The General Election

[Lil' Red]

 

 

 

 

 

 

I saw one of Trump's campaign people yesterday saying over and over that Trump doesn't see color at all.

 

That basically epitomizes how clueless Trump and his staff are. People are different. There is NO problem with "seeing color" and appreciating other peoples' cultures and differences. Most of the time when someone says they "don't see color," they're at the very least subconsciously racist or ignorant or have never been friends with someone who's not their own race. It's also something that very defensive people say. It's what people who are being accused of racism say because they hope it sounds good.

Part of that comment was focused on the fact that Hillary sees people of color as simply a vote and expects all blacks to continue to vote strongly Democratic despite data showing Democratic policies have made black lives worse.

And...Trump didn't give a crap about them until someone got it through his thick scull that he's getting his ass kicked. His new found love of blacks and Mexicans is pretty dang fake.

Hmm...his actions speak volumes. He has employed thousands of minorities and is talking about an issue most GOP candidates shy away from...the reality that black lives have gotten worse under Democratic policies.

Come on man......

 

I know some extremely racist people who employ minorities. Employing them doesn't mean squat.

 

And....I didn't say anything about disagreeing that Democratic policies have not done what they claimed they would. Obviously they have stunk.

Cmon man...do you really think Trump is racist after watching that video and seeing him interact with minorities througjout his whole life. I agree he has certainly said some dumb things to get attention, but you are starting to spew DNC talking points claiming he is a racist.

 

 

Come on man...

 

He and his father were sued TWICE in the 70s by the Justice Department for housing discrimination against minorities.

 

He took out full page ads in the New York Daily News on his own dime calling for the death penalty for the innocent Central Park Five, who all happened to be black.

 

He took it upon himself to take potshots at the first African American president as a Muslim and/or a Kenyan.

 

He "didn't know anything about David Duke" even though he'd given interviews disavowing him decades earlier, meaning he knew exactly who he was and what he was about.

 

And never apologized for any of it.

 

Pull your head out of the sand, man. Or are you going to double down that he's not at least using racism to his own benefit?

 

 

I'd add this to your list:

 

Next in the Trump record on race came a 1991 book by John O’Donnell, who had been president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City. O’Donnell quoted Trump saying, “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys wearing yarmulkes… Those are the only kind of people I want counting my money. Nobody else…Besides that, I tell you something else. I think that guy’s lazy. And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks.”

 

O’Donnell’s report was shocking, but Trump did not contest it at the time. In 1997 he was interviewed for Playboy by author Mark Bowden and he confirmed that the O’Donnell book was “probably true.”

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[zoogs]

Trump can't simply do whatever he wants and have every criticism of that be reduced to "opposition talking points."

 

It can be both that, and a fair criticism.

[BigRedBuster]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I saw one of Trump's campaign people yesterday saying over and over that Trump doesn't see color at all.

 

That basically epitomizes how clueless Trump and his staff are. People are different. There is NO problem with "seeing color" and appreciating other peoples' cultures and differences. Most of the time when someone says they "don't see color," they're at the very least subconsciously racist or ignorant or have never been friends with someone who's not their own race. It's also something that very defensive people say. It's what people who are being accused of racism say because they hope it sounds good.

Part of that comment was focused on the fact that Hillary sees people of color as simply a vote and expects all blacks to continue to vote strongly Democratic despite data showing Democratic policies have made black lives worse.

And...Trump didn't give a crap about them until someone got it through his thick scull that he's getting his ass kicked. His new found love of blacks and Mexicans is pretty dang fake.

Hmm...his actions speak volumes. He has employed thousands of minorities and is talking about an issue most GOP candidates shy away from...the reality that black lives have gotten worse under Democratic policies.

Come on man......

 

I know some extremely racist people who employ minorities. Employing them doesn't mean squat.

 

And....I didn't say anything about disagreeing that Democratic policies have not done what they claimed they would. Obviously they have stunk.

Cmon man...do you really think Trump is racist after watching that video and seeing him interact with minorities througjout his whole life. I agree he has certainly said some dumb things to get attention, but you are starting to spew DNC talking points claiming he is a racist.

 

 

Come on man...

 

He and his father were sued TWICE in the 70s by the Justice Department for housing discrimination against minorities.

 

He took out full page ads in the New York Daily News on his own dime calling for the death penalty for the innocent Central Park Five, who all happened to be black.

 

He took it upon himself to take potshots at the first African American president as a Muslim and/or a Kenyan.

 

He "didn't know anything about David Duke" even though he'd given interviews disavowing him decades earlier, meaning he knew exactly who he was and what he was about.

 

And never apologized for any of it.

 

Pull your head out of the sand, man. Or are you going to double down that he's not at least using racism to his own benefit?

 

 

I'd add this to your list:

 

Next in the Trump record on race came a 1991 book by John O’Donnell, who had been president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City. O’Donnell quoted Trump saying, “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys wearing yarmulkes… Those are the only kind of people I want counting my money. Nobody else…Besides that, I tell you something else. I think that guy’s lazy. And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks.”

 

O’Donnell’s report was shocking, but Trump did not contest it at the time. In 1997 he was interviewed for Playboy by author Mark Bowden and he confirmed that the O’Donnell book was “probably true.”

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Is there really anything more to question on this?

[HuskerNation1]

 

 

I totally get the argument that people are simply embarrassed to express support for Trump to pollsters. It's one of the speculated explanations for post-convention bumps -- that they don't reflect swing voters making up minds, but rather, people getting fired up and having more confidence responding a certain way to calls.

I don't know if voter behavior will translate one-to-one from the polling data. Or even their own preferences.

We'll have to wait and see. To stop Trump, his opponents need to go and and vote him down. I hope this will happen and the current forecast is optimistic, but I wouldn't let down my guard. Trump isn't just going to lose automatically because the polls say so. Assuming so could have dangerous effects.

This isn't a very normal election year.

There are several articles out discussing the Brexit vote and how pollsters were so wrong and missed thr undercurrent of support. They also show the parallels with Trump and how the US election plays out. Nate Silver who claims to be an expert in predictions was 100% wrong about Trump? Why? Because his "scientific" approach uses past election results to predict future outcomes. If the past poll and election results were so far off in predicting the primaries, I think its going to rely on these same polls to predict the November results.

He is an expert. The reason he was wrong is because it's probability.

 

Explain to me why you put scientific in quotes. Statistics results are 100% correct if the analysts know what they're doing and there's random sampling. But if they don't have enough/the right variables to predict an outcome then there will be a smaller chance of the prediction being correct. When a claim is used making statistics it's always based off a probability of the thing happening. Not a surety. If the prediction turns out to be wrong it doesn't necessarily mean there was anything wrong with the method. It was always a probability for the thing to happen. There's always a chance it doesn't.

 

 

The reason I put that term in quotes is that those on here that treat anything he says is like gospel is that they claim it's all scientifically done. I used to tutor stats in college and used empirical data and regression analysis in a handful of research studies, and there are many ways to slice and dice data in the name of it being scientific to come to a conclusion. I do appreciate that Silver is using past models to form his projections, but I think if anything is true about this 2016 race, it's that past elections are not representative of what we can expect to happen this time. Now perhaps Silver has incorporated the 2016 primaries and the increased turnout factor seen in the GOP primary into his predictions, and if so, that would be a good thing. There are also many behavioral factors that play into predicting how a person will vote based upon other questions you might ask them. I do think there is a "undercurrent" of Trump support that is not reflected in the polls. If its only 1 or 2% it would not make up the current difference in the average of polls. If it's more significant, then it could play a huge factor. The Brexit polls showed "remain" as in the lead and most likely to win on the election day, and the final two polls gave "remain" a 48 to 42% lead, yet the results were just the opposite. Now are Brexit and the US election apples to apples...no. But it does show that polling in 2016 is much harder to rely on that ever before.

[HuskerNation1]

 

 

 

 

 

 

I saw one of Trump's campaign people yesterday saying over and over that Trump doesn't see color at all.

 

That basically epitomizes how clueless Trump and his staff are. People are different. There is NO problem with "seeing color" and appreciating other peoples' cultures and differences. Most of the time when someone says they "don't see color," they're at the very least subconsciously racist or ignorant or have never been friends with someone who's not their own race. It's also something that very defensive people say. It's what people who are being accused of racism say because they hope it sounds good.

Part of that comment was focused on the fact that Hillary sees people of color as simply a vote and expects all blacks to continue to vote strongly Democratic despite data showing Democratic policies have made black lives worse.

And...Trump didn't give a crap about them until someone got it through his thick scull that he's getting his ass kicked. His new found love of blacks and Mexicans is pretty dang fake.

Hmm...his actions speak volumes. He has employed thousands of minorities and is talking about an issue most GOP candidates shy away from...the reality that black lives have gotten worse under Democratic policies.

Come on man......

 

I know some extremely racist people who employ minorities. Employing them doesn't mean squat.

 

And....I didn't say anything about disagreeing that Democratic policies have not done what they claimed they would. Obviously they have stunk.

Cmon man...do you really think Trump is racist after watching that video and seeing him interact with minorities througjout his whole life. I agree he has certainly said some dumb things to get attention, but you are starting to spew DNC talking points claiming he is a racist.

 

Pardon me for my very jaded pessimism in political processes.

It looks like a political campaign piece put together to convince everyone the guy isn't racist. Sorry, I'll take his history of problems that have been spelled out here along with crap he has said in the last 12 months and go with that.

 

 

So here are 10 examples of when Hillary Clinton demonstrated Racism including calling black males "super predators." Are you willing to state she is racist too based upon these facts? Here are just a few stories discussing her racism, including by left-leaning outfits like Huffington Post and Salon. And if you are wanting to go back to the middle of the 20th century, let's not forget that Hillary campaigned for Goldwater who was staunchly against the Civil Rights movement.

 

http://downtrend.com/71superb/top-ten-examples-of-hillary-clintons-racism-the-media-chooses-to-ignore

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-rucker/can-black-people-trust-hillary_b_9312004.html

 

http://www.salon.com/2016/05/19/off_the_reservation_4_times_hillary_clintons_racism_showed/

 

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/04/14/bernie_sanders_calls_out_hillary_clinton_for_racist_language.html

 

http://conservativecorporatism.blogspot.com/2016/02/proof-hillary-is-racist-against-people.html

[HuskerNation1]

If me calling him a racist is spewing DNC talking points, what is it called when you "spew" all the negative stuff about Hillary?

 

Or....you can just not answer that and we can leave those kinds of comments and accusations out of the conversation.

 

Sorry, the reason I said that is that Hillary is launching her own ad claiming Trump and his supporters are all racist and bigots. That in and of itself is a huge stereotype and is ridiculous. There are 2 reasons she is doing this now:

 

1. To try to deflect from all the negative attention about the Clinton Foundation in order to change the media narrative. It could work, we'll see.

 

2. Trump is making very direct and open attempts to minorities and focusing on the lack of results that the Democratic party has delivered for them. Say what you want about Trump, but he has a way of capturing people's attention, and I think the Democrats fear that if he keeps discussing issues affecting black Americans, it may not cause them to switch their allegiance but simply stay home on election day. And most importantly, he's right. Black lives have gotten worse under Obama and Democratic policies.

[HuskerNation1]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I saw one of Trump's campaign people yesterday saying over and over that Trump doesn't see color at all.

 

That basically epitomizes how clueless Trump and his staff are. People are different. There is NO problem with "seeing color" and appreciating other peoples' cultures and differences. Most of the time when someone says they "don't see color," they're at the very least subconsciously racist or ignorant or have never been friends with someone who's not their own race. It's also something that very defensive people say. It's what people who are being accused of racism say because they hope it sounds good.

Part of that comment was focused on the fact that Hillary sees people of color as simply a vote and expects all blacks to continue to vote strongly Democratic despite data showing Democratic policies have made black lives worse.

And...Trump didn't give a crap about them until someone got it through his thick scull that he's getting his ass kicked. His new found love of blacks and Mexicans is pretty dang fake.

Hmm...his actions speak volumes. He has employed thousands of minorities and is talking about an issue most GOP candidates shy away from...the reality that black lives have gotten worse under Democratic policies.

Come on man......

 

I know some extremely racist people who employ minorities. Employing them doesn't mean squat.

 

And....I didn't say anything about disagreeing that Democratic policies have not done what they claimed they would. Obviously they have stunk.

Cmon man...do you really think Trump is racist after watching that video and seeing him interact with minorities througjout his whole life. I agree he has certainly said some dumb things to get attention, but you are starting to spew DNC talking points claiming he is a racist.

 

Pardon me for my very jaded pessimism in political processes.

It looks like a political campaign piece put together to convince everyone the guy isn't racist. Sorry, I'll take his history of problems that have been spelled out here along with crap he has said in the last 12 months and go with that.

 

 

So here are 10 examples of when Hillary Clinton demonstrated Racism including calling black males "super predators." Are you willing to state she is racist too based upon these facts? Here are just a few stories discussing her racism, including by left-leaning outfits like Huffington Post and Salon. And if you are wanting to go back to the middle of the 20th century, let's not forget that Hillary campaigned for Goldwater who was staunchly against the Civil Rights movement.

 

http://downtrend.com/71superb/top-ten-examples-of-hillary-clintons-racism-the-media-chooses-to-ignore

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-rucker/can-black-people-trust-hillary_b_9312004.html

 

http://www.salon.com/2016/05/19/off_the_reservation_4_times_hillary_clintons_racism_showed/

 

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/04/14/bernie_sanders_calls_out_hillary_clinton_for_racist_language.html

 

http://conservativecorporatism.blogspot.com/2016/02/proof-hillary-is-racist-against-people.html

 

 

Oh, and let's not forget that Hillary delivered this message for Senator Byrd who is a known supporter of the KKK. Seriously, you can't make this stuff up. Hillary's campaign is launching an attack against Trump claiming he's racist and that his supporters are bigots, and just 6 years ago she sang the praises of a known racist in Byrd.

 

All I can say is that Hillary may be doing this for some short-term gain to distract from her Clinton Foundation servers, but she may regret it as Trump will punch back hard and point out all the racist statements she has made, and racist people she has supported over the years. In doing so, that may further cause blacks to stay home, and Hillary will not win if she does not have an enthusiastic black turnout.

 

[knapplc]

The Trump Election Team is a bit disorganized.


Trump makes Minnesota ballot at last minute

[mrandyk]

 

If me calling him a racist is spewing DNC talking points, what is it called when you "spew" all the negative stuff about Hillary?

 

Or....you can just not answer that and we can leave those kinds of comments and accusations out of the conversation.

 

Sorry, the reason I said that is that Hillary is launching her own ad claiming Trump and his supporters are all racist and bigots. That in and of itself is a huge stereotype and is ridiculous. There are 2 reasons she is doing this now:

 

1. To try to deflect from all the negative attention about the Clinton Foundation in order to change the media narrative. It could work, we'll see.

 

2. Trump is making very direct and open attempts to minorities and focusing on the lack of results that the Democratic party has delivered for them. Say what you want about Trump, but he has a way of capturing people's attention, and I think the Democrats fear that if he keeps discussing issues affecting black Americans, it may not cause them to switch their allegiance but simply stay home on election day. And most importantly, he's right. Black lives have gotten worse under Obama and Democratic policies.

 

Or you could just admit that Donald Trump is a big f'ing racist.

[Danny Bateman]

 

If me calling him a racist is spewing DNC talking points, what is it called when you "spew" all the negative stuff about Hillary?

 

Or....you can just not answer that and we can leave those kinds of comments and accusations out of the conversation.

 

Sorry, the reason I said that is that Hillary is launching her own ad claiming Trump and his supporters are all racist and bigots. That in and of itself is a huge stereotype and is ridiculous. There are 2 reasons she is doing this now:

 

1. To try to deflect from all the negative attention about the Clinton Foundation in order to change the media narrative. It could work, we'll see.

 

2. Trump is making very direct and open attempts to minorities and focusing on the lack of results that the Democratic party has delivered for them. Say what you want about Trump, but he has a way of capturing people's attention, and I think the Democrats fear that if he keeps discussing issues affecting black Americans, it may not cause them to switch their allegiance but simply stay home on election day. And most importantly, he's right. Black lives have gotten worse under Obama and Democratic policies.

 

 

Dude, that's not what that ad said. Not at all. Stop dealing in absolutes! Be you a Sith?

 

 

Even if we presuppose that Trump himself is not a racist, think about it this way:

 

Donald Trump: Not racist, but #1 with racists!

 

She wasn't saying that everyone that votes for Trump is in that group. But she was saying almost everyone in that group is voting for Trump. Why do you think they feel so damn comfy and at home in his camp?

 

Clinton has said some cringey stuff about race, with the Superpredators thing being probably the worst of it. But Trump can't and won't form clear, coherent reasons why A) Hillary Clinton is a racist (she's not) and B) why he'd be the better candidate for minority Americans. He just straight up calls her a bigot and accuses her of pandering. It's just intellectually lazy and entirely ham-fisted... kind of like his sudden "outreach" to them.

[Danny Bateman]

This is quite the little rhetorical trick he has here. This is exactly what he did during the David Duke interview.

http://www.nbcnews.com/card/trump-defends-adviser-who-called-hillary-clintons-execution-n638046?cid=sm_tw

 

 

Q: One of your good friends and one of your biggest supporters here in New Hampshire, state rep Al Baldasaro, he's here today. He said some controversial things over the last month or two about Hillary Clinton, suggesting she should be put in front of a firing squad for treason. What do you think about his comments? Do you condone them?

 

TRUMP: Well, I didn't know that but I will tell you he's a very fine person. He is a person that loves the military and he loves the veterans. He is a man that, as far as veterans and veterans affairs goes, I don't think anybody knows more than Al. He loves the veterans and what I really know about him is that nobody wants to take care of the veterans of this country, who have been treated horribly, more than Al. So that's what I do know.

Q: But you don't condone any comments?

TRUMP: I don't know what he said. You'd have to show me what he said.

[HuskerNation1]

 

 

If me calling him a racist is spewing DNC talking points, what is it called when you "spew" all the negative stuff about Hillary?

 

Or....you can just not answer that and we can leave those kinds of comments and accusations out of the conversation.

 

Sorry, the reason I said that is that Hillary is launching her own ad claiming Trump and his supporters are all racist and bigots. That in and of itself is a huge stereotype and is ridiculous. There are 2 reasons she is doing this now:

 

1. To try to deflect from all the negative attention about the Clinton Foundation in order to change the media narrative. It could work, we'll see.

 

2. Trump is making very direct and open attempts to minorities and focusing on the lack of results that the Democratic party has delivered for them. Say what you want about Trump, but he has a way of capturing people's attention, and I think the Democrats fear that if he keeps discussing issues affecting black Americans, it may not cause them to switch their allegiance but simply stay home on election day. And most importantly, he's right. Black lives have gotten worse under Obama and Democratic policies.

 

 

Dude, that's not what that ad said. Not at all. Stop dealing in absolutes! Be you a Sith?

 

 

Even if we presuppose that Trump himself is not a racist, think about it this way:

 

Donald Trump: Not racist, but #1 with racists!

 

She wasn't saying that everyone that votes for Trump is in that group. But she was saying almost everyone in that group is voting for Trump. Why do you think they feel so damn comfy and at home in his camp?

 

Clinton has said some cringey stuff about race, with the Superpredators thing being probably the worst of it. But Trump can't and won't form clear, coherent reasons why A) Hillary Clinton is a racist (she's not) and B) why he'd be the better candidate for minority Americans. He just straight up calls her a bigot and accuses her of pandering. It's just intellectually lazy and entirely ham-fisted... kind of like his sudden "outreach" to them.

 

 

What are you smoking. Her campaign has called him a racist and bigot long before this ad, and if you don't think this ad is implying he is racist, you have your blinders on. Second, yes, Clinton has said several racist things, and has not been the champion for Black America that she claims to be. She and her campaign are getting worried that a GOP candidate is finally talking directly to Black voters, and he plans to continue to do so by visiting inner cities in Detroit, Cleveland, and elsewhere. Finally, as I keep stating, Democratic policies are NOT helping blacks, and Trump will keep hammering that message home. Hillary cannot refute that, so she has to rely on the old racial warfare argument of calling her opponent a racist. That's a typical Democratic ploy.

[Danny Bateman]

 

 

 

If me calling him a racist is spewing DNC talking points, what is it called when you "spew" all the negative stuff about Hillary?

 

Or....you can just not answer that and we can leave those kinds of comments and accusations out of the conversation.

 

Sorry, the reason I said that is that Hillary is launching her own ad claiming Trump and his supporters are all racist and bigots. That in and of itself is a huge stereotype and is ridiculous. There are 2 reasons she is doing this now:

 

1. To try to deflect from all the negative attention about the Clinton Foundation in order to change the media narrative. It could work, we'll see.

 

2. Trump is making very direct and open attempts to minorities and focusing on the lack of results that the Democratic party has delivered for them. Say what you want about Trump, but he has a way of capturing people's attention, and I think the Democrats fear that if he keeps discussing issues affecting black Americans, it may not cause them to switch their allegiance but simply stay home on election day. And most importantly, he's right. Black lives have gotten worse under Obama and Democratic policies.

 

 

Dude, that's not what that ad said. Not at all. Stop dealing in absolutes! Be you a Sith?

 

 

Even if we presuppose that Trump himself is not a racist, think about it this way:

 

Donald Trump: Not racist, but #1 with racists!

 

She wasn't saying that everyone that votes for Trump is in that group. But she was saying almost everyone in that group is voting for Trump. Why do you think they feel so damn comfy and at home in his camp?

 

Clinton has said some cringey stuff about race, with the Superpredators thing being probably the worst of it. But Trump can't and won't form clear, coherent reasons why A) Hillary Clinton is a racist (she's not) and B) why he'd be the better candidate for minority Americans. He just straight up calls her a bigot and accuses her of pandering. It's just intellectually lazy and entirely ham-fisted... kind of like his sudden "outreach" to them.

 

 

What are you smoking. Her campaign has called him a racist and bigot long before this ad, and if you don't think this ad is implying he is racist, you have your blinders on. Second, yes, Clinton has said several racist things, and has not been the champion for Black America that she claims to be. She and her campaign are getting worried that a GOP candidate is finally talking directly to Black voters, and he plans to continue to do so by visiting inner cities in Detroit, Cleveland, and elsewhere. Finally, as I keep stating, Democratic policies are NOT helping blacks, and Trump will keep hammering that message home. Hillary cannot refute that, so she has to rely on the old racial warfare argument of calling her opponent a racist. That's a typical Democratic ploy.

 

 

1. ​Donald Trump is a racist. Yes/no?

2. Donald Trump uses racism for his own gain. Yes/no?

 

Go.

[HuskerNation1]

 

 

 

 

If me calling him a racist is spewing DNC talking points, what is it called when you "spew" all the negative stuff about Hillary?

 

Or....you can just not answer that and we can leave those kinds of comments and accusations out of the conversation.

 

Sorry, the reason I said that is that Hillary is launching her own ad claiming Trump and his supporters are all racist and bigots. That in and of itself is a huge stereotype and is ridiculous. There are 2 reasons she is doing this now:

 

1. To try to deflect from all the negative attention about the Clinton Foundation in order to change the media narrative. It could work, we'll see.

 

2. Trump is making very direct and open attempts to minorities and focusing on the lack of results that the Democratic party has delivered for them. Say what you want about Trump, but he has a way of capturing people's attention, and I think the Democrats fear that if he keeps discussing issues affecting black Americans, it may not cause them to switch their allegiance but simply stay home on election day. And most importantly, he's right. Black lives have gotten worse under Obama and Democratic policies.

 

 

Dude, that's not what that ad said. Not at all. Stop dealing in absolutes! Be you a Sith?

 

 

Even if we presuppose that Trump himself is not a racist, think about it this way:

 

Donald Trump: Not racist, but #1 with racists!

 

She wasn't saying that everyone that votes for Trump is in that group. But she was saying almost everyone in that group is voting for Trump. Why do you think they feel so damn comfy and at home in his camp?

 

Clinton has said some cringey stuff about race, with the Superpredators thing being probably the worst of it. But Trump can't and won't form clear, coherent reasons why A) Hillary Clinton is a racist (she's not) and B) why he'd be the better candidate for minority Americans. He just straight up calls her a bigot and accuses her of pandering. It's just intellectually lazy and entirely ham-fisted... kind of like his sudden "outreach" to them.

 

 

What are you smoking. Her campaign has called him a racist and bigot long before this ad, and if you don't think this ad is implying he is racist, you have your blinders on. Second, yes, Clinton has said several racist things, and has not been the champion for Black America that she claims to be. She and her campaign are getting worried that a GOP candidate is finally talking directly to Black voters, and he plans to continue to do so by visiting inner cities in Detroit, Cleveland, and elsewhere. Finally, as I keep stating, Democratic policies are NOT helping blacks, and Trump will keep hammering that message home. Hillary cannot refute that, so she has to rely on the old racial warfare argument of calling her opponent a racist. That's a typical Democratic ploy.

 

 

1. ​Donald Trump is a racist. Yes/no?

2. Donald Trump uses racism for his own gain. Yes/no?

 

Go.

 

 

1. No, I don't believe Donald Trump is racist. I believe he is an egomaniac that likes to say things to get attention, and did so regularly in the primary season.

 

2. I don't believe Trump is using racism for his own gain. The Democrats are the party of racial and class warfare, and always have been. And I do agree with Trump's assertion that BLM is a divisive group furthering the racial divide in this country.

 

Your turn:

 

1. Do you believe Hillary Clinton is racist? Yes/No

2. Do you believe Hillary Clinton uses racial warfare or plays the race card against her opponents to gain votes?

3. And I will throw in a third question for you. Do you believe Democratic policies, including in many inner cities that have been under Democratic leadership for decades, as well as under President Obama these past 7 years, have made Black Lives Better over the past 25 years?

[mrandyk]

 

 

 

 

 

If me calling him a racist is spewing DNC talking points, what is it called when you "spew" all the negative stuff about Hillary?

 

Or....you can just not answer that and we can leave those kinds of comments and accusations out of the conversation.

 

Sorry, the reason I said that is that Hillary is launching her own ad claiming Trump and his supporters are all racist and bigots. That in and of itself is a huge stereotype and is ridiculous. There are 2 reasons she is doing this now:

 

1. To try to deflect from all the negative attention about the Clinton Foundation in order to change the media narrative. It could work, we'll see.

 

2. Trump is making very direct and open attempts to minorities and focusing on the lack of results that the Democratic party has delivered for them. Say what you want about Trump, but he has a way of capturing people's attention, and I think the Democrats fear that if he keeps discussing issues affecting black Americans, it may not cause them to switch their allegiance but simply stay home on election day. And most importantly, he's right. Black lives have gotten worse under Obama and Democratic policies.

 

 

Dude, that's not what that ad said. Not at all. Stop dealing in absolutes! Be you a Sith?

 

 

Even if we presuppose that Trump himself is not a racist, think about it this way:

 

Donald Trump: Not racist, but #1 with racists!

 

She wasn't saying that everyone that votes for Trump is in that group. But she was saying almost everyone in that group is voting for Trump. Why do you think they feel so damn comfy and at home in his camp?

 

Clinton has said some cringey stuff about race, with the Superpredators thing being probably the worst of it. But Trump can't and won't form clear, coherent reasons why A) Hillary Clinton is a racist (she's not) and B) why he'd be the better candidate for minority Americans. He just straight up calls her a bigot and accuses her of pandering. It's just intellectually lazy and entirely ham-fisted... kind of like his sudden "outreach" to them.

 

 

What are you smoking. Her campaign has called him a racist and bigot long before this ad, and if you don't think this ad is implying he is racist, you have your blinders on. Second, yes, Clinton has said several racist things, and has not been the champion for Black America that she claims to be. She and her campaign are getting worried that a GOP candidate is finally talking directly to Black voters, and he plans to continue to do so by visiting inner cities in Detroit, Cleveland, and elsewhere. Finally, as I keep stating, Democratic policies are NOT helping blacks, and Trump will keep hammering that message home. Hillary cannot refute that, so she has to rely on the old racial warfare argument of calling her opponent a racist. That's a typical Democratic ploy.

 

 

1. ​Donald Trump is a racist. Yes/no?

2. Donald Trump uses racism for his own gain. Yes/no?

 

Go.

 

 

1. No, I don't believe Donald Trump is racist. I believe he is an egomaniac that likes to say things to get attention, and did so regularly in the primary season.

 

2. I don't believe Trump is using racism for his own gain. The Democrats are the party of racial and class warfare, and always have been. And I do agree with Trump's assertion that BLM is a divisive group furthering the racial divide in this country.

 

Your turn:

 

1. Do you believe Hillary Clinton is racist? Yes/No

2. Do you believe Hillary Clinton uses racial warfare or plays the race card against her opponents to gain votes?

3. And I will throw in a third question for you. Do you believe Democratic policies, including in many inner cities that have been under Democratic leadership for decades, as well as under President Obama these past 7 years, have made Black Lives Better over the past 25 years?

 

Really, I don't want to call myself a Democrat, but it's the masses of people holding your mindset that prevent me from taking the Republican party seriously. It's plain as day that Trump is a racist and entirely unfit to hold office at any level but you'll look for any way to defend him and his actions. You'll try to turn this into a discussion about Hillary but every single negative thing you say about her you'll be able to look at Trump on that same issue and see that he has topped her in an appalling manner....assuming you apply logic to the situation instead of looking at the letter next to their name.