This loss vs. Wisconsin is on Langsdorf...

[cm husker]

 

 

 

 

Guys, when a pass is called the qb isnt being told where to go. That last play to Morgan had more than one option. Now, this is where the gap is between folks who know football more than others. And this isnt a bad thing. Just the way it is. Langs called a set of routes. He didnt call for the ball to be thrown to that particular route. That decision is on the qb. And you know what. It was the right decision. Morgan beat his guy. Now, if tommy makes the throw over the outside shoulder away from the defender were talking about a win today. But he droped late, a tad inside and allowed the defender to get there. This may seem like a hard throw, but its one of those throws that any qb-even Tommy himself- will tell you has to be routine.

This exactly. That last play should have been a touchdown pass. Tommy is not consistent on throws he should be consistent on. If Tommy throws that last ball to the outside that was a touchdown play plain and simple. Execution on that one.

All of this. That is the problem. Tommy is not. It's not Tommy's fault; he's a great talent, but not in the system Langdorf wants to run. Tommy shouldn't be passing 27 times a game (31 last night). His passing percentage for his career is just over 50%. The more he throws, the more opportunities are squandered because half of those plays are incomplete (or even worse, intercepted). I've seen Tommy throw a lot of passes like the last pass in OT last night. It is what he is. Calling all those pass plays earlier in the game is what got that game to the point where the Huskers needed OT for a chance at victory. That is on Langsdorf.

We have to throw sometimes. We also ran the ball 44 times last night which is almost 60%. Gotta have some Balance. Also we lead the league in yards per pass attempt so we don't squander that much by passing the ball, in fact we usually get good yardage. I agree we should be doing more to get Tommy easier throws, but at a point, your quarterback just has to throw the ball to the right spot, especially on a pass like the last play. If Tommy drops it over the outside shoulder, something I could do pretty consistently as a very average high school QB, that's a touchdown. Gotta put a little bit of the blame on the execution there

 

Hard to believe how many uncle ricos we have around here.

[Nebfanatic]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If this loss is on Langsdorf then the wins are on him too, right?I mean... yeah, there are a lot of things we can second-guess him for tonight. Rolling Tommy out was the first thing I thought of, too. But he's gotten it to work seven times already this year. Damned near got it to work this week.

I think so, yes. To a large degree.

 

I think he cost us several games last year by insisting on throwing waaaay too much. I gave him a lot of credit in the Oregon-Northwestern-Illinois stretch for getting TA a lot of easy throws and sticking with a run-heavy game plan.

 

However, the last three games he's kind of reverted back towards last year. The easy throws have become far less frequesnt - though they did reappear late tonight. And he's done a better job sticking with the run but the last three games he's stuck in a right-up-the-middle rut. Against Purdue 80% of Newby's carries were right up the middle. It wasn't quite as bad tonight but still way too much. You have to do that some to keep the defense honest but it should be 70% outside, 30% inside, not the other way around. Especially with a back that's as good in space as Newby.

Agree with the bolded. The first 5 games, Langs really exploited the defenses. The past 3, not so much. We can talk about injuries to the OL, Carter, etc all day long, but the end of the day he is the OC and has to find a way to counter aggressive defenses. He seems to have reverted back to his old ways. Running to say we run with no play setting up another, passing to TA's weaknesses and ignoring what was working....

What happens when he doesn't have the Jimmys and the Joes to do that? I'm watching FSU and Cook just scored on an outside run. Except it was called inside zone and he bounced it. We don't have that guy right now. Haven't since Ameer.

If this is true....and "we don't have that guy right now"......that's on Riley.

How do you figure?

Because Riley is in his second season and his business card shows his title as Head Football Coach.

 

When was the last time we didn't have a "difference maker" at running back?

We don't have a Dalvin Cook on our roster. Most of our roster is Pelini recruits. Therefore it's Pelinis "fault" we don't have that kind of talent on our roster buy really it's no one's fault because there are only so many players of that caliber out there and sometimes you just don't get them. We have competent and talented backs, but we do not have one of the best players in the nation in our backfield and I am not blaming anyone for that

Riley seems to be doing pretty well with "Pelini's recruits", wouldn't you say?

 

Now, with that said, when was the last time we were not absolutely stacked at running back?.........stacked enough that backs like A Green left to seek PT elsewhere because there was more than one NFL caliber back ahead of him.......

 

In this day and age of college football, freshman "difference makers" are brought in frequently......A Abdullah and our very own #15 are previous examples of that.

all of this may be true but you are blaming not having a player on Riley when the players are pelini recruits. I honestly don't understand your angle. We have good running backs, no one of Dalvin Cooks talent but that's ok. He is a 5 star recruits and the #2 back coming out of high school and Nebraska hasn't had a recruit like that in a long time. No one's fault, and we are deep at running back so it's not a problem. We ran well last night despite the perception. Wisconsins run defense is no joke

 

Abdullah was not a freshman difference maker, please get your facts straight

[Huskerlad]

This is on Langsdorf. He simply doesn't understand how to use the talent he has at Nebraska and continues to try to force it to fit into his box of offensive play calling. This season the Huskers have managed to win 7, not because of Langsdorf, but in spite of him.

 

If you look back at any of the Huskers' games this season, I'd love someone to point to one where Langsdorf had an effective game plan that was at least efficient through four quarters. They have struggled against inferior talent but managed to play well enough in the 4th quarter to win games. The final score of many Husker games this season make it look as though the offense is competent, but we've all watched the games and if you are honest you will admit how bad the offense has looked this season. (And no...you can't count the victory over the Ducks; Nebraska scored 10 fewer points than their defense is giving up per game this season).

 

Oh, and I love the attitude that Langsdorf must know what he's doing, he has a job as an FBS offensive coordinator and I don't. Well, that's true, but offensive coordinators (who don't have their best buddy protecting their jobs) get fired all the time for incompetence. Perhaps he was at his best as a position coach. He certainly hasn't done anything to prove that he deserves the position he occupies at Nebraska.

[Nebfanatic]

 

 

 

 

 

Guys, when a pass is called the qb isnt being told where to go. That last play to Morgan had more than one option. Now, this is where the gap is between folks who know football more than others. And this isnt a bad thing. Just the way it is. Langs called a set of routes. He didnt call for the ball to be thrown to that particular route. That decision is on the qb. And you know what. It was the right decision. Morgan beat his guy. Now, if tommy makes the throw over the outside shoulder away from the defender were talking about a win today. But he droped late, a tad inside and allowed the defender to get there. This may seem like a hard throw, but its one of those throws that any qb-even Tommy himself- will tell you has to be routine.

This exactly. That last play should have been a touchdown pass. Tommy is not consistent on throws he should be consistent on. If Tommy throws that last ball to the outside that was a touchdown play plain and simple. Execution on that one.

All of this. That is the problem. Tommy is not. It's not Tommy's fault; he's a great talent, but not in the system Langdorf wants to run. Tommy shouldn't be passing 27 times a game (31 last night). His passing percentage for his career is just over 50%. The more he throws, the more opportunities are squandered because half of those plays are incomplete (or even worse, intercepted). I've seen Tommy throw a lot of passes like the last pass in OT last night. It is what he is. Calling all those pass plays earlier in the game is what got that game to the point where the Huskers needed OT for a chance at victory. That is on Langsdorf.

We have to throw sometimes. We also ran the ball 44 times last night which is almost 60%. Gotta have some Balance. Also we lead the league in yards per pass attempt so we don't squander that much by passing the ball, in fact we usually get good yardage. I agree we should be doing more to get Tommy easier throws, but at a point, your quarterback just has to throw the ball to the right spot, especially on a pass like the last play. If Tommy drops it over the outside shoulder, something I could do pretty consistently as a very average high school QB, that's a touchdown. Gotta put a little bit of the blame on the execution there

Hard to believe how many uncle ricos we have around here.

It's not that hard to throw the outside shoulder man, really

 

The corner was beat but the safety got to the ball because Tommy left it to the inside. Kind of a "lazy" throw in a sense seeing Morgan beat the corner and thought he could just flick it out to him instead of throwing it to the outside so Morgan could shield the ball with his body. Just didn't make the right kind of throw there. I don't think Tommy is a bad player but that situation just isn't his strength and we could have won the game had the ball been thrown a little differently

[Landlord]

This season the Huskers have managed to win 7, not because of Langsdorf, but in spite of him.

 

 

Please. All you can ask your coordinators to accomplish for the team in games against great teams is to give you the advantage. Since we outscored and outgained Wisconsin's average defensive numbers, Langsdorf did that.

 

 

 

Can you name a Nebraska offensive coordinator you thought was good at his job? Besides Tom Osborne?

[Huskerlad]

Well said!

[cm husker]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Guys, when a pass is called the qb isnt being told where to go. That last play to Morgan had more than one option. Now, this is where the gap is between folks who know football more than others. And this isnt a bad thing. Just the way it is. Langs called a set of routes. He didnt call for the ball to be thrown to that particular route. That decision is on the qb. And you know what. It was the right decision. Morgan beat his guy. Now, if tommy makes the throw over the outside shoulder away from the defender were talking about a win today. But he droped late, a tad inside and allowed the defender to get there. This may seem like a hard throw, but its one of those throws that any qb-even Tommy himself- will tell you has to be routine.

This exactly. That last play should have been a touchdown pass. Tommy is not consistent on throws he should be consistent on. If Tommy throws that last ball to the outside that was a touchdown play plain and simple. Execution on that one.

All of this. That is the problem. Tommy is not. It's not Tommy's fault; he's a great talent, but not in the system Langdorf wants to run. Tommy shouldn't be passing 27 times a game (31 last night). His passing percentage for his career is just over 50%. The more he throws, the more opportunities are squandered because half of those plays are incomplete (or even worse, intercepted). I've seen Tommy throw a lot of passes like the last pass in OT last night. It is what he is. Calling all those pass plays earlier in the game is what got that game to the point where the Huskers needed OT for a chance at victory. That is on Langsdorf.

We have to throw sometimes. We also ran the ball 44 times last night which is almost 60%. Gotta have some Balance. Also we lead the league in yards per pass attempt so we don't squander that much by passing the ball, in fact we usually get good yardage. I agree we should be doing more to get Tommy easier throws, but at a point, your quarterback just has to throw the ball to the right spot, especially on a pass like the last play. If Tommy drops it over the outside shoulder, something I could do pretty consistently as a very average high school QB, that's a touchdown. Gotta put a little bit of the blame on the execution there

Hard to believe how many uncle ricos we have around here.

It's not that hard to throw the outside shoulder man, really

And yet time after time in this game by whisky QBs and games around CFB, QBs fail to make the perfect throws.

 

and again, if Morgan plays the ball better he catches it or draws pass interference.

[Nebfanatic]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Guys, when a pass is called the qb isnt being told where to go. That last play to Morgan had more than one option. Now, this is where the gap is between folks who know football more than others. And this isnt a bad thing. Just the way it is. Langs called a set of routes. He didnt call for the ball to be thrown to that particular route. That decision is on the qb. And you know what. It was the right decision. Morgan beat his guy. Now, if tommy makes the throw over the outside shoulder away from the defender were talking about a win today. But he droped late, a tad inside and allowed the defender to get there. This may seem like a hard throw, but its one of those throws that any qb-even Tommy himself- will tell you has to be routine.

This exactly. That last play should have been a touchdown pass. Tommy is not consistent on throws he should be consistent on. If Tommy throws that last ball to the outside that was a touchdown play plain and simple. Execution on that one.

All of this. That is the problem. Tommy is not. It's not Tommy's fault; he's a great talent, but not in the system Langdorf wants to run. Tommy shouldn't be passing 27 times a game (31 last night). His passing percentage for his career is just over 50%. The more he throws, the more opportunities are squandered because half of those plays are incomplete (or even worse, intercepted). I've seen Tommy throw a lot of passes like the last pass in OT last night. It is what he is. Calling all those pass plays earlier in the game is what got that game to the point where the Huskers needed OT for a chance at victory. That is on Langsdorf.

We have to throw sometimes. We also ran the ball 44 times last night which is almost 60%. Gotta have some Balance. Also we lead the league in yards per pass attempt so we don't squander that much by passing the ball, in fact we usually get good yardage. I agree we should be doing more to get Tommy easier throws, but at a point, your quarterback just has to throw the ball to the right spot, especially on a pass like the last play. If Tommy drops it over the outside shoulder, something I could do pretty consistently as a very average high school QB, that's a touchdown. Gotta put a little bit of the blame on the execution there

Hard to believe how many uncle ricos we have around here.

It's not that hard to throw the outside shoulder man, really

And yet time after time in this game by whisky QBs and games around CFB, QBs fail to make the perfect throws.

 

and again, if Morgan plays the ball better he catches it or draws pass interference.

I edited my post after watching the play again. But I will say I think it would have been a TD if Hornibrook had thrown it. It was honestly a pretty easy throw and I think Tommy may have just missed the safety the way he threw it

[Moiraine]

Going into the game, I thought Tommy needed to have 15 rush attempts for NU to win the game. The offense needed him running the ball. Against Wisky, he had 13, including one sack. They didn't have Tommy run at all in the OT. Tommy is the best runner on the team, yet he wasn't used as a runner in the biggest moment of the game. That is on the OC.

 

I don't blame Langsdorf for the loss.

 

That said, I was yelling at the TV through Nebraska's entire OT possession to run it with Armstrong.

[SouthLincoln Husker]

I have no problem with the pass in the end zone if it was 2nd or 3rd down. We needed a short pass in there to make 4th down easier to get. Lately it appears as if we have Frank at OC, Run-Run-Pass. What happened to mixing up the plays?

[Mavric]

Like I said earlier, I think a lot of this has to do with the type of plays being called. Langs was doing a great job of managing TA early in the year - giving him easy throws. He's largely gone away from that the last three games.

 

[Count 'Bility]

Like I said earlier, I think a lot of this has to do with the type of plays being called. Langs was doing a great job of managing TA early in the year - giving him easy throws. He's largely gone away from that the last three games.

 

https://twitter.com/danhoppen/status/792737178040225792

and why is that? I think hes still banged up. Ladt night ge had the one throw where he fell down cuz ge obviously had a tweek in his foot. Now his back is feeling some pain. This is the problem with the coveted running quarterback that folks started to flip on again after the oregon win. When hes not healthy enough to run effectively, whats your contingency? RPOs arent clicking cuz theres no complexity and the run isnt a legit threat. Theres was another play last night on a 3rd and short where Tommy scrambled and looked to have 5-7 yards easy but he looked so slow and the defense closed and he then ran laterally and barely got it. Im tellin ya guys. I thinks hes hurtin worse than we want to admit. And its affectin throwing mechanics as well.

[Saunders]

Like I said earlier, I think a lot of this has to do with the type of plays being called. Langs was doing a great job of managing TA early in the year - giving him easy throws. He's largely gone away from that the last three games.

 

I think alot of that has to do with the OL. They've been getting worked. It's easier to call plays when you're capable of getting a push and running the ball.

[Elf]

 

I agree, BUT it did not help that their backup running back ran all over us and westerkamp got tackled in OT

Agreed. That non-call on the pick was something the B1G HQ should weigh in on.

 

But frankly, if we had an OC that actually called plays in a strategic, cohesive manner, and it didn't look like he pinned his playbook to a dartboard in the coaching booth, this game would have been 10+ in our favor in the 4th.

 

If you read Huskerchalktalk you'd see that Langsdorf does call plays in a strategic, cohesive manner.

[AFhusker]

 

Like I said earlier, I think a lot of this has to do with the type of plays being called. Langs was doing a great job of managing TA early in the year - giving him easy throws. He's largely gone away from that the last three games.

 

https://twitter.com/danhoppen/status/792737178040225792

and why is that? I think hes still banged up. Ladt night ge had the one throw where he fell down cuz ge obviously had a tweek in his foot. Now his back is feeling some pain. This is the problem with the coveted running quarterback that folks started to flip on again after the oregon win. When hes not healthy enough to run effectively, whats your contingency? RPOs arent clicking cuz theres no complexity and the run isnt a legit threat. Theres was another play last night on a 3rd and short where Tommy scrambled and looked to have 5-7 yards easy but he looked so slow and the defense closed and he then ran laterally and barely got it. Im tellin ya guys. I thinks hes hurtin worse than we want to admit. And its affectin throwing mechanics as well.

 

Playing with injuries doesn't help, but his mechanics particularly his footwork have always been terrible. It is why he's an inaccurate as he is. If he could have learned proper footwork he would be dangerous in the passing game. His footwork is why we don't throw bubble screens very often, if at all because he never has his feet set and they are either going to go into the ground or flutter where an DB has a chance to pick it off.