single out a religion and deprive them of their FIRST Amendment rights.

2. He will voluntarily commit non-debatable war crimes such as capturing and torturing the families of terrorists.

3. China has used him as an example of why democracy doesn't work and North Korea has endorsed his campaign.

4. He insists a "simple wall" will stop all immigration ills and he thinks the American public is naive enough to think Mexico will pay for it.

5. He has no filter. If he thinks it's okay to make insuations about the size of his penis during a Presidential debate, I have no reason to have faith in his private conversations with world leaders.

6. He thinks China created climate change. .

7. He thinks Obama isn't an American citizen, birth certificate be damned.

8. I could keep going...I wish I could find "deal breakers" in his policies, but we've yet to see them. Yes, he wants to cut taxes, but what programs will be up for sacrifice. Yes he wants to defeat ISIS, but how will he do more than is currently being done without boots on the ground. He said he wants to rebuild the infrastructure, how will this be paid for? Where does he stand on education?

Bottom line: many people, even Trump himself, has said a vote for Hillary is a vote for a third term for Obama. At this point, even though Obama's Presidency doesn't lack faults, I would not hesitate to take a third term of economic growth (albeit slow), aggressive assault on terrorist groups without "boots on the ground", and a hope that everyone, no matter their identity, will be able to have the freedom to pursue their dreams.

Hillary is not an ideal candidate because of the baggage she carries (whether she truly deserves it or not is a topic for another thread), Bernie was way to far left to be an ideal candidate. If either party would put up a "centrist" candidate I would have voted for them. Hell, I voted in the Republican primary to vote Kasich. If Kasich would have been the Republican nominee, I would have voted for him. As far as the duties of President and what the office can achieve, I believe Kasich and Clinton would be very similar. However, one would be much easier to stomach...

Danny Bateman · June 23, 2016

I'm probably the closest thing that you'll find to a fervent Hillary supporter on this board.

Even I am willing to admit to her numerous flaws-- she wasn't my first choice as a candidate, but she's who we put up. In spite of what you say, Sanders, while he was very interesting and refreshing, was the weaker candidate, and he lost accordingly. He wins on integrity, but not at all in experience and knowledge, and the primary polling reflected that. I'm sure we can talk all about the system being "rigged" and the corrupt superdelegates and whatever other garbage Trump peddles in his feckless, half-assed attempt to capitalize on disillusioned Sanders supporters, but he knew his weaknesses going in, and he lost.

If Idaho State got their tails whipped by the Huskers in a blowout, and spent the entirety of the second half complaining about how much better the Huskers players were than them, how biased the refs were, and how their FGs and TDs scored the same amount of points as the Huskers' put them at an inherent disadvantage... well, no sh#t. What would we call them? Sore losers. If Bernie has a legitimate beef, and in some cases I think he does, he should seek to try to reform the system now, not complain about it every step of the way and make it seem as if he was cheated out of the win. That's not the case; he lost, and he knew the rules from the outset. I will say that I believe Bernie's complaints even show his own biases, but I digress...

To continue to derp this nonsense about Sanders being the better candidate that was cheated is just not intellectually honest.

And y'all can hate on Clinton all you want. I understand your reasons for doing so, and I don't hold them against you. I think Trump is a really f'ing terrible candidate, and a lot of other people agree. But I understand your reasons for supporting him, and I don't try to fundamentally reduce his support to "There are zero reasons to vote for her and you're a fool to think there are." I'm not looking to belittle any Trump supporter. If you can't even understand why someone would vote for Clinton, you've been stuck in an echo chamber a little too long and need to go out and regather your bearings.

BigRedBuster · June 23, 2016

We are on page 20 of this thread along with the Republican debate thread and I fail to see anything remotely close to being labeled as "great reasons to vote for Trump".

Hillary is a slimy joke of a candidate that can't be trusted with ANYTHING let alone the White House.

However, Trump is absolutely not worthy of sitting in that chair. He is the farthest thing from someone I want representing me as an American in anyway shape of form.

zoogs · June 23, 2016

Hilary is a sane, smart, and capable center-left politician. The long running smear campaign is not surprising, but it's pretty hard to buy into all the vicious, hysterical characterizations. It's the freakout levied at Obama, turned towards someone who doesn't have birther/Muslim/Kenyan "vulnerabilities", but also doesn't have the advantages of being enormously charismatic, good looking, and male. In other words, you hardly need to be a racist birther to swallow the GOP attack vectors on Hilary. We have all never seen a woman president, and in high power in general it's a rarity.

Kasich is a sane, capable center right politician. Think we'd have been fine, and very, very status quo (in the good sense of stable, decent administration) with either.

The thing with Kasich is that, I do give him a lot of credit for being his own man, but nobody is not pulled and shaped by their Party. In Hillary's and Obama's case, that's for the better: who could have imagined the gay rights revolution in the candidate Obama days, but his administration has become a fierce champion of what's now mainstream progressivism. Similarly, who knew he'd be a late game Social Security champion. He has pushed the party and also has been pulled. And Hillary is being pulled to the left even by 2015 standards. This is not the Democratic Party of the 1990s, although it remains to be seen if Hillary will be a moderating force or if she'll hasten the tides.

Kasich, and any GOP person these days, have the Tea wing to placate. The good news I hope is that when this is all over, he will still be standing to help chart a GOP course back to sanity. America is best served when its parties have baseline sanity, and can at least push each other to higher competency. That isn't happening now and in the long term this is decay on all sides.

mrandyk · June 23, 2016

No great reasons to vote for Trump? Hang on, let me go find a YouTube video of an internet personality complaining about Hillary and have that be the solid evidence that you should vote for Trump instead.

HuskerNation1 · June 24, 2016

It's not just you BRB...i see quite a few on here that all they want to do is bash Trump rather than focus on the issues or focus on analyzing the race between Trump and Hillary. I am not in love with Trump either, but I think on most issues minus the Muslim ban he has the advantage over Hillary. I went through months in the primary process where I refused to let myself take him seriously as the next POTUS, but I came to a point where I realized it's really going to be him or Hillary (unless Hillary ends up in jail), so given those are the options, and no 3rd party candidate is actually going to win, we are left with covering the horse race between Trump and Hillary.

HuskerNation1 · June 24, 2016

I know I have provided some reasons in other threads, and I provided a list of 4 areas Obama has failed that I see Trump addressing and turning around. It was the list with ISIS being the #1 failure, and I put this out 4 days before the Orlando terror attack. The fact is that Obama and Hillary have failed miserably on the war on terrorism, and I don't see Trump putting up with that BS.

Second, I do think the borders are a huge issue both from a national security perspective, a crime perspective, and an economic security perspective with illegals feeding off of the US System. Perhaps he won't get the wall built, but I do see him making progress on this topic.

Third, I see Trump improving our standing in the world, both on the trade front as well as in how we approach our allies (Israel) and enemies (Iran, North Korea). Obama has failed in providing steadfast support for Israel, while at the same time treating Iran as though they are our next ally.

As for the rest, it's hard to say as I expect the financial markets to have a collapse at some point in the next 12-18 months. They are way over-inflated and do for a correction.

HuskerNation1 · June 24, 2016

There is no equivalency or comparison of Kasich with Hillary. That is perhaps the craziest post in this entire thread. The only Democrat who ran that is in the same model of Kasich is Jim Webb. Hillary bleeds deep blue, is an avid liar and has spent her entire life focused on doing what is needed to become POTUS. This whole "right wing conspiracy" narrative by her supporters is also old and stuck in the 90s. There is a reason she has an 80% untrustworthy rating, and why the world blew up under her watch. It's because she is not sane and competent in dealing with world issues or doing what is necessary to protect our data here at home (her violation of rules around her emails and servers). At my company she would have been fired long ago if it was determined she was sending work-related emails on a private server or email system.

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