Cases of Election Fraud

[Archy1221]

On 5/12/2022 at 6:02 AM, BigRedBuster said:

Does it seem like if we got rid of the GOP we wouldn’t have any election fraud?

 

 

Oh, now ballot harvesting is bad???  Who knew

[Archy1221]

20 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

 

I’m glad Ronald and others here are in favor of election integrity for a change.   Welcome to the club folks!!!!  Now if we can only figure out why people are stopping 20 ballots at election drop boxes.   

[RedDenver]

13 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

Oh, now ballot harvesting is bad???  Who knew

Ballot collecting (aka ballot harvesting) laws vary by state:

https://ballotpedia.org/Ballot_harvesting_(ballot_collection)_laws_by_state

 

And the linked story you replied to is more than just collecting the ballots:

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Though Lanzilotti maintained he was doing this as a “service to the voters” and intended to hand deliver the ballots once they arrived, many of the affected voters said they did not remember applying to vote by mail and had no idea why their ballots were going to Lanzilotti instead of directly to them. One said Lanzilotti had delivered his ballot back to the city once it had been filled out — which would violate state law.

 

[TGHusker]

Pretty bad when you are too radical for even Fox News.

 

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/dinesh-d-souza-just-made-an-enemy-out-of-fox-news/ar-AAXF5XB?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=2f4e2819d4e34a699c82a6b48c54053c

 

D Souza has been promoting his 2000 Mules movie which claims the Dems had over 2000 people ballot harvesting and dumping fraudulent  ballots into drop off boxes by the thousands.   The fact checkers disagree with the 'research' he has done - and rightly so.

 

https://www.npr.org/2022/05/17/1098787088/a-pro-trump-film-suggests-its-data-are-so-accurate-it-solved-a-murder-thats-fals

 

 

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Dinesh D'Souza has provoked controversy for decades. In 2007, D'Souza drew widespread criticism for writing that "the cultural left is responsible for causing 9/11," citing, among other things, liberal support for same-sex marriage. In 2014, D'Souza pleaded guilty to allegations that he made illegal contributions to a U.S. Senate campaign and was sentenced to five years' probation for committing campaign finance fraud. Trump gave D'Souza a presidential pardon in 2018.

For "2,000 Mules," D'Souza teamed up with True The Vote. The group's executive director, Catherine Engelbrecht, and one of its board members, Gregg Phillips, feature prominently in the film. They are also credited as executive producers.

After the 2020 presidential election, True The Vote said it purchased a trove of geolocation data obtained from electronic devices. Marketers often use that kind of data for targeted advertising, and privacy advocates have raised alarms about just how much information companies are collecting and selling.

True The Vote said it used the data to track the movements of people in key swing states around the time of the 2020 election. D'Souza, Engelbrecht and Phillips claim this location-tracking data show thousands of people making suspiciously large numbers of stops at mail-in vote dropboxes in the 2020 election. They allege those individuals, the "mules" of the title, were making multiple stops because they were actually stuffing the dropboxes with stacks of completed ballots - a practice that critics call "ballot harvesting."

 

The film also features video surveillance footage of some ballot dropboxes. But, as D'Souza himself has acknowledged, the film does not show any person on camera going to multiple dropboxes. So the film primarily relies on their claims about geotracking data, which D'Souza has argued are "more reliable than video footage."

Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensberger, a Republican, said his office had already examined one instance flagged by True The Vote, in which a man delivered multiple ballots to a dropbox. Raffensberger said they found no wrongdoing. "We investigated, and the five ballots that he turned in were all for himself and his family members," said Raffensperger.

Despite the criticisms, Trump has embraced "2,000 Mules." The former president even hosted a premiere event for the film at his Mar-a-Lago resort, featuring Republican politicians such as Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia, Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida, and Rep. Louie Gohmert of Texas. Breitbart reported that Trump called on the crowd to "do something" about the problems allegedly exposed in the film.

 

https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-covid-technology-health-arizona-e1b49d2311bf900f44fa5c6dac406762

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CLAIM: At least 2,000 “mules” were paid to illegally collect ballots and deliver them to drop boxes in key swing states ahead of the 2020 presidential election.

THE FACTS: True the Vote didn’t prove this. The finding is based on false assumptions about the precision of cellphone tracking data and the reasons that someone might drop off multiple ballots, according to experts.

“Ballot harvesting” is a pejorative term for dropping off completed ballots for people besides yourself. The practice is legal in several states but largely illegal in the states True the Vote focused on, with some exceptions for family, household members and people with disabilities.

True the Vote has said it found some 2,000 ballot harvesters by purchasing $2 million worth of anonymized cellphone geolocation data — the “pings” that track a person’s location based on app activity — in various swing counties across five states. Then, by drawing a virtual boundary around a county’s ballot drop boxes and various unnamed nonprofits, it identified cellphones that repeatedly went near both ahead of the 2020 election.

If a cellphone went near a drop box more than 10 times and a nonprofit more than five times from Oct. 1 to Election Day, True the Vote assumed its owner was a “mule” — its name for someone engaged in an illegal ballot collection scheme in cahoots with a nonprofit.

The group’s claims of a paid ballot harvesting scheme are supported in the film only by one unidentified whistleblower said to be from San Luis, Arizona, who said she saw people picking up what she “assumed” to be payments for ballot collection. The film contains no evidence of such payments in other states in 2020.

Plus, experts say cellphone location data, even at its most advanced, can only reliably track a smartphone within a few meters — not close enough to know whether someone actually dropped off a ballot or just walked or drove nearby.

“You could use cellular evidence to say this person was in that area, but to say they were at the ballot box, you’re stretching it a lot,” said Aaron Striegel, a professor of computer science and engineering at the University of Notre Dame. “There’s always a pretty healthy amount of uncertainty that comes with this.”

What’s more, ballot drop boxes are often intentionally placed in busy areas, such as college campuses, libraries, government buildings and apartment complexes — increasing the likelihood that innocent citizens got caught in the group’s dragnet, Striegel said.

Similarly, there are plenty of legitimate reasons why someone might be visiting both a nonprofit’s office and one of those busy areas. Delivery drivers, postal workers, cab drivers, poll workers and elected officials all have legitimate reasons to cross paths with numerous drop boxes or nonprofits in a given day.

True the Vote has said it filtered out people whose “pattern of life” before the election season included frequenting nonprofit and drop box locations. But that strategy wouldn’t filter out election workers who spend more time at drop boxes during the election season, cab drivers whose daily paths don’t follow a pattern, or people whose routines recently changed.

In some states, in an attempt to bolster its claims, True the Vote also highlighted drop box surveillance footage that showed voters depositing multiple ballots into the boxes. However, there was no way to tell whether those voters were the same people as the ones whose cellphones were anonymously tracked.

A video of a voter dropping off a stack of ballots at a drop box is not itself proof of any wrongdoing, since most states have legal exceptions that let people drop off ballots on behalf of family members and household members.

For example, Larry Campbell, a voter in Michigan who was not featured in the film, told The Associated Press he legally dropped off six ballots in a local drop box in 2020 — one for himself, his wife, and his four adult children. And in Georgia, Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger’s office investigated one of the surveillance videos circulated by True the Vote and said it found the man was dropping off ballots for himself and his family.

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CLAIM: In Philadelphia alone, True the Vote identified 1,155 “mules” who illegally collected and dropped off ballots for money.

THE FACTS: No, it didn’t. The group hasn’t offered any evidence of any sort of paid ballot harvesting scheme in Philadelphia. And True the Vote did not get surveillance footage of drop boxes in Philadelphia, so the group based this claim solely on cellphone location data, its researcher Gregg Phillips said in March in testimony to Pennsylvania state senators.

Pennsylvania state Sen. Sharif Street, who was there for the group’s testimony in March, told the AP he was confident he was counted as several of the group’s 1,155 anonymous “mules,” even though he didn’t deposit anything into a drop box in that time period.

Street said he based his assessment on the fact that he carries a cellphone, a watch with a cellular connection, a tablet with a cellular connection and a mobile hotspot — four devices whose locations can be tracked by private companies. He also said he typically travels with a staffer who carries two devices, bringing the total on his person to six.

During the 2020 election season, Street said, he brought those devices on trips to nonprofit offices and drop box rallies. He also drove by one drop box up to seven or eight times a day when traveling between his two political offices.

“I did no ballot stuffing, but over the course of time, I literally probably account for hundreds and hundreds of their unique visits, even though I’m a single actor in a single vehicle moving back and forth in my ordinary course of business,” Street said.

City election commission spokesman Nick Custodio said the allegations matched others that had been debunked or disproven after the 2020 election.

“The Trump campaign and others filed an unprecedented litany of cases challenging Philadelphia’s election with dubious and unsubstantiated allegations of fraud, all of which were quickly and resoundingly rejected by both state and federal courts,” Custodio said.

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CLAIM: Some of the “mules” True the Vote identified in Georgia were also geolocated at violent antifa riots in Atlanta in the summer of 2020, showing they were violent far left actors.

THE FACTS: Setting aside the fact that the film doesn’t prove these individuals were collecting ballots at all, it also can’t prove their political affiliations.

The anonymized data True the Vote tracked doesn’t explain why someone might have been present at a protest demanding justice for Black deaths at the hands of police officers. The individuals who were tracked there could have been violent rioters, but they also could have been peaceful protesters, police or firefighters responding to the protests, or business owners in the area.

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CLAIM: Alleged ballot harvesters were captured on surveillance video wearing gloves because they didn’t want to leave their fingerprints on the ballots.

THE FACTS: This is pure speculation. It ignores far more likely reasons for glove-wearing in the fall and winter of 2020 — cold weather or COVID-19.

True the Vote’s researcher claimed in the movie that voters in Georgia started wearing gloves to prevent their fingerprints from touching ballot envelopes after two women in Yuma, Arizona, were indicted on Dec. 23, 2020 for alleged ballot harvesting in that state’s primary election. But the Arizona indictment didn’t mention anything about fingerprints.

Voting in Georgia’s Jan. 5, 2021, Senate runoff election occurred during some of the coldest weeks of the year in the state, and when COVID-19 was surging.

In fact, the AP in 2020 documented multipleexamples of COVID-cautious voters wearing latex gloves and other personal protective equipment to vote.

In a similarly speculative allegation, the film claims its supposed “mules” took photographs of ballots before they dropped them into drop boxes in order to get paid. But across the U.S., voters frequently take photos of their ballot envelopes before submitting them.

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CLAIM: If it weren’t for this ballot collection scheme, former President Donald Trump would have had enough votes to win the 2020 election.

THE FACTS: This alleged scheme has not been proven, nor do these researchers have any way of knowing whether any ballots that were collected contained votes for Trump or for Biden.

There’s no evidence a massive ballot harvesting scheme dumped a large amount of votes for one candidate into drop boxes, and if there were, it would likely be caught quickly, according to Derek Muller, a law professor at the University of Iowa.

“Once you get just a few people involved, people start to reveal the scheme because it unravels pretty quickly,” he said.

Absentee ballots are also verified by signature and tracked closely, often with an option for voters themselves to see where their ballot is at any given time. That process safeguards against anyone who tries to illegally cast extra ballots, according to Barry Burden, a University of Wisconsin-Madison political science professor and the director of the Elections Research Project.

“It seems impossible in that system for a nefarious actor to dump lots of ballots that were never requested by voters and were never issued by election officials,” Burden said.

 

 

 

[BigRedBuster]

4 hours ago, Archy1221 said:

I’m glad Ronald and others here are in favor of election integrity for a change.   Welcome to the club folks!!!!  Now if we can only figure out why people are stopping 20 ballots at election drop boxes.   

LOL...wouldn't it be nice if Republicans would stop commiting election fraud?

[Archy1221]

52 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

LOL...wouldn't it be nice if Republicans would stop commiting election fraud?

Yep, along with people being on tape with putting up to 20 ballots in a box at a time then coming back a day later to do the same thing.   

[TGHusker]

What do you call someone who spends $30million to 'prove' his cult leader was stripped of his election win. 

 

LIZ Cheney answers that question in the tweet below.   LUNATIC  

 

https://www.mediaite.com/print/my-pillows-mike-lindell-claims-to-have-sunk-more-than-30-million-investigating-2020-election/

 

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My Pillow founder Mike Lindell is so convinced the 2020 presidential election was fraudulent he spent a massive $30 million “investigating” it, he said in a new interview.

 

Lindell appeared at former President Donald Trump’s rally in Casper, Wyoming over the weekend and held nothing back when speaking to Cowboy State Daily, even calling those in the state who believe the election results were legitimate “traitors.”

“Wyoming had 20-some thousand votes stole in the president election. That’s almost 10 percent of your home (total cast) votes in Wyoming. Everything was taken,” Lindell said.

Also revealed in the piece is the fact that Lindell says he spent a whopping $30 million on his 2020 investigations. He said the result of his eight-figure expenditure is that he has “more information than anyone in the world” on the election. Part of these investigations were shown in the 2021 film Absolute Proof, in which the pillow maker claimed that ballot machines were used to rig the election in President Joe Biden’s favor. There has been no official proof of the sort of widespread voter fraud Lindell repeatedly refers to.

Lindell has also been sued by Dominion, which is behind the many of the voting tabulation machines from 2020, for $1.3 billion for defamation over his allegations.

“It was all done through the machines, we have all the evidence. We sat outside (watching) for guys, we watched it all,” he said. Lindell is currently backing preliminary injunctions in states demanding votes be counted by hand.

 

 

[suh_fan93]

No way.  

 

 

[TGHusker]

1 hour ago, suh_fan93 said:

No way.  

 

 

Push me over with a feather.    ...  Why am I not surprised?

[BigRedBuster]

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

12 hours ago, suh_fan93 said:

No way.  

 

 

The destruction of American democracy at the hands of an intellectually stunted bloated cheeto is pretty funny.

 

Bravo to the Republican voters who voted for this guy twice. I truly hope what you've managed to do with this country - all for the sake of tax cuts for the wealthy and getting SCOTUS to dismantle social progress to the 1950s - was worth it.

[suh_fan93]

 

[commando]

there is massive election fraud...... i believe they called it "stop the steal" and the ringleader is TFG

[suh_fan93]

 

[TGHusker]

31 minutes ago, suh_fan93 said:

 

Yes, let him out of his cage so he can stir up more trouble.  The judge saw that coming from 20 miles away. Sooner he gets to court and behind bars the better.