StPaulHusker Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 Is Riley's recruiting process/organization better? I would say 'yes'. But the end results so far under Riley have been pretty much the same that we saw under Bo. And one could argue that Bo brought in higher level talent (more 4*s) than what Riley has done. 2017 #23 / 5 4*s / 20 commits 2016 #24 / 5 4*s / 21 commits 2015 #30 / 4 4*s / 21 commits (transition class) 2014 #36 / 2 4*s / 25 commits 2013 #22 / 7 4*s / 24 commits 2012 #31 / 8 4*s / 17 commits 2011 #16 / 9 4*s / 21 commits 2010 #27 / 5 4*s / 20 commits With that said, hopefully it changes this year and we get that breakthrough top 10-15 class. 2018 MR- 89.5 (so far)2017 MR- 87.5 2016 MR- 87 2015 MR- 86.1 2014 Bo - 84.7 avg 2013 Bo- 86.5 2012 Bo- 87.7 2011 Bo- 88.3 2010 Bo- 78 (lol) Pretty laughable that you tried to use Team Ranking, when you basically have no control over who other teams get to get in front of you and it bases it off of how many recruits you land. Besides that, MR proving he can get better and better, while Bo fell off a cliff. Now, will you please stay off my lawn? Here you go Mav. Didn't go run and hide anywhere. That's basically the same info I just posted - actually posted months ago. Thanks though. So Riley's two full classes have averaged .8707 and .8758. Bo's full classes ranged from .8580 to .8832. Bo has more classes to this point. Some of his classes have been better than Riley's, some have been worse. Riley has been right in the same range where Bo was. Can you admit Mikes are on the up and up and Bo's fell off a cliff? Can you admit they've been pretty much the same so far? No. if we are competing in any "higher score wins" sport and I score 87.3 and you score 87, who wins? Mavric is saying "pretty much." Which yes, they are at this point in Riley's career at Nebraska. Quote Link to comment
MyBloodIsRed16 Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 I think if you look at how both coaches came to the program that should say something about their recruiting prowess. Bo came as the former DC of a national championship team in the SEC. Mike Riley came as a middle of the pack coach from Oregon St. I would venture to say that BO got a few recruits who figured he could duplicate what happend at LSU. Mike Riley doesn't really have that going for him and I think he has done a good job of getting the right type of players to commit and a lot of others to pay attention to nebraksa again. The key for mike is this year is putting up some numbers on offense. They need one of these receivers and RBs to have a breakout year so recruits can see success. I think the defensive side will continue to bring in solid recruits especially after Bookie commits 2 Quote Link to comment
Nebfanatic Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 Mike Riley has recruited very slightly better thus far imo. Very very slightly and the only reason I say so is I think the ceiling is higher and Nebraska's brand is now growing among recruits more so than in the past. Thus far the results have been the same as Bo on a good year(not his best year) but I think Riley has the potential to out recruit Bo by a fair margin by the end of his time here. I was one to say the recruiting is flat out better, but I will concede the results aren't much different thus far in a sense. Quote Link to comment
ScottyIce Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 HCMR and Staff are going to fill half of this class with players rated at or above 90. You can BOOKIE that. Quote Link to comment
Mavric Posted April 14, 2017 Author Share Posted April 14, 2017 First, I'm a big fan of Mike Riley and I think he is a better recruiter than Bo. But the numbers you post here don't seem to support that. In fact, I'd always thought Callahan was a better recruiter than Bo. But really there's not much of a difference between the three. I don't know what to make of that. : One thing about Bo, he was better at filling gaps with JUCOs. He pulled in quite a few highly ranked JUCOs who became key players on his teams. That strategy worked especially well for Bo since he seemed very reluctant to let freshmen or even sophomores on the field. Riley and staff aren't going after JUCOs the way Bo did. But Riley seems more willing to let underclassmen see more action earlier. So there's that. I don't think there's much question that Riley's staff will end up being better, especially with the recent hires. But it definitely hasn't been the huge jump people predicted up to this point. JUCOs have probably been the biggest short-coming of Riley's staff. As you mentioned, Bo had good success filling in a couple here and there. Riley really needed to add a JUCO OT one of the last two years and a JUCO WR wouldn't hurt at this point. Though I don't think it's accurate to say Riley has been playing more underclassmen. He really hasn't played any more than Bo - possibly less. Quote Link to comment
Mavric Posted April 14, 2017 Author Share Posted April 14, 2017 Is Riley's recruiting process/organization better? I would say 'yes'. But the end results so far under Riley have been pretty much the same that we saw under Bo. And one could argue that Bo brought in higher level talent (more 4*s) than what Riley has done. 2017 #23 / 5 4*s / 20 commits 2016 #24 / 5 4*s / 21 commits 2015 #30 / 4 4*s / 21 commits (transition class) 2014 #36 / 2 4*s / 25 commits 2013 #22 / 7 4*s / 24 commits 2012 #31 / 8 4*s / 17 commits 2011 #16 / 9 4*s / 21 commits 2010 #27 / 5 4*s / 20 commits With that said, hopefully it changes this year and we get that breakthrough top 10-15 class. 2018 MR- 89.5 (so far)2017 MR- 87.5 2016 MR- 87 2015 MR- 86.1 2014 Bo - 84.7 avg 2013 Bo- 86.5 2012 Bo- 87.7 2011 Bo- 88.3 2010 Bo- 78 (lol) Pretty laughable that you tried to use Team Ranking, when you basically have no control over who other teams get to get in front of you and it bases it off of how many recruits you land. Besides that, MR proving he can get better and better, while Bo fell off a cliff. Now, will you please stay off my lawn? Here you go Mav. Didn't go run and hide anywhere. That's basically the same info I just posted - actually posted months ago. Thanks though. So Riley's two full classes have averaged .8707 and .8758. Bo's full classes ranged from .8580 to .8832. Bo has more classes to this point. Some of his classes have been better than Riley's, some have been worse. Riley has been right in the same range where Bo was. Can you admit Mikes are on the up and up and Bo's fell off a cliff? Can you admit they've been pretty much the same so far? No. if we are competing in any "higher score wins" sport and I score 87.3 and you score 87, who wins? The part where you have to quibble about three thousandths of a point and call that difference laughable should tell you something. But probably doesn't. Quote Link to comment
ScottyIce Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 Is Riley's recruiting process/organization better? I would say 'yes'. But the end results so far under Riley have been pretty much the same that we saw under Bo. And one could argue that Bo brought in higher level talent (more 4*s) than what Riley has done. 2017 #23 / 5 4*s / 20 commits 2016 #24 / 5 4*s / 21 commits 2015 #30 / 4 4*s / 21 commits (transition class) 2014 #36 / 2 4*s / 25 commits 2013 #22 / 7 4*s / 24 commits 2012 #31 / 8 4*s / 17 commits 2011 #16 / 9 4*s / 21 commits 2010 #27 / 5 4*s / 20 commits With that said, hopefully it changes this year and we get that breakthrough top 10-15 class. 2018 MR- 89.5 (so far)2017 MR- 87.5 2016 MR- 87 2015 MR- 86.1 2014 Bo - 84.7 avg 2013 Bo- 86.5 2012 Bo- 87.7 2011 Bo- 88.3 2010 Bo- 78 (lol) Pretty laughable that you tried to use Team Ranking, when you basically have no control over who other teams get to get in front of you and it bases it off of how many recruits you land. Besides that, MR proving he can get better and better, while Bo fell off a cliff. Now, will you please stay off my lawn? Here you go Mav. Didn't go run and hide anywhere. That's basically the same info I just posted - actually posted months ago. Thanks though. So Riley's two full classes have averaged .8707 and .8758. Bo's full classes ranged from .8580 to .8832. Bo has more classes to this point. Some of his classes have been better than Riley's, some have been worse. Riley has been right in the same range where Bo was. Can you admit Mikes are on the up and up and Bo's fell off a cliff? Can you admit they've been pretty much the same so far? No. if we are competing in any "higher score wins" sport and I score 87.3 and you score 87, who wins? The part where you have to quibble about three thousandths of a point and call that difference laughable should tell you something. But probably doesn't. Mav, have you ever been wrong before? Fine, I'll let you be right, for your sanity and pride. I MattyIce, have come to the conclusion that their is absolutely no mathematical difference between 87.3 and 87.0 Quote Link to comment
Mavric Posted April 14, 2017 Author Share Posted April 14, 2017 Is Riley's recruiting process/organization better? I would say 'yes'. But the end results so far under Riley have been pretty much the same that we saw under Bo. And one could argue that Bo brought in higher level talent (more 4*s) than what Riley has done. 2017 #23 / 5 4*s / 20 commits 2016 #24 / 5 4*s / 21 commits 2015 #30 / 4 4*s / 21 commits (transition class) 2014 #36 / 2 4*s / 25 commits 2013 #22 / 7 4*s / 24 commits 2012 #31 / 8 4*s / 17 commits 2011 #16 / 9 4*s / 21 commits 2010 #27 / 5 4*s / 20 commits With that said, hopefully it changes this year and we get that breakthrough top 10-15 class. 2018 MR- 89.5 (so far)2017 MR- 87.5 2016 MR- 87 2015 MR- 86.1 2014 Bo - 84.7 avg 2013 Bo- 86.5 2012 Bo- 87.7 2011 Bo- 88.3 2010 Bo- 78 (lol) Pretty laughable that you tried to use Team Ranking, when you basically have no control over who other teams get to get in front of you and it bases it off of how many recruits you land. Besides that, MR proving he can get better and better, while Bo fell off a cliff. Now, will you please stay off my lawn? Here you go Mav. Didn't go run and hide anywhere. That's basically the same info I just posted - actually posted months ago. Thanks though. So Riley's two full classes have averaged .8707 and .8758. Bo's full classes ranged from .8580 to .8832. Bo has more classes to this point. Some of his classes have been better than Riley's, some have been worse. Riley has been right in the same range where Bo was. Can you admit Mikes are on the up and up and Bo's fell off a cliff? Can you admit they've been pretty much the same so far? No. if we are competing in any "higher score wins" sport and I score 87.3 and you score 87, who wins? The part where you have to quibble about three thousandths of a point and call that difference laughable should tell you something. But probably doesn't. Mav, have you ever been wrong before? Fine, I'll let you be right, for your sanity and pride. I MattyIce, have come to the conclusion that their is absolutely no mathematical difference between 87.3 and 87.0 Yes, I note that often on this board. But someone complaining about someone else never seeming to want to be wrong then looking down their nose at them and scoffing at their sanity and pride seems a bit hypocritical. Not to mention strawmen. 1 Quote Link to comment
ScottyIce Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 Is Riley's recruiting process/organization better? I would say 'yes'. But the end results so far under Riley have been pretty much the same that we saw under Bo. And one could argue that Bo brought in higher level talent (more 4*s) than what Riley has done. 2017 #23 / 5 4*s / 20 commits 2016 #24 / 5 4*s / 21 commits 2015 #30 / 4 4*s / 21 commits (transition class) 2014 #36 / 2 4*s / 25 commits 2013 #22 / 7 4*s / 24 commits 2012 #31 / 8 4*s / 17 commits 2011 #16 / 9 4*s / 21 commits 2010 #27 / 5 4*s / 20 commits With that said, hopefully it changes this year and we get that breakthrough top 10-15 class. 2018 MR- 89.5 (so far)2017 MR- 87.5 2016 MR- 87 2015 MR- 86.1 2014 Bo - 84.7 avg 2013 Bo- 86.5 2012 Bo- 87.7 2011 Bo- 88.3 2010 Bo- 78 (lol) Pretty laughable that you tried to use Team Ranking, when you basically have no control over who other teams get to get in front of you and it bases it off of how many recruits you land. Besides that, MR proving he can get better and better, while Bo fell off a cliff. Now, will you please stay off my lawn? Here you go Mav. Didn't go run and hide anywhere. That's basically the same info I just posted - actually posted months ago. Thanks though. So Riley's two full classes have averaged .8707 and .8758. Bo's full classes ranged from .8580 to .8832. Bo has more classes to this point. Some of his classes have been better than Riley's, some have been worse. Riley has been right in the same range where Bo was. Can you admit Mikes are on the up and up and Bo's fell off a cliff? Can you admit they've been pretty much the same so far? No. if we are competing in any "higher score wins" sport and I score 87.3 and you score 87, who wins? The part where you have to quibble about three thousandths of a point and call that difference laughable should tell you something. But probably doesn't. Mav, have you ever been wrong before? Fine, I'll let you be right, for your sanity and pride. I MattyIce, have come to the conclusion that their is absolutely no mathematical difference between 87.3 and 87.0 Yes, I note that often on this board. But someone complaining about someone else never seeming to want to be wrong then looking down their nose at them and scoffing at their sanity and pride seems a bit hypocritical. Not to mention strawmen. Now it's not enough for me to admit you were right and I was wrong!? Quote Link to comment
HuskerzFanatik Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 In reality Riley has a two season sample size compared to Bo's. I think we will have a pretty good idea if Riley has the recruiting aspect trending in an upward path after a couple more years have passed. I will honestly say I feel more confident in this staff then the last, but only time will tell. Quote Link to comment
Warrior10 Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 HCMR and Staff are going to fill half of this class with players rated at or above 90. You can BOOKIE that. Do you actually mean this? Quote Link to comment
Stumpy1 Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 One way to tell if you are recruiting good is if other teams are complaining about it. Riley has teams on the west coast plus teams in the Midwest on their heels and asking WTF has happened. Can't say I ever seen that with Bo. 2 Quote Link to comment
ScottyIce Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 HCMR and Staff are going to fill half of this class with players rated at or above 90. You can BOOKIE that. Do you actually mean this? Yes, basically says 8/16 or 9/18 in class are 4 stars. We're already going to have 4 by end of this weekend it sounds like. Quote Link to comment
StPaulHusker Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 HCMR and Staff are going to fill half of this class with players rated at or above 90. You can BOOKIE that. Do you actually mean this? Yes, basically says 8/16 or 9/18 in class are 4 stars. We're already going to have 4 by end of this weekend it sounds like. We are at 50% right now so the projection is there Quote Link to comment
Mavric Posted April 14, 2017 Author Share Posted April 14, 2017 Is Riley's recruiting process/organization better? I would say 'yes'. But the end results so far under Riley have been pretty much the same that we saw under Bo. And one could argue that Bo brought in higher level talent (more 4*s) than what Riley has done. 2017 #23 / 5 4*s / 20 commits 2016 #24 / 5 4*s / 21 commits 2015 #30 / 4 4*s / 21 commits (transition class) 2014 #36 / 2 4*s / 25 commits 2013 #22 / 7 4*s / 24 commits 2012 #31 / 8 4*s / 17 commits 2011 #16 / 9 4*s / 21 commits 2010 #27 / 5 4*s / 20 commits With that said, hopefully it changes this year and we get that breakthrough top 10-15 class. 2018 MR- 89.5 (so far)2017 MR- 87.5 2016 MR- 87 2015 MR- 86.1 2014 Bo - 84.7 avg 2013 Bo- 86.5 2012 Bo- 87.7 2011 Bo- 88.3 2010 Bo- 78 (lol) Pretty laughable that you tried to use Team Ranking, when you basically have no control over who other teams get to get in front of you and it bases it off of how many recruits you land. Besides that, MR proving he can get better and better, while Bo fell off a cliff. Now, will you please stay off my lawn? Here you go Mav. Didn't go run and hide anywhere. That's basically the same info I just posted - actually posted months ago. Thanks though. So Riley's two full classes have averaged .8707 and .8758. Bo's full classes ranged from .8580 to .8832. Bo has more classes to this point. Some of his classes have been better than Riley's, some have been worse. Riley has been right in the same range where Bo was. Can you admit Mikes are on the up and up and Bo's fell off a cliff? Can you admit they've been pretty much the same so far? No. if we are competing in any "higher score wins" sport and I score 87.3 and you score 87, who wins? The part where you have to quibble about three thousandths of a point and call that difference laughable should tell you something. But probably doesn't. Mav, have you ever been wrong before? Fine, I'll let you be right, for your sanity and pride. I MattyIce, have come to the conclusion that their is absolutely no mathematical difference between 87.3 and 87.0 Yes, I note that often on this board. But someone complaining about someone else never seeming to want to be wrong then looking down their nose at them and scoffing at their sanity and pride seems a bit hypocritical. Not to mention strawmen. Now it's not enough for me to admit you were right and I was wrong!? At the risk of continuing to beat my head against the wall...... No, that's not what you did. You sat on your high horse and made a grandiose display of "agreeing" with something that not only is not correct but also nothing like what I was saying. Thus the strawman comment. 1 Quote Link to comment
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